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stonedawg
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22. November 2008 @ 06:22 |
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i was wondering if you can assist me in applyin this stuff to my 360. i have looked around on the internet but havent found anything that seems helpful...so as always i turn to you guys...i am supposed to get 2 tubes in the mail on monday. but any help will be greatly appreciated....or if you can at least point me to some help..
thanks ahead of time...
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zaid786
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22. November 2008 @ 11:14 |
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If your referring to the x clamp fix, then you only really need a pea sized amount to the cpu or gpu, you don't need to spread it as when you put the heatsinks back on, it'll spread itself.
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stonedawg
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22. November 2008 @ 11:53 |
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yeah,i used the x clamp fix a couple months ago, but for some reason the paste like "dried up" in a since...i was like WTF...so i dont need to spread it or let it sit or anything like that...
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zaid786
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22. November 2008 @ 11:58 |
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If its drying up maybe try a new tube of arctic silver? However, you should apply enough to cover the core of the cpu or gpu, you don't need to spread it, just put the heatsink back on straight after. Oh and make sure the core's are completely clean before you apply the new paste, use white spirit or something similiar.
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stonedawg
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22. November 2008 @ 12:11 |
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i have never heard of white spirit...im assuming a cleaner...but im stationed overseas so i probably cant find that easily...umm..do you suggest a different cleaner or cleaners....thanks man....
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zaid786
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22. November 2008 @ 13:13 |
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|CL|
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22. November 2008 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by stonedawg:
i was wondering if you can assist me in applyin this stuff to my 360. i have looked around on the internet but havent found anything that seems helpful...so as always i turn to you guys...i am supposed to get 2 tubes in the mail on monday. but any help will be greatly appreciated....or if you can at least point me to some help..
thanks ahead of time...
Maybe this will help. Good luck.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=467045
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22. November 2008 @ 19:04 |
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Originally posted by stonedawg:
i have looked around on the internet but havent found anything that seems helpful...so as always i turn to you guys...
Apparently you didn't look that hard
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/rin...x-clamp_fix.htm
Originally posted by zaid786:
If your referring to the x clamp fix, then you only really need a pea sized amount to the cpu or gpu, you don't need to spread it as when you put the heatsinks back on, it'll spread itself.
You're right about the amount but you still need to spread it. You can have some air pockets or spots where the die doesn't come into contact with the paste. This will resuilt in a bubbling expanding air pocket.
Originally posted by zaid786:
If you can't find that then any Isopropyl Alcohol or Acetone product will do too.
You really don't want to use acetone (nail polish remover, paint thinner additive) on it. You will take the finish off the heatsink with acetone and you will take the green coating off the pcb. The best solution is to use rubbing alcohol or isopropyl. I use 91% concentrated isopropyl. It takes a couple q-tips to get microsofts heat-transfer clay off the die, but it does the trick.
When spreading any thermal paste i always use a razor blade. If you use a razor blade you can't possibly do it wrong. You won't have any bare spots and it will be completely flat across the top of the die. They actually taught me this in college, and this is the technique taught in NIIT and computer architecture books.
Also beware of using too much paste. Artic Silver's name is exactly the reason why. It inculdes a tiny amount of silver (micronized silver) to help aid in heat transfer. While this works exceptionally well for it's heat transfer properties, unlike most thermal pastes it can also conduct electricity.
Anyway let us know how it turns out, and if you have any questions.
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Originally posted by |CL|:
Maybe this will help. Good luck.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=467045
WTF this is a pic from the tutorial you posted
Anybody see what is seriously wrong in that picture? He's an effin genius, he put as5 on the top of the ram!
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22. November 2008 @ 23:06 |
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Originally posted by C4RN1:
Originally posted by stonedawg:
i have looked around on the internet but haven?t found anything that seems helpful...so as always I turn to you guys...
Apparently you didn't look that hard
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/rin...x-clamp_fix.htm
Originally posted by zaid786:
If your referring to the x clamp fix, then you only really need a pea sized amount to the cpu or gpu, you don't need to spread it as when you put the heat sinks back on it'll spread itself.
You're right about the amount but you still need to spread it. You can have some air pockets or spots where the die doesn't come into contact with the paste. This will resuilt in a bubbling expanding air pocket.
Originally posted by zaid786:
If you can't find that then any Isopropyl Alcohol or Acetone product will do too.
You really don't want to use acetone (nail polish remover, paint thinner additive) on it. You will take the finish off the heat sink with acetone and you will take the green coating off the pcb. The best solution is to use rubbing alcohol or isopropyl. I use 91% concentrated isopropyl. It takes a couple q-tips to get microsofts heat-transfer clay off the die, but it does the trick.
When spreading any thermal paste i always use a razor blade. If you use a razor blade you can't possibly do it wrong. You won't have any bare spots and it will be completely flat across the top of the die. They actually taught me this in college, and this is the technique taught in NIIT and computer architecture books.
Also beware of using too much paste. Artic Silver's name is exactly the reason why. It inculdes a tiny amount of silver (micronized silver) to help aid in heat transfer. While this works exceptionally well for it's heat transfer properties, unlike most thermal pastes it can also conduct electricity.
Anyway let us know how it turns out, and if you have any questions.
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Originally posted by |CL|:
Maybe this will help. Good luck.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=467045
WTF this is a pic from the tutorial you posted
Anybody see what is seriously wrong in that picture? He's an effin genius, he put as5 on the top of the ram!
OMG Circus Dude ( carnie, circus, what?s' the difference) you are undoubtedly a prick. Although your isopropyl statements are true I am unclear how acetone can remove a machined surface. Surely an applied finish but not a machined surface such as that upon the 360 processors. Again correct about the PCB epoxy but shouldn't harm any traces. I wouldn?t use nail polish remover either, maybe try goo gone and then alcohol. Anyway telling the new guy he "apparently" didn't search well enough is completely the wrong reason to reply to a post. The intent of a forum is to learn and NOT demean. Let?s move on to the razor blade thing..... an experienced hand can do it but no scraping at the dies or anything as this will F7ck up the finish (because of a mechanical force, ie. metal on metal) and create high and low spots(scratches) requiring a thicker layer of AS5 to fill the voids, if not damaging the processors themselves. Also there isn't much a problem with apply artic silver to the ram in the picture as those two bga's are beneath the gpu heat sink. If the layer of compound is the right thickness then heat from them will be transferred to the metal heat sink effectively lowering their temperature. And Circus Dude if you disagree then poking fun at his pics/methods is reDONKEYlous as maybe you should have gave your opinion on why he shouldn't do that instead of chuckling and spitting up cheeze curls.
Stonedawg... pm me if you would like an example of how I do it and we can compare methods constructively instead of being chastised by the kid everyone picked on in high school.
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|CL|
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22. November 2008 @ 23:14 |
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Originally posted by C4RN1:
Originally posted by |CL|:
Maybe this will help. Good luck.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=467045
WTF this is a pic from the tutorial you posted
Anybody see what is seriously wrong in that picture? He's an effin genius, he put as5 on the top of the ram!
You must have failed at reading, or just have no clue what you are talking about.
Quoted from the tutorial
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If your feeling lucky, your welcome to apply the Arctic Silver 5 onto your GDDR3 RAM Chips as well, since the GPU heatsink rests on it as well.
I fail to see where the confusion is there.
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23. November 2008 @ 08:26 |
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Wow you know what bd911, i really don't get what your problem is.
I'm just going to say this.
If a customer brought in a computer with thermal paste (that conducts electrictiy) on their ram that had heatsinks on it, the first thing i would do is take pictures and show other people. Thermal paste shouldn't be applied on a plastic surface. There's specially designed heatsinks with thermal adhesive for just that purpose. I'm sorry, i've earned my certs, I earned my degree and i've been working in the industry for over 5 years. So yes i will correct someone who's wrong, and yes i seem to do it A LOT.
My original response to the question is valid and helpful. I gave the op a link to llammas tutorials. I don't see how throwing a link at him after telling him to search (since it's probably in a sticky) is being mean. Everyone has to learn at some point, obviously your time hasn't come yet.
Yeah, i'm a cocky prick but i'm also helpful. Go ahead and do a search on me and see for yourself. You might find something that will make you finally stop attacking me, but it's doubtful.
Remember this post?
You were so mad at me you started with personal attacks about children and a wife that don't even exist.
Once you've answered one question a thousand times you really don't want to answer it again. You'll see in time, of helping person after person, you will lose your patience. If you don't understand this then you are obviously new to forums.
Also about the acetone, i realize it's not going to destroy any traces or damage the board to effect continuity. I'm just saying acetone is some strong stuff. It goes hand in hand with xylene and toluene. I used to make some pretty potent octane booster using acetone, xylene and toluene. I stopped using the additives because i heard it would start to damage all the rubber parts it came in contact with. It will usually haze plastics and sometimes melt them. Those three chemicals are generally used as a paint thinners.
Now you're saying you want to use that on a pcb? Goodluck, might as well just use gasoline or regular paint thinner. Rubbing alcohol is your best bet. You really can't argue the facts.
One last thing....
Don't get me wrong, i think it's great that someone has tried to conquer the rrod problem by just replacing the thermal paste, but who's to say that they know what they're talking about? There are so many people out there that just don't know what they're doing.
We can take the towel trick for example. Really who in their right mind would let an xbox bake itself? If you were experiencing hardware issues with a laptop, would you try to overheat it? Really it doesn't make any sense. This is what i'm getting at, he could be a certified tech that knows what he's doing and paid good money to have experts teach him, or he could be some kid that hasn't got a clue.
You should now understand what i mean, and how things are. I don't expect everyone to be complete noobs on every subject, but i do expect people to know the difference between right and wrong techniques and practices.
bd911 i don't want to turn these forums into a battle ground because we have a difference of opinion. If you have a problem with me take it up with me elsewhere. I hope i don't have to respond like this again, i hate explaining myself when i shouldn't have to and in the process turning a simple post into a novel. Learn the facts first, then judge.
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23. November 2008 @ 08:57 |
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Well Daddy Circus Dude you clearly didn't read my entire post as I agreed with you in some fashion on most of your "tech", do you have a problem with comprehension? There are classes and certs for that too, ya' know. Basically your rant is hypocrytical. If you correct a newb its okay but if a newb corrects you then its not. Doesn't add up to me. Try ritalin. Also if you are sick and tired of responding to the same old questions then don't respond to the ones that are old news to you. You said you were tired of giving the same response , I feel your pain but telling a new guy he hasn't searched enough or poking fun at his methods is not for you to decide. In my opinion based on your resume above:
(i've earned my certs, I earned my degree and i've been working in the industry for over 5 years)
you are still a newb yourself.
Lastly let me point out the two ram in the pic cannot have special heatsinks applied to them as they reside beneath the original aluminum one. Adding thermal adhesive to these may prove catostrophic if the gpu heatsink ever had to be removed again. My research has shown that a small amount of thermal paste on those two rams does efectively transfer heat to the gpu heatsink without ill effects. (Of course you can use adhesive for the other ram that are exposed).
Finally Circus Man, I know the facts. I learned them when you were still in diapers.
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