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Blu-ray is a bag of hurt, says Apple
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article published on 15 October, 2008
Apple CEO Steve Jobs has confirmed that the company will not be bringing Blu-ray drives to its Mac laptops any time soon, or at least until "things settle down."
"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt," stated Jobs. "It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."
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jetyi83
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15. October 2008 @ 15:35 |
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instead of offering br they steer people to itunes, what a surprise
i wonder why no one else finds the licensing complicated.
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DieMPAA
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15. October 2008 @ 15:40 |
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I am a Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows user and I think this is a big mistake, especially with the gimped Apple TV doing as poorly as it is.
If any hardware company can weather this recession, it's Apple, but not if it continues to push $2,500 notebooks with $800 parts that can be realized with a Hackintosh.
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Toshibot
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15. October 2008 @ 15:53 |
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Originally posted by jetyi83:
instead of offering br they steer people to itunes, what a surprise
i wonder why no one else finds the licensing complicated.
Exactly what I was thinking.
If a hardware manufacturer like Asus has no problems with licensing and can put a BluRay drive in their laptops, why can't Apple?
They want to protect their cash cow - iTunes.
I think Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer has metastasized to his brain.
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13thHouR
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15. October 2008 @ 17:16 |
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Originally posted by DieMPAA:
I am a Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows user and I think this is a big mistake, especially with the gimped Apple TV doing as poorly as it is.[/url]
Because Linix is open source they OS will NEVER be allowed a licence to use blu-ray as the DRM masters cannot dictate their DRM masking rootkits to hide the code unlike they can with windows and apple through the DMCA.
How much do you think Apple and M$ have to pay for the "privilege" of infesting ppl's computers with malware?
Why do you think Vista is bloated with DRM?
Read: http://www.eff.org/issues/digital-video
Schneier: Why Microsoft Sold Out Consumers in Vista Quote:
Today, the PC industry needs Hollywood more than Hollywood needs the PC. Most consumers rely on traditional consumer electronics devices to view DVDs and TV content, but companies like Microsoft are betting on the converged digital home and desperately want a bigger piece of the media device market. Because of the DMCA, Microsoft has to get permission to build devices compatible with Hollywood's DRMed content. So when Hollywood demanded that Microsoft lard Vista with restrictions to access high-def DVD and digital cable content, the software giant was in a weak bargaining position.
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15. October 2008 @ 17:23 |
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Well I am as far from a apple fan as you can get but I still like there direction. Anything that gets us closer to digital delivery of movies makes me happy.
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15. October 2008 @ 17:55 |
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apple better hope that ISPs don't continue their recent bandwidth caps. .... That's gonna hinder their hd downloads more than the "difficult licencing" ever will be.
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15. October 2008 @ 19:30 |
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More like ''a bag of money''. All the DRM'd hardware, software, peripherals, CABLES (?)...I'm waiting 'til my underwear and chair cushion are DRM'd to make sure it's MY butt in MY chair viewing content. There are no ends to flags and such control. Keep It Simple Stooopid....now ask me what I think of HD and all the associated DRM involved with it.
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15. October 2008 @ 20:05 |
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All this is, is a game of put your hand in my pocket. Each and every corporation in the PC or Media world does that. Apple may be taken a backseat because they want to protect their beloved iTunes. But the reality is, if Blu-Ray does take off how much more are they going to take from their customers. Like somebody already pointed out, a $2500 notebook with maybe less then $800 isn't going to be attractive at all with a Blu-Ray rom or burner or whatever formats they release with it.
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AXT
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15. October 2008 @ 22:23 |
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That unfortunate, I recently purchased a blu-ray drive and I couldn't be more satisfied.
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15. October 2008 @ 23:02 |
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Because Linix is open source they OS will NEVER be allowed a licence to use blu-ray as the DRM masters cannot dictate their DRM masking rootkits to hide the code unlike they can with windows and apple through the DMCA.
Wow that comment was so full of fail it ain't funny, Sure Linux will never get a license, because you don't need one. PS3+Linux Equals *Gasp* Blu-ray on Linux.
Another equation. Me+$300+AnyOSisodamechosetouse=GGW-H20L
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16. October 2008 @ 01:05 |
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Originally posted by lamain:
Well I am as far from a apple fan as you can get but I still like there direction. Anything that gets us closer to digital delivery of movies makes me happy.
what the *bleep*?
Why?
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locobrown
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16. October 2008 @ 01:36 |
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The reason to this is that Sony will charge a licensing royalty fee for its use of blu-ray drives. I have a PS3 but the blu-ray drive wasn't the main motive why i bought the console. I prefer DVD over blu-ray or until blank media become affordable.
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AXT
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16. October 2008 @ 03:07 |
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Originally posted by lamain:
Well I am as far from a apple fan as you can get but I still like there direction. Anything that gets us closer to digital delivery of movies makes me happy.
Try downloading a 30GB movie in a reasonable time not including extras. Physical media will not be going anywhere any time soon if you seek the highest visual standards.
If your happy with sub-par encodes from apple then so be it.
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13thHouR
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16. October 2008 @ 04:58 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Wow that comment was so full of fail it ain't funny, Sure Linux will never get a license, because you don't need one. PS3+Linux Equals *Gasp* Blu-ray on Linux.
Another equation. Me+$300+AnyOSisodamechosetouse=GGW-H20L
so you think that because the PS3 can run linux ppl that have pc's running this GUI will also be able to view Hi-Def media, OMG is that what you really believe?
you do realise companies that produce media players like Cyberlink have been forcibly stopped from supporting linux by the MPAA and Blu-Ray Association scum bags, using the DMCA. If you are using blu-ray on a linux set-up, it is illegal and a criminal/federal offence.
There are tools to enable you to view the content like Geexbox but you are breaking the law doing so.
http://www.geexbox.org/en/index.html
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plazma247
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16. October 2008 @ 06:20 |
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Because Linix is open source they OS will NEVER be allowed a licence to use blu-ray as the DRM masters cannot dictate their DRM masking rootkits to hide the code unlike they can with windows and apple through the DMCA.
Thats not to say there is no way of doing it.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
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13thHouR
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16. October 2008 @ 06:34 |
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Originally posted by plazma247:
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Because Linix is open source they OS will NEVER be allowed a licence to use blu-ray as the DRM masters cannot dictate their DRM masking rootkits to hide the code unlike they can with windows and apple through the DMCA.
Thats not to say there is no way of doing it.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
very true, but very illegal at the same time. It's no wonder that Apple wants nothing to do with Blu-Ray, not many ppl in the industry want to have to pay extortionate licences and agree to cripple their software with DRM at the beset of the media industries/Hollywood(The MPAA Members, see my Sig).
Originally posted by plazma247's link:
The AACS 'Digital Rights Management' system in most HD-DVD and all Blu-Ray discs attempts to stop consumers from exercising fair use rights, including:
* Playing purchased Blu-Ray and HD DVD films using Open Source software.
* Playing films using standard digital (DVI) or analog (VGA) cables and monitors, which generally do not support HDCP DRM, without a 75% reduction in resolution.
* Fast forwarding or skipping advertisements.
* Playing imported films, including when local equivalents may be overpriced or not available.
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rainofire
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16. October 2008 @ 07:03 |
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You say it's illegal, but yet your against the MPAA and RIAA. So your for pirating stuff which is illegal but your against blu-ray on linux which is also illegal... which side are you on?
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plazma247
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16. October 2008 @ 07:27 |
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Does make you wonder if this is actually something more to do with the fact that microsoft and apple went to see sony last year to licence the technology/get a drive and something happened and they all walked away from the table... then the xbox was going to get a asus then liteon drive then something happened there to and then last week news that it may get a samsung drive.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15627.cfm
It would appear the micrsoft/apple camp has actually expressed an intrest in blueray more than once, but every time its either blocked or priced out of their range... its like someone, cough sony maybe see's and advantage in them not getting one.
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16. October 2008 @ 12:43 |
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Yeah its called stifling the competition using over priced Licensing fee's. Sony thinks it will drive more money there way if anything it will do the exact opposite.
I do not believe Blu-ray will ever See the light of day at least not the 14 years DVD has seen.
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locobrown
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16. October 2008 @ 13:01 |
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DVD can't be overthrown just yet, people still use VHS tapes isn't that amazing? The DVD Forum will not give into blu-ray. After the sad demise of HD-DVD, i don't think blu-ray will ever dominate the market without the DVD Forums involvement.
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atomicxl
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16. October 2008 @ 13:51 |
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LOL @ Jobs mentioning price. Like Apple is known for low prices. Especially their PC division.
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16. October 2008 @ 20:59 |
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like some said already, apple wants to go all the way with itunes till blu-ray reaches a point wich it will be as necessary as dvd has become nowadays + picture that price tag!!
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Interestx
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16. October 2008 @ 21:29 |
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Originally posted by AXR:
Try downloading a 30GB movie in a reasonable time not including extras. Physical media will not be going anywhere any time soon if you seek the highest visual standards.
With downloads specific to the consumer you don't need 30gbs.
Strip out all the unnecessary stuff and that 30gbs shrinks
(a lot of straight Blu-ray rips I've seen turn out to be somewhere around the 18gb - 22gb size).
You don't need all the audio tracks and soon you will be able to specify which form of audio you want/need (why pay for stuff like Dolby True HD etc when you only have - or only want - vanilla Dolby Digital?) saving a lot of bandwidth.
Similarly all those who claim to hate the extras as a complete waste of time will be able to have their wish and dump a lot of that used up space.
Those with a 720p HD TV will be able to select specific to that too, thereby freeing up yet more bandwidth - and those who see little or no difference on their 32" - 50" HD TVs will be able to opt for the cheaper, slightly lower res, option.
I don't know whos encodes you have been looking at lately but there are a lot of excellent quality 720p encodes @ DVD sizes & a lot of excellent 1080p encodes @ dual layer DVD sizes.
I suspect the coming commercially available encodes are likely to be even more sophisticated & of higher quality too.
With todays net connections a single layer DVD sized HD movie is a credible option and so is a DVD9 sized one too
(my 'up to 8mb' connection usually gives me just over 8gbs in 3hrs on a good torrent).
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16. October 2008 @ 22:00 |
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Apple is not smart enough to install it but AMEX now makes a portable drive for it for $268. Whats the dead Apple?
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plazma247
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17. October 2008 @ 02:23 |
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Its funny, i have never heard the phrase big bag o hurt.... although i have heard a version that end in S%^T.
Could it be they are actually saying blueray is just plain crap and that itunes downloads are better.
lol itunes sucks ass, my girlfriend would have thrown her ipod classic out if winamp hadnt sorted the support, all i got was but why doesnt it let me...
Its more like "ITUNES is a big steamin pile of err.. yeah hurt" haha
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