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EA increases activations for 'Spore' owners
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article published on 19 September, 2008
Mounting pressure and harsh reviews on Amazon have seemed to finally get through to EA who has announced that all Spore owners will have 5 activations now for their game, compared to the 3 users are currently allowed.
Frank Gibeau, EA Games Label president, made a statement this morning in which he said, "We've received complaints from a lot of customers who we recognize and respect. ... [ read the full article ]
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19. September 2008 @ 17:47 |
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Being able to deauthorize a machine would be nice. At least that may help some of the multiple installation problems.
However, DRM is still DRM and regardless of how many more activations they allow it won't prevent piracy, like they "intend" it too.
The only proof needed of this is in the fact that this game was pirated, successfully, 4 days before its official release. DRM is nothing more than a waste of money and a great way to piss off your customers.
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Bluevoid
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19. September 2008 @ 17:51 |
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Seriously, I was going to buy this game. My girlfriend was actually excited about it too. As soon as I heard about the DRM, I told her we weren't going to buy it. Unfortunately I am one of those many people that reformats their hard drive often. As I would love to be a legitment company, this just isnt possible for me. My gaming dollars will not go towards a limited product. I still have my original copy of Final Fantasy for the NES, and my copy of WarCraftII. These are games that I pickup and play every coulple years. I would rather avoid getting attached to a game I would have to rebuy. After seeing this whole thing, it kinda makes me not want to buy their console games either. It makes me think that the EA brand is "dirty" now.
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19. September 2008 @ 17:54 |
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
Being able to deauthorize a machine would be nice. At least that may help some of the multiple installation problems.
However, DRM is still DRM and regardless of how many more activations they allow it won't prevent piracy, like they "intend" it too.
The only proof needed of this is in the fact that this game was pirated, successfully, 4 days before its official release. DRM is nothing more than a waste of money and a great way to piss off your customers.
well said, save for that De-authorize machine part. there already telling me how to use there game i purchased, dont want them to tell me how to use my machine.
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19. September 2008 @ 17:58 |
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They ARE already telling you how you can use your machine... a new hdd or graphics card or network card and probably any bit of new network hardware will trigger a reactivation scenario.
It's endemic.. The developers of Crysis: Warhead (Crytek) should really re-evaluate who publishes their games. It's been noted that once again, EA has placed install limits on the latest FPS from Crytek in addition to the much protested SecuROM.
Spyware gone mad.. along with fista you won't be able to eat at your keyboard soon..... unless it is an "approved" snack prepared in an "approved" way.
I saw somebody saying in one of the other threads (or maybe on this topic on another site) how they would be happier with Starforce drm... hahaha.. swap invasive spyware for IDE emulation which can cause real physical damage to your hardware.. nice one !
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19. September 2008 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
They ARE already telling you how you can use your machine... a new hdd or graphics card or network card and probably any bit of new network hardware will trigger a reactivation scenario.
It's endemic.. The developers of Crysis: Warhead (Crytek) should really re-evaluate who publishes their games. It's been noted that once again, EA has placed install limits on the latest FPS from Crytek in addition to the much protested SecuROM.
Spyware gone mad.. along with fista you won't be able to eat at your keyboard soon..... unless it is an "approved" snack prepared in an "approved" way.
I saw somebody saying in one of the other threads (or maybe on this topic on another site) how they would be happier with Starforce drm... hahaha.. swap invasive spyware for IDE emulation which can cause real physical damage to your hardware.. nice one !
Starforce, Has ceased Hasn't it?
Every 5 years i Do a major upgrade MB and all. im not exactly the High End User, but i do upgrade components when necessary about every 2 years.
Wanna know something funny im using a 7 year old SoundBlaster EMU and it will destroy most sound cards to date. New never means better, Just more toys.
BTT\ Still label it what you want EA, Install limits, remote activation, unSecurom, DRM Had a boom in the late 90-02, but its a dinosaur thats about to get struck my the asteroid.
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19. September 2008 @ 20:43 |
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BS had the revoke tool to get your tokens back, of course this was after begging and whining for it, why dose this DRM think its bad to revoke the fcking install?
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19. September 2008 @ 21:36 |
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The are kidding themselves is they think DRM is helping them in any monetary way. This probably hurt their sales by 50% or more.
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19. September 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Trying to reason with EA, or any DRM using company for that matter, is a waste of time. So long as their product is within an acceptable revenue range, they could really care less what you think.
It's enjoyable for an hour or so, maybe 2, but that's it. I wouldn't pay more than $19.99 for it, creature creator included. Anything more is a rip-off, in my irrelevant opinion.
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19. September 2008 @ 23:58 |
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20. September 2008 @ 01:13 |
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Hummm.... lemme think, oh yeah i play WOW & i know you have to pay monthly but there isnt much of a DRM scheme! I just use the disks & enter my user acct that is tied to my reg key from the disk & i can play! I have installed it on 3 computers i cant play more than 1 @ a time, i don't see how this cant work? install with the cd key & create a user acct the 1st time that locks your cd key to you! whats the big deal? then u only need to access the internet 1st install, i have Sins Od a Solar system & they have the same kind of thing! I think i can install it how ever many times but no updates on an install that isn't registered! Or what about my Guild Wars! no monthly fee & i have installed it on 2 comps with no issues just have cd key tied to user acct!
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20. September 2008 @ 03:07 |
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No....
EPIC FAIL.
Play again, EA?
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20. September 2008 @ 03:14 |
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Originally posted by ripxrush:
Hummm.... lemme think, oh yeah i play WOW & i know you have to pay monthly but there isnt much of a DRM scheme! I just use the disks & enter my user acct that is tied to my reg key from the disk & i can play! I have installed it on 3 computers i cant play more than 1 @ a time, i don't see how this cant work? install with the cd key & create a user acct the 1st time that locks your cd key to you! whats the big deal? then u only need to access the internet 1st install, i have Sins Od a Solar system & they have the same kind of thing! I think i can install it how ever many times but no updates on an install that isn't registered! Or what about my Guild Wars! no monthly fee & i have installed it on 2 comps with no issues just have cd key tied to user acct!
there little or no DRM on a Pay to play MMoRPG, simply because if you dont pay they kick you off the server, leaving you with no game.
Spore correct me if im wrong, is a single player Simulation.
so they feel the need to protect themselves from the consume....Oops Pirates with a false sense of security called DRM which bye the way they pay good money to license for each unit sold.
Now the funny part, i bet Sony is laughing and singing Show me the money, because ea bought into another failed DRM.
DRM means higher retail prices, lower Resale value if any, Spore HAS no Resale value.
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20. September 2008 @ 08:43 |
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Originally posted by jetyi83:
The are kidding themselves is they think DRM is helping them in any monetary way. This probably hurt their sales by 50% or more.
Nah. I read somewhere that off pre order alone Spore sold like 500k units day one and its been adding about 40k people on a daily basis. The normal person doesn't have like 50 different computers they want to install spore on so the DRM doesn't affect them.
And wasn't it actually that you could only install it one 3 machines at once, not that you can only install the game 3 times? How many people have 5 computers that they actively use and need to install Spore on?
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20. September 2008 @ 08:45 |
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great you get two more activations, btw does this EULA not conflict the first sale doctrine?
3. Transfer. You may make a one time permanent transfer to all your rights to install and use the Software to another individual or legal entity provided that:(a) the technical protection measures used by the Software supports such transfers; (b) you also transfer this License and all copies of the Software; (b) you retain no copies of the Software, upgrades, updates or prior versions; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this License. You may not be able to transfer the right to receive updates, dynamically served content, or the right to use any online service of EA in connection with the Software.You may not be able to transfer the Software if you have already exhausted the terms of this License by authenticating the Software on the allowed number machines. Subsequent recipients of this License may not be able to authenticate the Software on additional machines. EA may require that any end user of the Software register the Software online as a condition of use and/or purchase additional licenses.
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dam cant put this image up keeps giving the above error. anyway here is the link:
http://files.xboxic.com/general/anti-drm.jpg
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Originally posted by jetyi83:
The are kidding themselves is they think DRM is helping them in any monetary way. This probably hurt their sales by 50% or more.
well it helping Sony as they can continue their fear campaign so everyone purchases their rootkit SecuROM DRM, and secretly turn everyone over to a pay per, view/listen/use basis.
"Guns don't kill people, rappers do!"
did cassettes actually kill music?
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20. September 2008 @ 10:34 |
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Here is a great vid from the tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKUPYMxkbVY
Originally posted by video info:
What is SecuROM & why are consumers unhappy with it?
UPDATE:
This will be of interest to anyone who has ever had the
"This application has crashed. The application will now terminate" Message...
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
SecuROM v4.84 and beyond includes "Trigger Functions" which allow the developer to program multiple and fully customizable authentication checks throughout the entire application. As the protection places itself between the application's code and the OS, it can alter the behaviour of selected system functions.
However, as SecuROM can modify the function's result, the application can check for the protection's presence during runtime; if the protection has been removed, the function will return with some other valid value, giving the application the opportunity to display an error message or render the application unusable (e.g. provoking a crash to desktop).
There are many different ways how "triggers" can be integrated into a program, making it much more complicated to universally circumvent the protection.
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Phanteria:
In short this is saying that SecuROM makes intermittent checks during the running of the game. If SecuROM cannot validate your (legally bought) game it will terminate it which will generate the "This application has crashed. The application will now terminate" Message.
Now everything is totally clear...
SECUROM DOES CRASH THE GAME.
EA shame on you for using such a flawed piece of copy protection software.
one user kroneage wrote about EA DRM
Originally posted by kroneage:
SecuROM is a part of Sony Family of DRM (Digital Rectal Manipulation)!!!
If you remember, Systernals were the ones that uncovered the Sony Rootkit Fiasco. But getting burnt for $Millions$ didn't teach Sony anything. The reason is Sony is still headed by Sir Howard StringNutz and his brother runs Sony BMG Records (London). As long as these two degenerates are in charge, we never know what they are willing to do to us that plunk down money for their music and games protected by SecuROM! Fukem!
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20. September 2008 @ 10:36 |
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It might but you have to drag it to higher courts first...
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20. September 2008 @ 10:45 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
13thHouR
It might but you have to drag it to higher courts first...
I'm in the UK so first sale is not a right here me thinks.
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20. September 2008 @ 11:14 |
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@13thHouR:
Awsome pictures you have there :)
Ìncreases activations? What will that help? It still has DRM =/
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20. September 2008 @ 18:19 |
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i dont see the problem with secuROM.
i reinstall my HDD everyfew months, but storage and games are on a different HDD to my OS one.
we dont need a DVD to play anymore, and now we have 5 reinstallations.
thats about 3-4 years worth of upgrades in which time you will be playing a new game.....
bash me all you want but IMO (MY OPINION), for MY USE, not generalising, secuROM doesnt change the way i play games, so i dotn care if it is in or not.
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20. September 2008 @ 20:46 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
i dont see the problem with secuROM.
i reinstall my HDD everyfew months, but storage and games are on a different HDD to my OS one.
we dont need a DVD to play anymore, and now we have 5 reinstallations.
thats about 3-4 years worth of upgrades in which time you will be playing a new game.....
bash me all you want but IMO (MY OPINION), for MY USE, not generalising, secuROM doesnt change the way i play games, so i dotn care if it is in or not.
One can also say that you can crack it so it dose not matter, but thats not the point. They are infringing on consumer rights and the right of resale.
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20. September 2008 @ 21:19 |
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PC games dont fetch much resale value as it is.
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20. September 2008 @ 21:48 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
PC games don't fetch much resale value as it is.
No worse than lack luster console titles that don;t sale well.
PC games start out 10$ less than console titles as well, but the point is they are infringing on the consumer rights.
its funny you should bring up price Spore is going for 50-80$ yet its new on ebay for 30$ they are creating a situation where thy are undercutting themselfs due to bad PR, people wanting to get rid of it will sell it off cheap opened or not.
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20. September 2008 @ 22:22 |
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so what rights are being infringed exactly?
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20. September 2008 @ 22:28 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
so what rights are being infringed exactly?
Right of playing it when you want not dependent on a sever that wont be around in 5 years, unrestricted resale as well as a half dozen oth4er chilling effect issues.
All they have to do is use a revoking install system to allow people to uninstall it properly, then the only real issue of annoyance is the need to be online to activate it..
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