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EA defends SecuROM DRM
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 15 September, 2008
EA has publicly defended its use of the crippling SecuROM DRM used in games like "Mass Effect" and more notably, Spore saying that it is necessary to prevent piracy.
Last week we reported that Amazon users were systematically rating the game Spore 1-star (out of 5) with most users blaming the low rating on the DRM and not the actual gameplay.
The DRM only allows the game to be installed ... [ read the full article ]
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windsong
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15. September 2008 @ 20:16 |
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Word on the street is that EA eventually plans to bring this type of DRM to consoles. Nothing says PROFIT like destroying the second hand market for console games..
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b18bek9
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15. September 2008 @ 20:48 |
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i say let them put whatever kinda drm on their products i just wont purchase them. if they dont get the hint dont buy there products and let profit sales drop and watch them blame piracy on lack of sales like the music/movie industry...its funny to me
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15. September 2008 @ 21:18 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Word on the street is that EA eventually plans to bring this type of DRM to consoles. Nothing says PROFIT like destroying the second hand market for console games..
That's a bunch of bull, do you really think they're gonna institute something like this on consoles? Of course not, consoles don't suffer from the type of piracy that PC gaming does. The consoles already have ruthless defenses against piracy, just look at Sony's PS3, it hasn't been cracked yet. And it probably won't in many many years to come if ever. As new generations of consoles release, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo learn from their mistakes from previous consoles and know how to counter it with new technologies.
As long as the console gaming business is thriving and doing as well as it is right now, I don't think they plan on looking at DRM as a solution to the MINOR piracy that happens on consoles, which if used it would probably backfire and hurt them more than it would help them when it comes down to consoles. So I think this piracy epidemic is more of a PC problem. And no, the people doing the little firmware hacks on the 360 aren't nearly a problem as the PC pirates. Enough people aren't mentally capable and or aware with how to go through all the troubles of connecting a 360 to a computer..yada yada yada booting in a special mode etc. Unlike PC pirated games where you just download, install and copy a crack to a folder. So don't expect any DRM on consoles, it aint gonna happen!
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15. September 2008 @ 23:57 |
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So don't expect any DRM on consoles, it aint gonna happen!
You have no idea, Xbox360 Soft-Modable/Hardmodable, WII HardMod/EthernetMod,
PS3-Execution of Unsigned Code already has been made Possible. 20/80 gig models have already run .Elf handles With no problems. the only reason i can see Why they halted development to allow modification is for 2 reasons. Why would i mod it in the first place, not like im going to be playing my backups on it 300 dollar burner, and 25/50 dollar blank media, with only a handful of decent games. the other reason is the lack of alternative storage media cant put the whole MGS
Blue-ray game on the initial HDD.
No DRM on Consoles, PS1 had a multiable types of drm. I/O mismatch Checking algorithm's, Libcrypt, and region codes
PS2 had I/O mismatch Checking algorithm's CSS, MagicGate Region coding.
Xbox360 Has I/O mismatch Checking algorithm's, and CSS,Region coding, and my favorite for this console is the Internal Automated Log System, which logs any Low level device Change, when a Low level Api or Device is changed your Xbox sends out your console number and the function altered, which you may or may not be banned for.
The PS3 Contains the drm AACS,BD-ROM Mark, Region coding,
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16. September 2008 @ 00:37 |
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3 instals should be plnety for you people. Granted, computers crash every now and again but how likely is that to happen with such frequency that you will have used up all of your alotted instalations and have to ask for more? And this excuse about having more than one computer? That's pretty lame. Just play it on the one computer that you use more often and get over it. I will admit that the one profile limit is pretty rediculous but other than that, I think you all are just a bunch of whiney babies who If I were a software company wouldn't want you as customers anyway if this petty crap ticks you off this much. You're so frustrated about not being able to re-instal this and or future games(you don't even own yet)5 thousand times that you're willing to boycott them all together or download the games and risk the health of your computer? That's awfuly sad to me. If this were an issue where this drm affected your PC's performance like that stuff Sony added to their music CD's years ago that really messed up people's PC's then i could see making such an issue out of it. However, I hear no rational point being made other then the one about the 1 profile restriction that I feel is even worth EA's time to bother listening to or take into consideration. All this paranoia you display with these "what if sernarios" are nothing more than justifications for ripping them and others off. If that's ultimately what you want to do then do it and quit griping to them about it. Download it, re-instal it thousands of times or hoever often your computer "crashes", do whatever it takes. Just make sure you are able to keep that game for the rest of your life and when you die maybe it can be burried with you as well. Was that a bit overboard? Well step back and think how absurd you all sound with this protest over a game half you probably don't even own and from looks of it, will never "own" all becuase of some minor ssfaeguards which I don't think are that much of an inconvenience. This is my one and only message on this topic. Respond in what ever fashion you wish. I really coouldn't care less. I'm in the minority and that's perfectly ok with me.
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16. September 2008 @ 01:19 |
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Pretty dumb DRM and hopefully they lose a lot of money, so they wont try that stupid crap again. If you buy a game, you shouldnt have to worry about being limited to a certain number of installs. Especially with the amount of viruses and spyware on the web today. I do a complete reboot every couple of months just so my computer runs smoother. Let alone if you have multiple computers, and multiple children who would like to play.
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16. September 2008 @ 01:29 |
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Booooo!!!!
EA can go %$%$%#$%$##$%$#$%##$% off a cliff.
Besides there games suck anyways.
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16. September 2008 @ 03:21 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Word on the street is that EA eventually plans to bring this type of DRM to consoles. Nothing says PROFIT like destroying the second hand market for console games..
at least a few are not blinded by the "fear" tactic of the word piracy or "terrorism".
@ fgamer
Open your eyes its not about piracy its about raping the consumers. This DRM does little to stop piracy.
The CEO of EA wants us all to "pay-to-play" in the future. You can learn all about his plans to force us all into cash cow pens and release bare bones games where you must pay for the usual content that completes the game as "extras":
E3 perspective: An interview with John Riccitiello, CEO of Electronic Arts Originally posted by John Riccitiello EA CEO:
JR: There is a longer-term transition from a disk-based model for retail sales to an ?average revenue per user? model.
Of course, spying on customer computers is essential to pull this off!
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16. September 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
That's a bunch of bull, do you really think they're gonna institute something like this on consoles?
what are you kidding me.. xbox 360 is probably the most pirated console out right now.. they cracked it long ago.. im sure alot of people have cracked xbox's and play burned games seeing how it still uses old dvd DL technology.. i know the ps2 all it needed was swap magic and your playing.. and if anyone knows who i am.. we have dnas ids to bypass internet play..
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16. September 2008 @ 09:27 |
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I know it is unpopular to say here, but I did buy spore. Yeah I probably should have held off. But I have been such a fan of Will Wright (except Sims) I hoped for brilliance. Oh well it is fun but not brilliant.
Now on the DRM, it does bother me tremendously, I have a 60 gig HD on my laptop and unfortunately I install and remove games very very often, at the whim of the moment. Three installs will not be enough for me, I am not looking forward to that phone call to EA.
Hopefully they release a patch within the next year that removes the DRM otherwise, I will be downloading the torrent to play my purchased game.
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16. September 2008 @ 12:07 |
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Originally posted by japhy:
Hopefully they release a patch within the next year that removes the DRM otherwise, I will be downloading the torrent to play my purchased game.
all you need is the .exe fix (crack) that bypasses Sony's SecuROM drm.
you can obtain it from gamecopyworld.com or megagames.com or mostly all bittorrent tracker url's and obviously newsgroups & eDonkey2k, well pretty much everywhere since before the release so who is EA's malware actually hurting?
just don't dl it from limewire or kazaa as those places are filled with malware and virus, curtsey of the media industry.
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16. September 2008 @ 12:26 |
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I was thinking to purchase games I actually like and maybe Spore would have been one...but then if EA wants to screw money from me with DRM not only I will not buy it or download the crack but get a pirated copy instead!
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16. September 2008 @ 12:34 |
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They can defend it all the way to bankruptcy court.
People I know who never cared about the game are downloading it just to hurt them for doing this stupid thing.
Though I'm the law-abiding type, I can't say I blame them.
In the evolution away from dead business models, EA is creationism. Your entitled to your faith and your opinion, but not a dead business model. Sorry.
That alone merits their isolation and destruction.
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16. September 2008 @ 13:10 |
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What good does it do to EA to have a DRM cripple in Spore. Considering it was cracked and available four days before the retail release, the DRM didn't do much good.
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16. September 2008 @ 13:17 |
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"Sughayer also says that their research shows that three installations is more than enough for the average customer, who will only ever install their game once"
i think this is uter bs. i for one would be worried if people installed my game only once. Games that I install only once are usualy the once i wish i never had bought and those which i play alot i have installed +20 times. Atleast my windows computers get really slow with in a year so i try to reinstall windows atleast once a year. Few times i didnt even make the trial time of windows vista before i had to reinstall it (120 days). With sp1 and other patches they seem to get it quite a good shape but still... one nasty virus and most ppl want to format their whole drive.
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16. September 2008 @ 13:26 |
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Microsoft's discouragement of Xbox 360 modding to get around this kind of garbage is mostly based on never being able to use Xbox Live again.
Basically, they're counting on people caring about Xbox Live, which is a stretch, and on people not being able to afford a second console.
Lastly, they don't think anyone will find a way around the Live detection scheme.
They still don't seem to know someone did that long ago.
So, again all adding this crap to consoles does is drive people to crack their schemes and lose them Live customers. Good news for any competitor smart enough NOT to allow it on their systems.
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16. September 2008 @ 13:39 |
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Does anyone know if AnyDvd bypasses the "screw-rom" DRM? Just curious. If so, just wait until people try to sell the unsable copies, and purchase theirs. If not, screw EA.
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windsong
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16. September 2008 @ 13:53 |
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That's a bunch of bull, do you really think they're gonna institute something like this on consoles? Of course not, consoles don't suffer from the type of piracy that PC gaming does.
Lulz!! Yeah, you keep telling yourself that "it aint..gonna..happen". Piracy is just as rampant. They would be fools to bring it just to the PC and not to consoles since there is a killing of profits to be made. If EA had the balls to do a 3 install limit, nothing is stopping them from bringing it to consoles if they so wish.
As for your comments re: PS3..I cant honestly think of even THREE games that make that pathetic system worth buying. Cracked or not..piracy is not their concern..its the second hand market they are after..which has nothing to do with piracy.
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16. September 2008 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by sgriesch:
Does anyone know if AnyDvd bypasses the "screw-rom" DRM? Just curious. If so, just wait until people try to sell the unsable copies, and purchase theirs. If not, screw EA.
It does not in the copying sense.
However, the folks who make it have another product that might, to an extent I won't mention here.
Basically, anything the industry has come up with, Sly wizards have made their b*yotch. You hit a "problem," tell them and they'll start working on it. Turnaround time is usually about a week. If there is any product on the market worth paying for, in my humble opinion, the Fox made it.
Added: (I should probably add that another demonic tool would be required, as it has been before with SecuROM.)
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16. September 2008 @ 14:13 |
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I have reinstalled "The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion" at least 5 times in several months. Twice due to reinstall of XP and the others due to other problems.
I use an image of my disk to get by the "you must insert the disk to play".
If this was an EA game I would probably already be in jail for my legal purchase.
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16. September 2008 @ 16:12 |
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Get used to it. EVERYTHING will be pay per view or play...that is the goal. All formats. The sheep FAR outnumber the people who frequent Afterdawn and other tech sites. I can see the blocking of video out cards in the future...for if ya can see it, ya can capture it. Only the tech elite and pirates have a ghost of a chance. The rest will be blissfully uncaring as they PAY for each game play, song, or vid.
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17. September 2008 @ 11:44 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Word on the street is that EA eventually plans to bring this type of DRM to consoles. Nothing says PROFIT like destroying the second hand market for console games..
That's a bunch of bull, do you really think they're gonna institute something like this on consoles? Of course not, consoles don't suffer from the type of piracy that PC gaming does. The consoles already have ruthless defenses against piracy, just look at Sony's PS3, it hasn't been cracked yet. And it probably won't in many many years to come if ever. As new generations of consoles release, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo learn from their mistakes from previous consoles and know how to counter it with new technologies.
As long as the console gaming business is thriving and doing as well as it is right now, I don't think they plan on looking at DRM as a solution to the MINOR piracy that happens on consoles, which if used it would probably backfire and hurt them more than it would help them when it comes down to consoles. So I think this piracy epidemic is more of a PC problem. And no, the people doing the little firmware hacks on the 360 aren't nearly a problem as the PC pirates. Enough people aren't mentally capable and or aware with how to go through all the troubles of connecting a 360 to a computer..yada yada yada booting in a special mode etc. Unlike PC pirated games where you just download, install and copy a crack to a folder. So don't expect any DRM on consoles, it aint gonna happen!
Wow talk about out of touch the PC market is he lesser amrket they are testing the waters as so they can put a lock on new games and damage the 2nd hand market.
Look at warhawk its he first game to sue a account system, it will not be long before a game is locked to a console.
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17. September 2008 @ 12:50 |
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If this DRM goes to consoles and the used game market is done away with, I'll be saying goodbye to video games. I have enough already now to entertain myself. I just won't bother anymore for anything new and pursue other avenues of entertainment. I'm 31 and I've been playing video games for 20 years now. I love them to death, but my playing habits have changed with adulthood/fatherhood and I am more fascinated with the technology and art than anything. So I don't play long hours trying to beat high scores. I guess I'm more of a gaming enthusiast, but a little more than a casual gamer.
If it weren't for my parents getting me an Atari and NES, then I probably wouldn't have every picked up the habit. If the industry wants to survive, then they need parents who are enthusiastic about gaming to pass on the enthusiasm to their kids. The industry has built a huge following and fan base in the past 20+ years. Not only will the video game industry lose me, but possibly my 3 boys, who I will expose to other avenues of entertainment besides video games (yes EA, kids can do other things). Instead of feeding into the hype over the latest Ratchet and Clank, I'll get them excited about something else. And if they are having a hard time thinking of something else due to peer pressure, then they are probably old enough for me to explain to them my views on how the Industry completely turned on their customers and how gaming was destroyed by greed. And if they still don't buy into my principles, then they will have to save their allowance for a new $500+ system and subscription to whatever service and the game rentals and downloadable content. The gaming business model is becoming too complicated and it's straying so far away from the model that I know and grew to love, that I don't even care to continue keeping up anymore.
The difference between my parents and myself is that there wasn't anything to compare to back then. You bought a system for $100+ and you bought your kids a cartridge once in a while, new or used in a bargain bin - end of story. Today, as a parent, I'm experiencing similar obstacles in raising my kids in a see-saw economy, but I've had more exposure to the evolution of the industry than they could ever have possibly imagined in the 80's. And I hope to pass that along to my children.
In the end, I agree with the majority of the commenters in this thread who believe that this would be the nail in the coffin for the industry.
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17. September 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Originally posted by emugamer:
If this DRM goes to consoles and the used game market is done away with, I'll be saying goodbye to video games. I have enough already now to entertain myself. I just won't bother anymore for anything new and pursue other avenues of entertainment. I'm 31 and I've been playing video games for 20 years now. I love them to death, but my playing habits have changed with adulthood/fatherhood and I am more fascinated with the technology and art than anything. So I don't play long hours trying to beat high scores. I guess I'm more of a gaming enthusiast, but a little more than a casual gamer.
If it weren't for my parents getting me an Atari and NES, then I probably wouldn't have every picked up the habit. If the industry wants to survive, then they need parents who are enthusiastic about gaming to pass on the enthusiasm to their kids. The industry has built a huge following and fan base in the past 20+ years. Not only will the video game industry lose me, but possibly my 3 boys, who I will expose to other avenues of entertainment besides video games (yes EA, kids can do other things). Instead of feeding into the hype over the latest Ratchet and Clank, I'll get them excited about something else. And if they are having a hard time thinking of something else due to peer pressure, then they are probably old enough for me to explain to them my views on how the Industry completely turned on their customers and how gaming was destroyed by greed. And if they still don't buy into my principles, then they will have to save their allowance for a new $500+ system and subscription to whatever service and the game rentals and downloadable content. The gaming business model is becoming too complicated and it's straying so far away from the model that I know and grew to love, that I don't even care to continue keeping up anymore.
The difference between my parents and myself is that there wasn't anything to compare to back then. You bought a system for $100+ and you bought your kids a cartridge once in a while, new or used in a bargain bin - end of story. Today, as a parent, I'm experiencing similar obstacles in raising my kids in a see-saw economy, but I've had more exposure to the evolution of the industry than they could ever have possibly imagined in the 80's. And I hope to pass that along to my children.
In the end, I agree with the majority of the commenters in this thread who believe that this would be the nail in the coffin for the industry.
We are 8 years into videogames moving away from enthusiasts to the mindless masses and the content of the games like hollywood has gone done. I have halved my spending habits on gaming because new games suck are are 30$ over priced. I am just not hot for new games much anymore as they are raped for the lowest common denominator who don;t care about balance,fun and quality in a product they are in it for short term lulz.
With the amrket money markets slowing things are going to get worse and if things keep going in this direction gaming will collapse in 5 years because they can not maintain the cost of shiny.
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17. September 2008 @ 12:59 |
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We can see where this is all going.. with ZERO resale value comments like this (stolen from a not particularly techie site) become more painful to read.
Originally posted by Raven:
So did anyone end up getting it? What are your opinions? For anyone who hasn't got it, would you recommend?
A lot of people I know who have got the game seem to express the same thing... good to begin with but then easily got bored.
I did get it, after some debate, and I think I'm experiencing the same feeling. First few parts are interesting but I lose interest after finishing the Tribe stage. Although saying that, the creator is quite fun with all those parts to experiment with creatures/buildings/vehicles etc.
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