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Hollywood suit against RealDVD meant to stifle innovation, says EFF
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 11 October, 2008
According to the EFF, the recent Hollywood suit against RealDVD is nothing more than a smokescreen aimed not at piracy but instead at stifling innovation.
"It has nothing to do with piracy and everything to do with controlling innovation," said Fred von Lohmann, EFF's senior attorney.
The suit contends that RealNetwork's RealDVD software is in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright ... [ read the full article ]
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IPRFenix
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11. October 2008 @ 19:38 |
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This is just stupid and I'm tired..
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BLAHHHHH
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11. October 2008 @ 21:40 |
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SELF RIGHTEOUS RAVE AND RANT...YOU AGREE TO NOT COPY DVDS WHEN YOU PURCHASE A MOVIE DVD...READ THE FINE PRINT ON THE MOVIE DVD AT THE START...IF YOU DISAGEE WITH THE FINE PRINT...DONT BUY THE DVD...SIMPLE! THE REST OF YOUR RANT IS A SMOKESCREEN FOR AN ILLEGAL ACT!
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ddp
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11. October 2008 @ 21:45 |
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BLAHHHHH, knockoff the caps lock as is refered to as shouting which is a forum rule no no.
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11. October 2008 @ 22:29 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
BLAHHHHH, knockoff the caps lock as is refered to as shouting which is a forum rule no no.
Im not getting the picture, using caps only for a few sentences is not flaming.
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varnull
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11. October 2008 @ 22:32 |
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Protocol.
anyway.. what was the news story?
Oh yeah.. .. As a member of EFF i don't see why we are standing behind this drm laden shite.. I have made my opinions known to those who matter.. Real software is closed source.. and EFF have policies about closed source.. eh Mr Stallman?
It's crap.. and we know it.. Real and drm/css encryption.. get real. I rip a dvd I don't give a crap if it's encrypted or not.. because I know how feeble that protection is.
let it die.. Real drm filled phone home software has no place in my world, and I hope it has no place in yours either.
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ddp
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11. October 2008 @ 22:44 |
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Leningrad, has nothing to do with flaming.
9. No ALL CAPS MESSAGES or you will be banned (you know, turn the caps lock off before you type anything).
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varnull
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11. October 2008 @ 22:47 |
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Awww.. give em a break.. it was almost Friday ;)
They may be using JAWS.. don't forget the visually impared aren't going to know if caps lock is on or not.
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ddp
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11. October 2008 @ 22:52 |
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is almost sunday & past friday being still saturday.
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varnull
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11. October 2008 @ 22:55 |
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Aye.. tis true..
Just commenting on the sudden upsurge in people trying to be mods again.
Please do remember that we do have the VI members also.. and they may not be aware that they have caps on, or see the importance of it.
I'm a minority.. no special treatment required (why are there so few girls?). A little understanding goes further than a shouting at any day.
Teach and Learn?
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ddp
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11. October 2008 @ 23:17 |
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copying my 1 liner saying?
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varnull
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11. October 2008 @ 23:42 |
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12. October 2008 @ 03:00 |
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Originally posted by BLAHHHHH:
SELF RIGHTEOUS RAVE AND RANT...YOU AGREE TO NOT COPY DVDS WHEN YOU PURCHASE A MOVIE DVD...READ THE FINE PRINT ON THE MOVIE DVD AT THE START...IF YOU DISAGEE WITH THE FINE PRINT...DONT BUY THE DVD...SIMPLE! THE REST OF YOUR RANT IS A SMOKESCREEN FOR AN ILLEGAL ACT!
you are an idiot
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12. October 2008 @ 03:36 |
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well.....
Content Protection Quote:
This is by design: as Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA, put it, ?If you buy a DVD you have a copy. If you want a backup copy you buy another one?). It's obvious why this type of business model makes the pain of pushing content protection onto consumers so worthwhile since it practically constitutes a license to print money.
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12. October 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Down girl DOWN!!
The point of this is to protect consumer?s right to backing up and using the data they buy for personal use it dose not matter if the head of the spear is a dull DRM POS it still spread heads another movement to force CP owners to understand their place in society.
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varnull
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12. October 2008 @ 13:30 |
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But I can back up for free.. without paying Real or anybody else.. AFAIK as long as I don't transfer the copies I make to anybody else by any means no laws are being broken. The DMCA infringes on my fair use rights.. and destroys the first ownership principles enshrined in law.. so I don't recognise it as a valid law.
If I use this software does that mean that I can rip/burn and sell? Don't think so, so why is it relevant in any way?
Nah.. no sale.
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12. October 2008 @ 15:14 |
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varnull
Mew thinks you are missing the point. *licks mew paw*
Yoou see the CP owners can gang up together and buy authoritarian laws and rules to dismiss what ever precived rights one has now. Thus ANYTHING to maintain the line the war on the gray filed helps us all even if at the head of it is a crappy DRM product. Until they try to make products like it "safe" its all good. When they try and say that users can not make or distribute programs that do the same things that the "approved" programs do that then will be bad but for now they are trying to do basically the same thing all the ripper programs do.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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ddp
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12. October 2008 @ 15:16 |
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hikaricor, watch the name calling!!
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12. October 2008 @ 23:55 |
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I don't think i've ever seen ddp post so much on one thread. Somethings must have happened. ☺ ☻
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BLAHHHHH
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13. October 2008 @ 01:38 |
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The one good outcome from dvd piracy is that it has reduced the cost of legitimate movie dvds from somewhere around $30 to a reasonable $12..$15 per copy.
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BLAHHHHH
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13. October 2008 @ 01:47 |
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O incidentally i've never read so many self righteous comments about the right to illegaly copy dvd movies...talk about criminal vested interests...or the use of caps in a post...lol...by buying a movie dvd you enter into a contract with the film companies to not pirate said movie...that is the issue...its not about how easy it is to copy the dvd...or even fair rights....what fair rights?!? i dont see that mentioned on the movie dvd...?!?
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13. October 2008 @ 15:12 |
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Originally posted by BLAHHHHH:
O incidentally i've never read so many self righteous comments about the right to illegaly copy dvd movies...talk about criminal vested interests...or the use of caps in a post...lol...by buying a movie dvd you enter into a contract with the film companies to not pirate said movie...that is the issue...its not about how easy it is to copy the dvd...or even fair rights....what fair rights?!? i dont see that mentioned on the movie dvd...?!?
You contradict what others say, yet you don't know about fair usage. sigh.. guess its easier to steal when the masses are to Black/white on things.
you don't enter a contract. A contract is a negotiation between me and the Film company's. there is no negotiation there for there is no contract.
There is however blatant messages that say they can fine up two 150,000 and 3 years in prison, and how you can and cant use the media.
btw, Its better to look like a fool than open your mouth and prove your a fool.
Read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
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BLAHHHHH
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14. October 2008 @ 02:12 |
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when you buy a movie dvd...their is a list of instructions as to what you may or may not do with your purchased dvd from the film studios...by buying that dvd you are entering into an agreement with the studiio...its technically a contract to abide by those instructions...to not copy that dvd...its immaterial whether you like these rules or whether you think they are unfair...you do not purchase a right to copy that dvd...only to own and view it...thats not too difficult to understand now is it!
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BLAHHHHH
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14. October 2008 @ 02:25 |
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ahh yes as for the doctrine of 'fair use'...how about you explain that doctrine to the movie studios when you are caught with a pirated copy of their dvd in your hands...why in heavens name would anyone want the right to be able to make 1, 5, 20, 50 , 100 copies of bambi?!?!
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14. October 2008 @ 02:35 |
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Originally posted by BLAHHHHH:
when you buy a movie dvd...their is a list of instructions as to what you may or may not do with your purchased dvd from the film studios...by buying that dvd you are entering into an agreement with the studiio...its technically a contract to abide by those instructions...to not copy that dvd...its immaterial whether you like these rules or whether you think they are unfair...you do not purchase a right to copy that dvd...only to own and view it...thats not too difficult to understand now is it!
And fair use trumps half of what they say because what they say is wishfull thinking.
Your rights are as follows
You may make a back up for your own personal use, even the DMCA allows this. this personal use copy must be destroyed when you sale the item its copied from.
You also have the right to re convert it as so it can play on other devices but you still must get rid of them all when you sale the original item.
If you "get caught"it means you been downloading which is a gray area until they find you or if you are selling copies which is clearly against the law.
Besides when it comes to data copying it can never do substantial damage to a multi billion dalor industry. Its mostly based around popularity and fame of the time if there was no fame or popularity for it it would not copied its basically crying over split milk.
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14. October 2008 @ 20:53 |
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Hollywood gone wild!
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