|
Hong Kong pirates selling bootleg Blu-rays on DVDs
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 18 November, 2008
According to a new Wall Street Journal article, Hong Kong based movie pirates have begun selling bootleg Blu-ray films on standard DVDs, using the AVCHD format to fit a 720p film onto a cheap DVD-5.
Although the AVCHD discs only offers 720p and not the full HD 1080p, most consumers cannot tell the difference, and just see it as an upgrade from standard DVD anyways when playing back on ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
Member
|
18. November 2008 @ 19:26 |
Link to this message
|
the people that purchase that stuff are better off buying regular dvds of those pirates. High mods and compression could damage the overall image of the blu-ray.
|
|
Advertisement
|
  |
|
|
Senior Member
|
18. November 2008 @ 19:51 |
Link to this message
|
I finally found myself a signature.
HD movies have been available for a long time on the net and the only real limit is the size of the files.
It doesn't suprise me in the least that the pirates are putting HD movies on standard DVD disks.
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
18. November 2008 @ 21:05 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
High mods and compression could damage the overall image of the blu-ray.
What? care to elaborate...
|
|
cousinkix
Inactive
|
18. November 2008 @ 22:59 |
Link to this message
|
And just how many of these pirated DVDs were burned with a SONY machine that is made by one of those HollyWood movie studio's own affiliate company? I gotta niece who used to rent movies at Blockbuster. She made illegal copies (for her own library) using a SONY VAIO computer, DVD burner and disks...
|
|
fgamer
Suspended permanently
|
18. November 2008 @ 23:28 |
Link to this message
|
I mean the movies still wont be in HD because the DVD is still being displayed in 480i/p.
|
Staff Member
4 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 00:01 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by fgamer:
I mean the movies still wont be in HD because the DVD is still being displayed in 480i/p.
Not true, its displays in 720p, usually 1280x540 or something similar.
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
19. November 2008 @ 00:20 |
Link to this message
|
Good on em.. way to go Hong Kong pirates 
Lets screw these MPAA bastards into the ground.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 00:24
|
|
plazma247
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 02:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
|
|
domie
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 06:31 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Although AVCHD only offers 720p and not the full HD 1080p, most consumers cannot tell the difference, and just see it as an upgrade from standard DVD anyways.
This is totally incorrect - it may be that the films pirated in this case on single layer dvds are only 720p but most AVCHD movies released by groups on newzbin etc are full 1080p picture with dts sound - obviously around 8 GB and being burned on to dual layerDVD-9.
Another point worth mentioning is that these movies are only playable on a unit capable of handling the AVC codec which eliminates all standard dvd players from the equation and in most cases means the Sony PS3.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 06:49
|
|
domie
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 06:34 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Leningrad:
the people that purchase that stuff are better off buying regular dvds of those pirates. High mods and compression could damage the overall image of the blu-ray.
then you've obviously never downloaded a 720p or 1080p AVCHD movie - if you had you wouldn't make that comment - the quality is significantly better than a standard dvd and not far removed from a blu ray disc - it uses the same codec ( AVC ) and simply has additional soundtracks and extras removed so in a lot of cases , there is very little or no compression at all , especially on DVD-9 releases.
|
Senior Member
5 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 09:13 |
Link to this message
|
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 10:47
|
|
error5
Senior Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 09:17 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by domie:
Another point worth mentioning is that these movies are only playable on a unit capable of handling the AVC codec which eliminates all standard dvd players from the equation and in most cases means the Sony PS3.
Correct domie. The PS3 and most current-gen standalones are able to handle these AVCHD discs - not regular DVD players.
Worth mentioning is the fact that US Customs are hot on the trail of these pirated discs and anyone bringing them into the US are at risk of hefty fines.
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?n...t=51156&start=0
Non-US citizens are at risk of having their visas revoked and having themselves deported.
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007...071225opi3.html
|
Staff Member
4 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 10:59 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Quote:
Although AVCHD only offers 720p and not the full HD 1080p, most consumers cannot tell the difference, and just see it as an upgrade from standard DVD anyways.
This is totally incorrect - it may be that the films pirated in this case on single layer dvds are only 720p but most AVCHD movies released by groups on newzbin etc are full 1080p picture with dts sound - obviously around 8 GB and being burned on to dual layerDVD-9.
Another point worth mentioning is that these movies are only playable on a unit capable of handling the AVC codec which eliminates all standard dvd players from the equation and in most cases means the Sony PS3.
That is correct, I have updated one typo (making clear that the pirates are using 720p rips to fit on DVD-5 to make even more profit) and have added that you need a Blu-ray player although I thought that was pretty obvious :)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 11:15
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
19. November 2008 @ 11:10 |
Link to this message
|
|
Like the pirates give two hoots about the miniscule US market when they have 1,600,000,000+ potential customers in asia
*giggles*
edit~ team america reference removed lmao!
|
|
juankerr
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 11:41 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by varnull:
Like the pirates give two hoots about the miniscule US market when they have 1,600,000,000+ potential customers in asia
Talk about a minuscule market. How many of those 1.6 B people own a PS3 or an AVCHD capable BluRay standalone?
...or an HDTV for that matter?
Fact remains that majority of the players that can play these discs are in North America and Japan.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 11:48
|
|
SProdigy
Senior Member
5 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 15:54 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by varnull:
Like the pirates give two hoots about the miniscule US market when they have 1,600,000,000+ potential customers in asia
Talk about a minuscule market. How many of those 1.6 B people own a PS3 or an AVCHD capable BluRay standalone?
...or an HDTV for that matter?
Fact remains that majority of the players that can play these discs are in North America and Japan.
LOL.
Thanks for the heads up. Wasn't aware I could get AVCHD rips. Seen alot of other rips that weren't that great (MKV compression of course.)
Which a.b. should I be looking in? ;-)
|
|
jhuk2008
Newbie
|
19. November 2008 @ 16:29 |
Link to this message
|
Or for further research purposes:
1. Rip BluRay with Any DVDHD
3. Use Nero Vision version with Nero 9 to reincode the 40 odd gig movie file to a 1080p DVD-9 or 720P DVD5
.............Enjoy your movie on any Blu Ray Player
Also note the new nero vision can convert most HD file types to a AVCHD
|
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 17:41 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Leningrad:
the people that purchase that stuff are better off buying regular dvds of those pirates. High mods and compression could damage the overall image of the blu-ray.
then you've obviously never downloaded a 720p or 1080p AVCHD movie - if you had you wouldn't make that comment - the quality is significantly better than a standard dvd and not far removed from a blu ray disc - it uses the same codec ( AVC ) and simply has additional soundtracks and extras removed so in a lot of cases , there is very little or no compression at all , especially on DVD-9 releases.
dude, yeah i have. also with a standrard dvd you can use dvd shrink on it compress the film by 1 percent and often the frames will blur out or do other bizarre stuff. im thinking that would be the same thing, perhaps even more since more is being compressed. shrink a dvd to a VCD and you'l see what i mean.
|
Senior Member
5 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 18:06 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Leningrad:
dude, yeah i have. also with a standrard dvd you can use dvd shrink on it compress the film by 1 percent and often the frames will blur out or do other bizarre stuff. im thinking that would be the same thing, perhaps even more since more is being compressed. shrink a dvd to a VCD and you'l see what i mean.
DVDShrink uses a faster transcoding engine. It is not a true two pass encode. This creates artifacts and produces a fairly average video.
Those that know how to compress a Blu-ray correctly are using slow motion search 2 pass encoding with all quality optimisations enabled within the encoding engine.
Shrinking a DVD to VCD is not the same as re-authoring a Blu-ray to fit onto a DVD. DVD to VCD is lowering the resolution to a quarter of the original and you would be using the very old MPEG1 codec. So of course it will look terrible, especially by today's standard. With AVCHD (mini BD disc), it is possible to still retain full 1080p resolution.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. November 2008 @ 18:07
|
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 18:18 |
Link to this message
|
Good post i admit.
But i dont know why people say that a standard DVD player can create a 1080p output if its maximum ouport resolution is 480i. can someone shed some light on this?
|
Senior Member
5 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 18:35 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Leningrad:
Good post i admit.
But i dont know why people say that a standard DVD player can create a 1080p output if its maximum ouport resolution is 480i. can someone shed some light on this?
Hasn't it already been covered that these discs will not play on a standard DVD player? They are authored in the AVCHD standard, which is basically an earlier version of Blu-ray. You still need a Blu-ray player to view these.
I sometimes think that people get the term "DVD" mixed up. DVD (Digital Versatile Disc) is referring to a red laser optical disc format that can be used to store any form of data you like. DVD Video is the term used to reference movie discs.
|
|
atomicxl
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
19. November 2008 @ 21:05 |
Link to this message
|
|
The american industry should have moved to stuff like this. This format probably would have taken off more than some hyper expensive new disc format.
|
|
SProdigy
Senior Member
5 product reviews
|
19. November 2008 @ 21:50 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by atomicxl:
The american industry should have moved to stuff like this. This format probably would have taken off more than some hyper expensive new disc format.
Yes! "Blu-Ray" could've easily been a certified codec/add-on for HDMI DVD players much like Divx is. Think about it, HDMI DVD players can already output 1080p/1080i/720p so why not have the AVCHD codec built in... HD for the price of DVD!
I wouldn't think that the cost would be much more expensive to implement either, seeing as some upconvert players have dropped into the $40-50 price range.
Instead we have inflated prices on players and discs. Fire sales are coming for Black Friday to clear the shelves of stagnant product and old profile players. Beware.
|
|
fgamer
Suspended permanently
|
19. November 2008 @ 21:58 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I mean the movies still wont be in HD because the DVD is still being displayed in 480i/p.
Not true, its displays in 720p, usually 1280x540 or something similar.
Well not the actuall DVD, I mean the player that's being used to display the movie. For instance if you use a DVD player it won't display it in HD, right?
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
Toshibot
Member
|
19. November 2008 @ 22:14 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by fgamer:
Well not the actuall DVD, I mean the player that's being used to display the movie. For instance if you use a DVD player it won't display it in HD, right?
Read the article again.
These discs can't be played on a regular DVD player.
You need a PS3 or a BluRay standalone with AVCHD capability to play these discs.
|
