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11. November 2008 @ 14:42 |
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It cost me £10 more, but that was worth it, as I do overclock. For you there's no point buying one.
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gera229
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11. November 2008 @ 14:47 |
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Oh sam but maybe I would try clocking my ram to 1066 when i get it first time ever overclocking but im afraid it might break would it?
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11. November 2008 @ 15:40 |
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No it won't break, but you can't always just SET what speed you want RAM to be, it's a bit more complex than that, which is why I keep telling you to get the 800mhz stuff, as you won't notice the difference.
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gera229
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11. November 2008 @ 17:25 |
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I want to learn overclocking and I want that ram because of how it is. To overclock ram do u need a specific program also or like a cd iso or something? Cuz im a hacker but not an overclocker. I can learn overclocking easily from just a person. And what do u mean it's a bit more complex than just doing it what is required additionally?
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11. November 2008 @ 17:26 |
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I'm not going to tell you how because if you do it wrong, you will damage or destroy hardware.
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gera229
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11. November 2008 @ 17:29 |
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Ok w/e sam ok from another forum they say i don't need the motherboard i want to get if im not an overclocker so which other motherboard would be good. I just hate seeing bad reviews about them. for this motherboard the worst review is only about updating the bios which isn't a hard process for the other ones it something worse i see. so help me find a cheaper motherboard for my pc to be cheaper. thanks. peace.
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11. November 2008 @ 17:31 |
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You're quite right, that board is very fully featured, it isn't all about overclocking, but is certainly built with that in mind. This board will probably be ample for your system:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345
All motherboards will have bad reviews, mostly from retards who don't know how to install drivers or set them up properly.
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gera229
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11. November 2008 @ 17:34 |
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lol well yea. ill keep up with my forum well yea u wnna know my other forum i use? extremeoverclocking.com not to learn about overclocking but to learn facts. U know what pisses me off about the board it sais it only has 1 x16 pci 2.0 slot. And i hate when it says ddr2 1200 makes me think it doesn't support 1066 or 800 mhz memories. I mean i hate seeing just only 1 number i want to see all the mhz numbers it supports.
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gera229
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12. November 2008 @ 00:16 |
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So i need help finding another mobo. can u help me? thanks. peace...
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12. November 2008 @ 05:24 |
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UP TO 1200mhz.
1200mhz isn't even a real memory standard, it's just an overclocked version of other ones.
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gera229
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12. November 2008 @ 10:12 |
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I hate that is sais it only has 1 pci x 16 slot.. is that all i need i thought i need 2.
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12. November 2008 @ 10:42 |
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No, you need a PCIe 2.0 slot, not two actual slots, it's a version number.
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12. November 2008 @ 12:43 |
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so when motherboards show speeds of 1200,1600 and so on then those are overclocked versions of 800 & 1066. Interesting I never knew that.
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12. November 2008 @ 16:45 |
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Yes, but with 1600 it's different, as that's only on DDR3, whereas 1200 is a DDR2 speed.
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boien
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12. November 2008 @ 17:25 |
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so now that brings me to another question.
does that mean the same principles go for CPU's as well ? are there standards and overclocked already cpus as well ? im guessing that as soon as it hits 3.0ghz then anythin gover that is factory OC'd ?
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gera229
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12. November 2008 @ 18:50 |
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Well for cpu's i think it's different. For cpu's they have difference connectors ram doesn't i guess. So liek the duo and quad and some qx they have lg775 socket and the qx 9770 o rqx 9775 tey have lga socket 771 and might not fit the motherboard.
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gera229
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12. November 2008 @ 19:36 |
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In another forum a guy told me that if i have the q9550 my ram won't run over 667mhz no matter what kind i get since or of the q9550 fsb being that way is that true? Yea also is pci x 16 2.0 slot enough for what im getting? So if i was getting daul graphics cards would i need 2 pci x 16 2.0 slots? I'm just asking to learn but im not planning to get daul though.
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12. November 2008 @ 21:27 |
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thats kind of hard to believe i beleive that is the FSB speeds arent the same or if the cpu fsb speed is -lower- than that of the memory, THEN i can see it having problems. but as far as NOT being able to go faster than 667 with a quad core i dont beleive that. i havent checked out any forums but thats just an educated guess on it
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gera229
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13. November 2008 @ 01:27 |
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Well if u overclock ur cpu than it can go higher. cuz ull have higher fsb.
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13. November 2008 @ 10:14 |
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If I were you, you guys should stop giving each other advice, and wait for people with more experience to come back and post - myself, spamual and the likes.
In summary, each TYPE of CPU (for instance, the Q6000 series, the Q9000 series, E8000 series) has the same front side bus speed set as its normal, what they change is the multiplier - this means that, for instance, the Q6600 is 266x9 = 2.4Ghz, the Q6700 = 266x10 = 2.66Ghz.
Again, the Q9450 is 333x8 = 2.66Ghz, the Q9550 is 333x8.5 = 2.83Ghz, and the Q9650 is 333x9 = 3Ghz.
When you overclock, you can't change the multiplier UP to change the speed (you can with extreme edition processors, but they cost $1000+), so you have to change the front side bus speed instead, so for instance, to overclock a Q9450 to 3Ghz, you won't end up with 333x9 like the Q9650, you'll have to use 375x8. The consequence of this is that lots of components are now running at a higher speed, not just the main processor, and consequently that's why things start to get unstable. This is why you need a good (usually expensive) motherboard to overclock, as EVERY part of the board needs to be able to run at a higher speed without causing crashes.
Currently all the processors in this list use Socket LGA775.
E6300,6320,6400,6420,6550,6600,6700,6750,6800,6850
E4300,4400,4500,4600
E2140,2160,2180,2200,2220
E5200...
E7200...
Q6600,6700,6850
Q9300,9400,9450,9550,9650
QX9770
The QX9775 is LGA771, which means it is designed for the twin-processor board, Skulltrail.
Gera, the guy on that forum is wrong. let me explain
In the same way that the CPU speed was a multiplier of the front side bus speed (Normally 333 for a Q9550) , Memory works in exactly the same way. A lot of boards only let you set certain values for the multiplier of memory. The first of those is 2.0 - and clearly, 2.0x333 = 666mhz, so if you used that particular multiplier, you'd have 666mhz memory. BUT, there are others, 2.5, 3.2 and 4.0x are usually what you have - consequently, you could limit yourself to 666mhz memory, OR you could have 800, 1066 or 1333.
Do any of these numbers seem familiar? :)
If this confuses you (it probably will) don't worry, as this process is done AUTOMATICALLY by the motherboard unless you tell it otherwise, so your memory will run at the most appropriate speed without you needing to do anything.
You are right in guessing that the memory speed will go up when you overclock, as the multipliers you can set remain the same - say for instance you overclock your Front Side Bus to 450mhz (which is what I'm using right now) - that leaves you with 2.0x450 = 900mhz, 2.5x450 = 1125mhz, 3.2x450 = 1440mhz and 4.0x450 = 1800mhz. Clearly, since I'm using 1066mhz memory, my only option here is to use the 2.0x, as 1125mhz is a bit too fast for my memory.
More confusing still, you can actually get away with overclocking your memory, as long as you raise the voltage to it - a principle that runs for overclocking all components, CPU, chipset, Memory, the lot. The Balance is finding the fastest speed you can get, without using too high a voltage that fries everything.
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13. November 2008 @ 10:40 |
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im guessing what the guy meant on your forum is that, the minimum needed for the Q9550 will be 667MHz RAM. if you get slower than this, your system may not work.
Some mobos (motherboards) have memory multipliers, called straps, within these straps they will show the rated value of the speed of the ram, which you can choose to run at.
If you lot really do not want to OC (overclock) then, IMO if the 667 ram is the cheapest then get that, that is if you are on a lowe budget. if not, and getting higher rated RAM wont compromise the rest of your core components then go for it.
The thing is, please do not try to overclock yourselves. get a mate who can do it, or really read up on it for months on end. if you are too rash (which i have been many a time) you will end up killing your hardware (which i have done a bit aswell) so please think long and hard.
now as for getting a build next month, do not spec now, trust me. last month for £120 i could have gotten a Q6600, now i need £150. ALOT can change, the prices may even increace (though it seems to be hittin us over the pond more :( )
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gera229
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13. November 2008 @ 18:34 |
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13. November 2008 @ 18:37 |
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That guy is correct, he's said 'all you would need is 667mhz memory' - meaning you can buy that and it will work, not that that's what you HAVE to buy. He was right, you just misinterpreted his post.
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gera229
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13. November 2008 @ 18:39 |
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And spamual that's called sales, male in rebates, and shipping prices. I guess.
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gera229
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13. November 2008 @ 18:40 |
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Sam well if i get higher mhz I think gaming would perform better. sam also u know the mobo for 104$ u showd me can u overclock with it well? And what' it's multiplier?
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