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Blu-ray external drive coming very soon for Xbox 360?
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article published on 9 October, 2008
According to an Xbit Labs report, the popular Xbox 360 console will be getting an external Blu-ray disc drive, and "soon."
The report says that Toshiba-Samsung Storage Technology Corp. has been contracted by Microsoft to begin manufacturing the drive and that it will sell for the cheap price of $100-150 USD, in an effort to stay competitive with the Sony PlayStation 3, which has a built-in ... [ read the full article ]
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Interestx
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10. October 2008 @ 06:30 |
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I have a 7.1 set-up with a recent bitstreaming HD receiver.
Most high def (Blu or HD DVD) movies do not come with a true 7.1 audio track(s) - my receiver can matrix this but that is not the same thing.
I would say that anyone with a half-decent 5.1 set-up is not missing out on anything and in the few instances where there is a real 7.1 track you'd be pushed to tell the difference - the overall quality of your kit would be of far more importance, not the number of audio channels.
IIRC the XBox 360 HDMI connection is to the HDMI 1.2a spec.
That is good enough for the transmission of 5.1 audio up to SACD & DVD-Audio standards.
That doesn't seem to me to be a shoddy option at all.
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The add-on makes a brilliant & extremely cheap ROM drive on your PC (which is why I would like to see them bring out a Blu drive at a very inexpensive level).
I just don't see any reason for them to do it.
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10. October 2008 @ 06:57 |
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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.
I bet you have one don't you???
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10. October 2008 @ 13:35 |
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Interesting, though its still a rumor. I wouldn't really be surprised either way if they released one or not at this point, it would be nice to use it as a cheap bluray drive on a pc as Interestx said though the price of bluray roms are dropping rather quickly; you can find them under 100 bucks now if you look hard enough.
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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.
I bet you have one don't you???
So what if he does or doesn't? Stop trying to start a fight, this is the only console news article I've seen in a long time that hasn't turned out to be a complete flame fest and I don't want to see it ruined.
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10. October 2008 @ 14:46 |
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I don't believe anything until I see it
Kinda like Midnight Club Los Angeles.
Originally posted by http://www.wikipedia.com:
It was officially announced for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on May 16, 2007 by Rockstar Games.
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10. October 2008 @ 14:49 |
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I was looking at a standalone around Christmas time, $200 is the sweet spot, and I wanted BD-Live plus on board decoding for HD audio (my AV receiver will do pass-through but it can't decode)
Can anyone actually confirm that the current 360 will never be able to handle HD audio? Just like the PS3 can't bitstream HD audio.
Cause if its going to be the same as the HD DVD add-on, I'd rather get the standalone. (Or a PS3 if I find a sweet deal)
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juankerr
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10. October 2008 @ 15:00 |
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Can anyone actually confirm that the current 360 will never be able to handle HD audio?
From the now ex-MS spokesman himself:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10176889
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Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).
PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).
So no bitstreaming or decoding of Dolby True HD or DTS HD Master Audio - unless they change the motherboard.
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10. October 2008 @ 16:16 |
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I think $100 for an external Blu-ray player for Xbox360 would be the real sweet spot for an add-on accessory. (and even add in a few bonus Blu-ray movies) At my local Wal-mart and Bestbuy, they have those cheap brand Blu-ray stand alone players for $199 and probably has more functions than this add-on if its anything similar to the HD-DVD add on Xbox360 had. I think this would do well for Sony to help spread Blu-ray.
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12. October 2008 @ 01:58 |
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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.
Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.
Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
Actually, the cheapest 360 is $199 not $299.
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12. October 2008 @ 11:48 |
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MS would be better off putting the BR drive in the 360,unlocking the HDD and thinking about getting the 360 to last another 5ish years......
Plus with alil more ramm in it the new games could use it making them run better its all win to keep the 360 going.
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13. October 2008 @ 15:12 |
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we need an expert totally neutral opinion on this potential switch from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray for the X-Box - where is that guy Hugh Jars ? I miss his net neutrality :)
hughjars? he was neutral??? On every HD-DVD And Blu-Ray News Thread he would post on how blu-ray is bad how HD-DVD is the best thing ever to exsist on earth. Ohh And Hes Been Inactive ever since blu-ray won.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10946.cfm
please don't tell me that my very obvious low level sarcasm was lost on you ? oh boy , seems like it was ;)
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15. October 2008 @ 00:17 |
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In the US, most games are on both consoles. There are really only a handful of exclusives for each console. So if you already have one console, then there is no real purpose of getting the other console. Not untill more exclusives come out. Even if a person were to say the price difference is justified, that doesn't mean that person can afford to pay that price difference. People get impatient, they don't want to wait. $100-$150 is not much. But $400 for a Blu-ray player (ps3) that does the same exact shit as the console he already has, is not worth it. You'd be paying a difference of $250-$300 just for the difference in exclusives. That's a pretty damn steep price difference.
Extremely bad defense right there.
Yes, $100-150 is not much.
But is the xbox 360 magically going to come to me?
$299 for the cheapest 360 (NO HDD) + $100 = $399.
Ohh look at that, the same price as a 80GB PS3.
Actually, the cheapest 360 is $199 not $299.
Ohh crud!
I forgot about the price drop!
Well, depending the price of the add-on, it could be an investment, but for someone like me who hates all these extra add-ons, I would take the PS3.
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15. October 2008 @ 05:29 |
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Hey, what about the thousands and thousands of people who bought the failed HD-Drive for Xbox 360? Is Microsoft going to give them a price cut? Will they be able to trade their HD-Drive in for in order to get a BD-drive for a lessor price?.......
I think NOT!
So all who paid the money for the HD-Drive just got screwed again.
Don't you just love it. (Being Sarcastic)
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Bad8511
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15. October 2008 @ 08:59 |
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Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Originally posted by Bad8511:
So what. Sony will always be better than Microsoft!
This is the deepest, most thought out comment i have ever read. True fanboyism in the flesh.
On topic, i think this is a good move for Microsoft. I probably wont invest in one too soon b/c i dont buy movies. Well, at least i wont buy one untill i get a blueray burner that is. He he hee;)
You're an idiot for posting that you are a pirate!
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Bad8511
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15. October 2008 @ 09:06 |
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Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
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The PS3 is not just a Blu Player so the 399 price is well worth it.
I bet you have one don't you???
Yeah and I bet you don't!
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Bradderss
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15. October 2008 @ 09:46 |
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I read somewhere microsoft have said they won't be doing it after this latest rumour. The best thing they can do is enhance the streaming on the 360 to allow more file types.
Anyway who cares about sony they are one of, if not the most expensive company out there. All because they stick there four letters on the front. And people think lets get a sony product its the best when its not really.
Before anyone says about me being a fanboy, i'm not. I'm more Anti-Sony.
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15. October 2008 @ 13:04 |
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Sony and MS, apples and oranges, can't really compare the two. In the past, maybe, because Sony is electronic hardware, and MS is just Windows. But now a day, hell, everybody got their own agendas... I don't like both of them, but yeah, i use their products (who doesn't?). Well, one thing for sure, the external Xbox 360 BD player will be an abomination... Regardless it will be inexpensive or beautifully designed, it will not do well in the Xbox community.
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25. October 2008 @ 05:17 |
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Humph, why is this all such a storm in a teacup? Aren't there more important things to bicker about? M$ and $ony are both members of the same cartels that produced DRM and HDCP certification bullcrap, both are full of hype. If you drew up a side by side list of their pros and cons they'd end up being more or less even.
From one point of view a Blu-ray/DVD player for the X360 is good for owners who want to go down that path. Naysayers don't factor in that this will save wear and tear on their main optical drive and it ain't that an expensive proposition.
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25. October 2008 @ 12:17 |
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For people wanting to invest in a 360 + BluRay rather than a PS3 or vice versa:
Xbox 360 Side
System: $199 (No HDD)
BluRay External $125 (since it could be $100-$150)
Remote: Should be included with BluRay external.
Wireless Adapter $99 (For BD Live if you do not have ethernet)
Other Factors
No Backwards Compatibility
No HDMI Port (I think, correct me if I am wrong)
Audio Limitations
Loud (But I think thats only the internal DVD-ROM so it doesn't really matter)
RROD Problems (Though almost eliminated)
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Total $423 ($498 to $448)
PlayStation 3 Side
System: $399 (Cheapest 80GB)
Remote: $25
Other Factors
PS1 backwards compatibility
Bluetooth (can't use 3rd party remotes without adapter)
Wifi (BD Live built in)
Laser problems (Though almost eliminated)
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Total $424
-Both systems need HD Cables
So if you don't care about BD Live, then the 360 is a better choice, or a 3rd party BD Player. If you do want BD Live, they are the same price. Take a pick. I don't see why the external BluRay player for the 360 would not include BD Live.
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25. October 2008 @ 12:21 |
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Xbox360 has backwards compatibility - although a patch download is required to play i believe.
Depending on model the 360 has HDMI.
The 360 has optical audio out.
Also microsoft upped the warranty to 3 years i believe for RROD
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25. October 2008 @ 13:06 |
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core2kid can you please provide me a link concerning the "almost eliminated" laser assembly problems of the PS3- it the first I've heard of it!! Good to see you acknowledge it tho. It was never dealt with on the PS2. In fact I play my PS2 games off an HDD (my second PS2) in an effort to stave off the inevitable, and because it's so much faster.
Backwards compatibility has been a load of bollocks on both machines imo. For example the PS2 games looked awful on the PS3, just better to stick with the original consoles.
I have HDMI on my X360- utterly wrong, you are corrected.
Wireless isn't necessary to play games live. In fact I don't recommend it. I have enough problems dealing with the OS server's lag in Oz with out excessive re-sent data packages.
With this solution owners would have TWO players. Playing movies off their external drive would save wear and tear on their internal one.
Importantly, you neglect to mention that X360 owners can in the near future play their games off the HDD- preventing wear, noise RRoD etc. Everyone I know with a X360 machine is excited about this development. If the PS3 follows suit I'd get one sooner than the two years I plan on- or even sooner if I can get a dudded one off fleabay and fix it's drive assembly (I'm waiting till the floodgates open).
Your list, whilst good intentioned, is not comprehensive enough.
People forget it's about the games- why not make your choice on the basis of that.
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25. October 2008 @ 13:15 |
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Woops. I edited out this because it wasn't relevant. Sorry.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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25. October 2008 @ 13:17 |
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For the failure, The 40GB had problems and since the 80GB is a 40GB with a bigger hard drive I said that.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=40g...gh+failure+rate
I am not talking about the 80 with B/C but the one without.
Overall, I was comparing the two systems mainly about BluRay playback and not gaming. If comparing in Gaming, I feel that PS2 B/C does look better on the PS3 with some games, not all. As for playing games off the HDD, the PS3 already does that.
In your opinion, don't use Wifi for gaming. It is though an added advantage for PS3 owners who are unable to get a ethernet cable behind their TV. I use PS3 wifi and I see no lag at all. I played the Resistance 2 Beta yesterday for about 2 hours off the HDD. The system fans were at low level and I didn't lag or disconnect even once.
For HDMI on the 360s, I know the premiums have them but do the arcades since I was comparing that model. Lowest PlayStation 3 along with the lowest 360.
About having two players, an Internal and External. I guess it can be a pro and a con. A pro because it saves on the internal drive but a con because it takes up more space along with external wires for power and USB.
I was not trying to be biased in any way. I was stating the facts that I knew, mainly about BluRay playback since this thread is about an external BluRay drive for 360 and BluRay playback.
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25. October 2008 @ 13:28 |
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At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally
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25. October 2008 @ 13:34 |
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Originally posted by Bradderss:
At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally
Since MS locked the HDD and didn't think it needed a media ready console.
MS screwed up its design.
The PS3 is slightly flawed but better designed.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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