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EA CEO doesn't like DRM
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article published on 15 October, 2008
Last month we reported about how gamers were furious over Electronic Art's decision to add SecuROM DRM to the hit game Spore.
Amazon users went on a rampage and the game currently has a one and half star (out of five) rating with 3150 reviews, with all drubbing the DRM and not the actual gameplay.
EA CEO John Riccitiello has made some comments recently regarding the DRM and it appears ... [ read the full article ]
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17. October 2008 @ 16:45 |
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"99.8% don't have a problem"
Another one of those pick a number any number "facts"
Well, 99.8% of North Koreans don't have a problem with their country being communist..that doesn't make it right. When EA goes down in a few years bc of customer outrage at this fatcat CEO, I'll be there pointing and laughing in my best Nelson impression.
Nothing wrong with being a communist. I think it's totalitarianism that you have a beef with. Please take your mid 20th century public school propaganda somewhere else.
At least 23 million people are dead because of Communism.
Over nine million died under socialism.
There is no difference between either of them, because totalitarianism is inherent in their "philosophies."
In order for the arrogant, elitist fascists to force their rancid systems on people who want to be free, they have always and will always be totalitarian.
Maybe this "tolerance for evil" crap is what they teach in universities and Hollyweird these days, but that doesn't make it true or right.
So much ignorance in a single post. Millions of people have not died because of a SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS. They died because they had aholes in charge. Communism has been proven to not be effective in modern times, however, neither has pure capitalism. The majority of the free world operates under social capitalism including the US, we just haven't caught up in the areas of healthcare, education, and utilities.
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atomicxl
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18. October 2008 @ 13:39 |
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You need DRM because you don't want to give them the impression that you're totally ok with people stealing your game. Even if you know it will be cracked, it will be pirated, and still sell well. You never want to stand up and tell people that you don't mind whether they steal your game or not... especially if you depend on game sales to stay afloat as a company.
As far as people pirating because of DRM... total BS. Games were getting pirated when there wasn't DRM. You could releases a non-DRM game and it still be pirated to hell.
DRM is not the cause of piracy, its just the excuse people give.
Without it they'd probably say that anything digital should be free and its greedy for companies to be paid for their product, so thats why we pirate.
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18. October 2008 @ 13:52 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
You need DRM because you don't want to give them the impression that you're totally ok with people stealing your game. Even if you know it will be cracked, it will be pirated, and still sell well. You never want to stand up and tell people that you don't mind whether they steal your game or not... especially if you depend on game sales to stay afloat as a company.
As far as people pirating because of DRM... total BS. Games were getting pirated when there wasn't DRM. You could releases a non-DRM game and it still be pirated to hell.
DRM is not the cause of piracy, its just the excuse people give.
Without it they'd probably say that anything digital should be free and its greedy for companies to be paid for their product, so thats why we pirate.
The drm that EA and now Ubisoft with far cry 2 have chosen to adopt Sony made SecuROM has nothing to do with stopping piracy and everything to do with reselling games. Its nothing more than an assault on our rights to resell our media and for this reason every company using Sony's anti-consumer SecuROM should be boycotted.
There are many types of drm that stops casual copying but SecuROM goes one step further, and does little to combat piracy, Sonys malware actually is a less effective DRM than either Starforce or SafeDisc.
Complaining about losses from second hand game resale is nothing new to sony or many other greedy companies even though they have already been paid for the copy they want to be able to get paid for every sale much like sony's part with the RIAA where they want to be paid every time a mp3 is moved from the CD you have already purchased to your iPod, ect.
A great quote from Julio Franco, TechSpot.com would sum up your, John Riccitiello's and sony's attitude.
Weekend Open Forum: DRM in games and music, does it prevent you from buying? Quote:
Nobody on its right mind would dare to defend DRM (Digital rights management) in front of a web crowd, unless you represent one of the few enterprises pushing it forward, of course.
What is this DRM about?
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18. October 2008 @ 14:28 |
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Originally posted by beanos66:
"99.8% don't have a problem"
Another one of those pick a number any number "facts"
Well, 99.8% of North Koreans don't have a problem with their country being communist..that doesn't make it right. When EA goes down in a few years bc of customer outrage at this fatcat CEO, I'll be there pointing and laughing in my best Nelson impression.
Nothing wrong with being a communist. I think it's totalitarianism that you have a beef with. Please take your mid 20th century public school propaganda somewhere else.
At least 23 million people are dead because of Communism.
Over nine million died under socialism.
There is no difference between either of them, because totalitarianism is inherent in their "philosophies."
In order for the arrogant, elitist fascists to force their rancid systems on people who want to be free, they have always and will always be totalitarian.
Maybe this "tolerance for evil" crap is what they teach in universities and Hollyweird these days, but that doesn't make it true or right.
So much ignorance in a single post. Millions of people have not died because of a SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS. They died because they had aholes in charge. Communism has been proven to not be effective in modern times, however, neither has pure capitalism. The majority of the free world operates under social capitalism including the US, we just haven't caught up in the areas of healthcare, education, and utilities.
1. Prior responder: I wasn't the first one to bring up Communism in connection with DRM, so stop distorting.
2. A question in the form of propaganda or talking points is not a question and doesn't deserve an answer.
In order to inflict Communism, you have to strip all freedom from your people, so it's not a system of economics. Every time it's been tried, you get - death, imprisonment and slavery. So why keep trying it? Communism will always have "aholes in charge" because by their nature Communists kill everyone else and take their places.
You can keep trying it all you want, keep beating your heads against the wall, hoping one day it won't hurt, but I prefer to pay attention to history and reality. Just because college professors feed Leftists a bunch of pro-Communist garbage doesn't mean the garbage is true.
If America goes Communist under Obama, yes, it will be evil. It will do evil because it will be under an evil system. It will become like Iraq before liberation and Obama will be the new Hussein.
And on "ignorance:"
Leftists are fascists, and blind to the fact that they are, for the same reason. They're arrogant, elitist and smugly self-assured that only their "viewpoint" is the right one. So they silence and bully all opposition. That's fascism.
Beating up an old woman in New York because she carries a McCain sign, or taking a mentally-challenged man in Georgia from his home without his family's permission and forcing him to vote Obama is fascism.
And in case you haven't noticed, the Left has run out of issues, so the tired old Iraq war harangue just makes them seem pathetic.
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18. October 2008 @ 15:11 |
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"Cry me a river. Seriously though many internet forums and trackers adapt such a concept as well but because EA does it they get a FU? Type it right the first time, with care and it wont be a problem."
:.. Well most of them dont charge me $50 for typo. If they like to go that road thats fine with me, but they lost a customer.
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On topic, i have read the other EA articles regarding Spore and i dont see the problem. I dont like DRM but whats the prob with 3/5 installs? If you buy the game how many installs are you really going to use? If it was one of those DRM kits that really cripple your system, then i could understand an excuse for not buying it, but i havent heard any such reports so as one or two others said, many sound like there using this as an excuse."
well i have 3 computers and install windows every half a year on them... if you can count right you might understand that with 5 install times games wont last long.
Dont know if you live in garbage box or something if you didnt hear that sony:s drm music cd made backdoor which hackers where able to use. Also startforce or securom had genius idea to make new user group in winxp, but litle they knew that it made major backdoor to windows 2000 so how can you trust them on this one? I dont want to make backup of my system so that i can rollback to get securom off. What does that even tell your software if you wont let people uninstall it? Im not intrested in spore at all.. but i was intrested in next ra3. fortunately i can still play ra2 because it didnt have install limit.
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18. October 2008 @ 15:22 |
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^^ deja vu
Now about this sinful DRM trash..
It's spyware
You can't remove it (malware by design)
It can totally screw your hardware and software (starforce can and does cause real physical damage to dvd drives.. people have been compensated financially after threatening legal action for willful damage)
It costs everybody money.. That's the bit that is forgotten.
Every game with this failed DRM on it costs $10 more than it would without it... and BTW.. SecuROM is illegal under California laws regarding malware.
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20. October 2008 @ 05:39 |
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What is the point of the DRM though? The game was leaked to torrent sites and P2P four days before its official launch date, SecuROM or not. The game sold extremely well, and was pirated in unprecedented numbers. So once again, why have the DRM at all
I think thissums it up in a nutshell. There is really no point to trying to securing something because there will always b someone that will break it and defeat it. If the game is great and we have downloaded the pirated version if we enjoy it that much i am sure a lot of us will go and buy it because we have tested it via torrents.
Theres an idea why doesnt the softeare companies realise users should access programs this way and then we will go and buy it if its that good sorta like demo versions.
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20. October 2008 @ 12:25 |
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borhan9, The suits running the corporations do not want to be fair they are really dishonest. They lied and backstabbed to get to where they are and will continue to do so as long as it is profitable. Actually, I bet they will continue until they are stopped. That is who they are, villians. As long as persons buy their tainted products their greed has been vindicated.
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20. October 2008 @ 15:30 |
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Originally posted by BludRayne:
What's truly sad is the honest consumer unknowingly infected their computers with SecuRom.
Very true. If they knew, they wouldn't have bought these DRM infected games. Most people who talk down to us DRM haters never mention the securerom, just "What's wrong with 3 installs? When will we need to install 3 times anyway? This doesn't bother me !!"
But they never mention securerom because they have no clue about it.
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22. October 2008 @ 00:24 |
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It's something I've been saying in the Phoronix forums.
I'm all for the freedom of information, ideas, and... stuff.
I also want to be able to paid for what I love doing. I do support DRM in a small fashion that prevents everyone and their Grandma from copying it and distributing it everywhere. Just keep it where it's at. Let the people that do this just to do this do this. It's been in existence for centuries, it's just more rampant now that the world has a central place of communication.
Obviously something as heavy as what's included in Spore is just out of the question. I think whoever came up with that system should be dragged to a back alley and shot. I'd much more prefer a system of running a secure binary, with a verified key.
I miss the old shareware days...
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