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40gig backwards compatible???
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topher81
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19. September 2008 @ 18:07 |
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My brother heard a rumor that someone has a disc that install files on your 40gig ps3 and makes it backwards compatible. i was wondering if that is true. does anyone know?
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19. September 2008 @ 18:07 |
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Sorry but no.
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heyhey32
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19. September 2008 @ 18:18 |
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this would be wishful thinking. I do it all the time lol!
my ps3 makes my patience stronger.
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bigo93
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19. September 2008 @ 20:14 |
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Well in another thread someone said youhad to install a patch for the 80Gb consoles to become BC, I cant see ehy you cant copy that patch and install it on a 40gb console. But from the sounds of it noone has tried this...
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KajNrig
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19. September 2008 @ 22:29 |
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Oh, God. I knew just the mention of a "patch" would get people all riled up without learning the truth.
There's no "patch." At all. There is nothing. Your PS3 is either backwards compatible or it's not. No stupid little patch has been developed (yet).
If you've read the thread, then you must've read the part where, y'know, people SAY that there IS NO patch.
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GyroTEX
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20. September 2008 @ 06:02 |
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20gb-near full hardware BC
60gb-near full hardware BC
80gb-Part hardware part software BC
40gb-none (would be software if ever developed... not likely)
new80gb-same as 40
did i miss anything besides the spider-man, motorstorm and mgs bundles?
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20. September 2008 @ 06:39 |
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It is strange that when Sony was developing the PS3 that they didn?t include backwards compatibility across the whole range would have sold a lot more units if they did does it play ps1 games just curious never tried it well my son hasn?t thought there was hope they was going to include backwards compatibility with a firmware update or as that died of death.
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GyroTEX
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20. September 2008 @ 06:41 |
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yes all models play ps1 games
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jeice28
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21. September 2008 @ 00:03 |
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Actually... it may be possible, but it ain't legal. There is a beta emulator for ps2 games, but you need ps2 bios for it that's the part that technically makes this thing illegal as I understand. Because of the new development with linux now being able to work on the ps3 it is why I think it possible. This emulator is not complete because the problem has been the power of the computer needed; in other words if your somputer doesn't have a 512 mb grapgics card, 2 gigs of ram, and sound card, wierd I know but needed! It wouldn't run properly. Doing one up in this regard is not even close to as easy as it was for the SNES, sega, NES and other previous generation units.
I'm rather sure though that the ps3 can run it without any issue... the legality though it that a ps2 must be owned. From this comment forward I'm saying nothing else as I do not wish to promote piracy, possible destruction to one's property, or worse being the cause of somebody getting cartted off to jail.
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jeice28
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21. September 2008 @ 00:04 |
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Actually... it may be possible, but it ain't legal. There is a beta emulator for ps2 games, but you need ps2 bios for it that's the part that technically makes this thing illegal as I understand. Because of the new development with Linux now being able to work on the ps3 it is why I think it possible. This emulator is not complete because the problem has been the power of the computer needed; in other words if your computer doesn't have a 512 MB graphics card, 2 gigs of ram, and sound card, weird I know but needed! It wouldn't run properly. Doing one up in this regard is not even close to as easy as it was for the SNES, Sega, NES and other previous generation units.
I'm rather sure though that the ps3 can run it without any issue... the legality though it that a ps2 must be owned. From this comment forward I'm saying nothing else as I do not wish to promote piracy, possible destruction to one's property, or worse being the cause of somebody getting carted off to jail.
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KajNrig
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21. September 2008 @ 02:48 |
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The main reason it'd take so much power is because it's using the Linux OS... using the PS3 OS.
So what you're doing with the Linux emulation is making one system run another system to run a third system.
The Linux OS has to emulate every single piece of code that runs the PS3. It has to basically recreate the Emotion Engine, which is why it would need the crazy amounts of processing power/RAM/etc. Especially in terms of graphics processing, you'd have to "trick" your graphics card into acting like a PS2 graphics card, which would, obviously, be very stressful.
That's part of the reason why software emulation is so much less efficient at emulation than hardware emulation.
And while emulating older units IS decidedly much easier, it is also very demanding. Just look at how long it took for an NES emulator to come out for the PS3. A... fifth? generation system had to be out on the market for a few YEARS before it could run a second? generation system because someone had to work in all the mimicry.
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jeice28
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21. September 2008 @ 11:32 |
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Am I dealing with amateurs? Just about every emulator out there was done first from a linux standpoint, including this one. Its not about tricking the computer nor in this case the console. With this os on the system there ought to be no hacking needed. The ps3 has the processing power and the emotion engine gets blown out of the equation, in fact that point is moot because the architecture behind most of the designs of a ps3 is from the ps2, which is why they went the route they did with it processor, and it upset a lot of people in the gaming world when this fact was first announced. Ironically though its been their saving grace because it don't brake down nearly a year later like a 360 can due to improper cooling control.
Now as for my point about the emulator... Many idiots tried this with out of the box PC units that wouldn't handle its needs. In other words a 2gig processor from Intel or AMD wouldn't be enough; you had to take as much off as you could with this beta emulator and it would let you do it, but done manually. I know there was another out that didn't need this much of a hack job, but it ran horribly no matter how good the custom build. Odds are this beta maybe able to solve anyone's issue with backwards compatibility. As I said though before in quite specific terms:
I'm saying nothing else as I do not wish to promote piracy, possible destruction to one's property, or worse being the cause of somebody getting carted off to jail. Emphasis on destruction, I do not know if it will work or not... it is a possible alternative because Linux uses next to no processing in comparison to windows.
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KajNrig
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21. September 2008 @ 13:37 |
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Amateurs? Ouch, I hope that wasn't aimed at me.
But the problem with the PS3's Linux is that the OS can't access all of the Cell's processing power. I forget what exactly it is, but there's something somewhere about how Linux can't access some sort of special part of the Cell. Since it can only access a fraction of the Cell processor, then I doubt it'd be able to fully operate a PS2 emulator.
Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
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jeice28
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24. September 2008 @ 00:23 |
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Precisely! The processor usage is at a bare minimum, thus allowing for an emulator to make use of what's available. What we are dealing with is slightly backwards I know. Normally with a PC you would want to add ram, but we can't do that in this case, therefore you need as much as possible not being used. It doesn't need to, and you don't want it too either for the more it uses the slower this may run.
Like I said; I think its possible that the ps3 can do it... and there again I say this. From this comment forward I'm saying nothing else as I do not wish to promote piracy, possible destruction to one's property, or worse being the cause of somebody getting carted off to jail.
P.S. Amateur comment was directed at everyone, including myself. I like being right, but love being wrong because it shows me I don't know everything... just enough that if it didn't blow up I must be doing something right.
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KajNrig
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24. September 2008 @ 01:11 |
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No, you see, the thing is that Linux doesn't have access to all of the Cell.
Which means that the emulator running on Linux has that same limitation.
Let's say that Linux only gets about... 50% of the Cell's processor power. (It's just for argument's sake, it's not a real figure.)
Even if we were to reduce the rest of Linux's processes to... 1% of what's available, which would be .5% overall, we'd still only have 49.5% of the Cell to use for emulating.
It's not like running the emulator automatically hacks into the PS3 and gains access to its full potential. If that were the case, then it'd be possible to run Linux on a PS3 with the entire processing power available.
Is that making sense?
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No need to worry about piracy or whatnot. We're definitely not supporting it, so there's nothing to worry about.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. September 2008 @ 01:13
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24. September 2008 @ 01:16 |
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Originally posted by KajNrig:
No, you see, the thing is that Linux doesn't have access to all of the Cell.
Which means that the emulator running on Linux has that same limitation.
Let's say that Linux only gets about... 50% of the Cell's processor power. (It's just for argument's sake, it's not a real figure.)
Even if we were to reduce the rest of Linux's processes to... 1% of what's available, which would be .5% overall, we'd still only have 49.5% of the Cell to use for emulating.
It's not like running the emulator automatically hacks into the PS3 and gains access to its full potential. If that were the case, then it'd be possible to run Linux on a PS3 with the entire processing power available.
Is that making sense?
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No need to worry about piracy or whatnot. We're definitely not supporting it, so there's nothing to worry about.
Not only that but you cant access the rsx under linux which is imo the main thing holding linux on the ps3 back.
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KajNrig
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24. September 2008 @ 01:37 |
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Yes, the RSX thing. I think that's what I was referring to. I hope it is.
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jeice28
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24. September 2008 @ 18:02 |
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That's the thing the ps2 emulator for PC systems, they need the bios from the console to run it. They are therefore based off of the original processing from this console, which ought to allow for direct access to the cell processor... because the rest is being done by the emulator. The OS is not going to limit its usage, because the emulator will be looking for what's available, and not from what Linux has. That's what making me think its possible, at least with the one I'm fooling with my PC currently because it seems to be taking it straight from my CPU, and as far I can tell it doesn't add any processes, nor use resources... however at times it does slow down my computer usage when doing other programs. I haven't put this on my ps3 yet until I'm comfortable enough to know that will be a good or perfect workaround.
Now if Linux does do this limitation, which may be the case then so be it. Besides its the emulator that will be looking for the access not Linux, due to it needing ps2 bios. Specifically the one I'm messing with right now is the PCSX2 0.95, which is Linux usable, unfortunately the others are mostly all windows based. I'd much rather not put windows on my ps3, its not that windows sucks... its just I fear vista may cause a melt down. As of right now it seems to bee running very nicely on my system through Linux fedora and I've had medium to highly good results with various games, as that is my other OS, I know its not ubuntu and that's what's been working with the ps3 and I haven't gotten familiar enough with it enough yet.
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KajNrig - It's not like running the emulator automatically hacks into the PS3 and gains access to its full potential. If that were the case, then it'd be possible to run Linux on a PS3 with the entire processing power available.
Is that making sense?
I will agree it makes sense, but what I'm thinking here that Linux is only using what it needs, or what it can currently see. Where my thinking is also coming from is that this is like dealing with dos based games, which didn't really use windows... however they did need configuration files. If I'm right and I'll admit right now its probably 65 / 45 in favor of not being so; then maybe Linux can be the necessary catalyst to do this.
These are what make me believe it is possible, As I said I love it when I'm wrong, and like when I'm right... and I'll freely admit I may be dreaming. Its all theoretically possible, not probable which is why I'm saying 65 / 45 of not being right on this.
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psplvanub
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29. September 2008 @ 04:13 |
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Is the hypervisor a software elementor or is it hardware???
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29. September 2008 @ 19:56 |
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Originally posted by psplvanub:
Is the hypervisor a software elementor or is it hardware???
The HyperVisor is software.
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