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1. December 2008 @ 15:33 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
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1. December 2008 @ 15:48 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
And you'll get the same thing here. What do you expect when you make statements like that without posting any proof.
Without anything to actually prove what you state, you have no credibility.
I have to agree with fgamer....M$ i believe can only tell modded consoles online,my theory is it is to do with the HDD..like the drive it is married to the board .... but what i don't get is why wait so long for banning,iv'e also said it before too...monetary reasons.there is nothing stopping M$ from occasionally looking into your HDD just like any other person can look into our PC's HDD's
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1. December 2008 @ 16:00 |
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Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
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1. December 2008 @ 16:42 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
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1. December 2008 @ 16:54 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
Don't get worked up. No one is trying to flame anyone.
But you first came with statements like "I guarantee" and "MS knows". That's why people jump on what you're saying. If you just have a theroy, then that's a different story.
As for the "proof" you're asking for, jump over to xboxhacker or get on irc. The incoming and outgoing data from the 360 has been captured and examined. There are plenty of threads to support it.
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1. December 2008 @ 17:15 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
to be honest it doesnt matter if ms know more about the 360 the comunication between a 360 and live hasbeen captured and analised by c4eva a google search for 360 live logs will prove what im saying. as for my tone imm dyslexic wording and spelling come hard to me im not trying to be nasty
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1. December 2008 @ 17:24 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
Don't get worked up. No one is trying to flame anyone.
But you first came with statements like "I guarantee" and "MS knows". That's why people jump on what you're saying. If you just have a theroy, then that's a different story.
As for the "proof" you're asking for, jump over to xboxhacker or get on irc. The incoming and outgoing data from the 360 has been captured and examined. There are plenty of threads to support it.
OK I see, I wasn't clear, well I guarantee you Microsoft knows of every modder. When I was saying "THEORY", I was merely being sarcastic. I think you need to understand that no matter what information they say they are capturing and examining, it doesn't really account for anything usefull as to what Microsoft has employed. I really think the only way to truly know the whole picture would be someone from Microsoft's ban squad. (and I don't see that happening)
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1. December 2008 @ 17:53 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
Don't get worked up. No one is trying to flame anyone.
But you first came with statements like "I guarantee" and "MS knows". That's why people jump on what you're saying. If you just have a theroy, then that's a different story.
As for the "proof" you're asking for, jump over to xboxhacker or get on irc. The incoming and outgoing data from the 360 has been captured and examined. There are plenty of threads to support it.
OK I see, I wasn't clear, well I guarantee you Microsoft knows of every modder. When I was saying "THEORY", I was merely being sarcastic. I think you need to understand that no matter what information they say they are capturing and examining, it doesn't really account for anything usefull as to what Microsoft has employed. I really think the only way to truly know the whole picture would be someone from Microsoft's ban squad. (and I don't see that happening)
perhaps we should get back ontopic create a topic with your proof at somepoint :)
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1. December 2008 @ 18:09 |
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Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by mrgreaper:
Originally posted by fgamer:
I had mentioned something similar to this whole check thing, and posted on Xbox-Scene that Microsoft pretty much knew about every modder, and I was completely barraged with moderators and other users telling me that I'm wrong. I stand by what I said then and now, and I'll say it here, Microsoft knows of every console that has been firmware hacked. I guarantee you they only choose a specific amount of people to ban at a given time, and as someone said before, the amount of "red flags" given off in addition.
On topic with this new 1.5 firmware, I highly doubt that it will offer you any additional protection if anything. And it's main focus seems to be the Benq drive. I would hope that the new technique used to flash the Lite-On would be software based, but I'm not holding my breath.
So realistically if not playing an actual pressed retail copy, you'll be exposed regardless of any new firmware. Although I will say, I am excited for the fact that they are making progress on the Lite-On drives. They're very smart people, I'll give them that.
the problem with your theory is the experts have looked at the changes and request the console sends, we know that at the mooment all they check is the security sector
at the moment thhey do not know who has modified firmware stop spreading hysteria :)
Ditto with what was said. the challenge and response answers that are sent to and from our consoles have been examined, and it is common knowledge that MS does NOT know of every single console that has had its firmware hacked. That is a huge statement to make, and unless you can find the code that refutes the current belief, which would act as a proof of concept, then I would think it is safe to say your theory is incorrect.
The code has been analyzed, and no other checks have been discovered. But in all sincerity, if you have the knowledge to backup your claim, do so. If you can prove it, I'm sure it would help in the development of all new firmware.
but i doubt that proof exists
OK, and WHAT PROOF do you have to completely disregard my "theory" as being incorrect? As I said before Microsoft made the Xbox 360 themselves, I'm sure they know more about their system that they built & designed more than some average joe. Now I tend to fall on the side of the persons that built the machine in knowing more about it than some slacker hacker with a lame codename "C4EVA". All I'm saying is, Microsoft has complete controll over your 360 once you put that ethernet cable into the back and introduce it to the world wide internet.
Whether you wanna agree or not, Microsoft has improved even more on the capability of detecting any modifications (whether hardware or software) when they released the recent dash update (NXE). Sure we'll keep hearing people say *it's the disk* *it's the disk* giving off flags, but the truth behind it all is that they know, but only choose who they wanna ban at THEIR time choosing! Heck, some people are still playing on old-old firmwares and passed each ban wave after ban wave. Why? Because they (Microsoft) haven't put them on their boot list yet. You'd be naive and dumb if you think like "well, if they know of every modder then why not ban them ALL?" And the answer to that... is because they're are a business and they think like a business. Not like, ha-ha-ha I found a modder, BAN EM ALL...that's what the regular pimple faced dork would think and do. Now from a business stand point I'd think, well some of these "modders" pay subscription fees and purchase a heck load of content off of LIVE which is proven to be a cash cow, maybe I'll make an example out of so many and keep the rest until their time comes. Then majority of those that are banned will seek to buy another console which generates us more money and then the cycle continues. This is more in depth of what my "theory" is of what's going on, and why people have this false since of protection with these firmwares I will never understand.
Lastly, I remember 8 months or more ago, I had two 360's. Both were modded with the same firmware, one of them set six months with only having played one backup on it. The other I played virtually every last backup you can think of on it. Guess which one got banned and which one didn't? The one that played virtually 1 backup got banned while the other one lasted 2 whole ban waves for about a year or so kickin well on LIVE. So I think it's more to this whole thing than allot of us know. That's all I'm sayin.
Don't get worked up. No one is trying to flame anyone.
But you first came with statements like "I guarantee" and "MS knows". That's why people jump on what you're saying. If you just have a theroy, then that's a different story.
As for the "proof" you're asking for, jump over to xboxhacker or get on irc. The incoming and outgoing data from the 360 has been captured and examined. There are plenty of threads to support it.
OK I see, I wasn't clear, well I guarantee you Microsoft knows of every modder. When I was saying "THEORY", I was merely being sarcastic. I think you need to understand that no matter what information they say they are capturing and examining, it doesn't really account for anything usefull as to what Microsoft has employed. I really think the only way to truly know the whole picture would be someone from Microsoft's ban squad. (and I don't see that happening)
perhaps we should get back ontopic create a topic with your proof at somepoint :)
OK, I'll get back on topic, since the main point of my comment was about the "1.5" firmware which is pretty much on topic. My comments couldn't be any more on topic when the thread title is "New ixtreme 1.5!" Seems pretty broad to me. So try again!
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fgamer.... the proof you are looking for has been quoted above from Bhetrick and Mrgreaper. There is only "so many ways" of doing a certain task when it comes to coding and programming. There is really no "mystery" here as your claims suggest. I would agree that there is definetly some intracies overlooked or not understood by anyone but the M$ insiders. But c4eva and his crew happen to be the best at what they are doing for the xbox scene and I am certain they are no dummies. So to summarize I shall flame you: "fgamer's statements are immature, lack evidence, and cleary come from an inexperiece little f*cking piece of sh*t. Go have your daddy buy you a ps3"...
(probally gonna have to spend some time in the penalty box for that one)
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lol @ above post
I the the whole point of us fgamer is we think you are wrong. We have proof to back up our side of the arguement also. If you are going to make the claims that you are, show us the code which proves it. Otherwise, you just don't have any weight with your arguement and it will be tossed aside.
1.5 should be just as stealth, if not more so, than 1.5. And since right now the firmware for 1.4 can't be detected, 1.5 will most likely not be able to also.
I would imagine the same would be the case with the liteon fw.
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Originally posted by bd911:
fgamer.... the proof you are looking for has been quoted above from Bhetrick and Mrgreaper. There is only "so many ways" of doing a certain task when it comes to coding and programming. There is really no "mystery" here as your claims suggest. I would agree that there is definetly some intracies overlooked or not understood by anyone but the M$ insiders. But c4eva and his crew happen to be the best at what they are doing for the xbox scene and I am certain they are no dummies. So to summarize I shall flame you: "fgamer's statements are immature, lack evidence, and cleary come from an inexperiece little f*cking piece of sh*t. Go have your daddy buy you a ps3"...
(probally gonna have to spend some time in the penalty box for that one)
OK so I'm wrong and you're right because you guys have make believe people that don't know squat about how Microsoft really detects consoles being firm hacked? If you think what I say is immature then I think you showed your maturity well by throwing insults at me the way you did, something I avoided doing because of the respect I have for peoples (although invalid) opinions. What a way to make YOURSELF look dumb! Goodjob buddy.
Anyways, the sources you guys keep mentioning are the same people that come up with a new story everytime the bannings come around. Oh it's the timings..*better update the firmware*..oh it's the ss.bin files being read incorrectly...*better update the firmware*...oh it's the disk sectors being read at the wrong part of the disk..uh oh..*better go update the firmware*. LOL, that to me doesn't seem like someone who actually has knowledge of a damn thing. I'm happy for what C4EVA has done for the Xbox Scene, but seriously can they just tell the truth and let everybody know that Microsoft is not dumb and they do know when you put that silly little firmware on your 360 called "iXtreme". As if the "i" is really an indication of how much more stealth it is when in fact it's not.
If you honestly think what I'm saying has no factual validity then you're wrong, I tend to believe the info that I get, but you continue to believe some randoms named "C4EVA" and actually think that their firmware offers anything other then a big red flag to Microsoft. I'm not hating on them, I'm just saying tell people the truth and stop acting like they got some magical 007 firmware that not even a company that built the machine it's ran on can detect it themselves some way. And there still is "MYSTERIES" to the 360 that no one knows of..but believe what you may, because it's obvious your mind is easily gullible to turtle $*it!! And don't ever insult me by invoking that CrapStation 3, that I sold some time ago :|
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WOW!!!!! someone has a serious case of paranoia coupled with hysteria.
fgamer..... can the government watch you through your cable box, too?, did G W order the planes to crash into the world trade centers? Is Tupac, Biggie Smalls, and Elvis sitting on a beach in the Cayman's drinking colored drinks? Just curious because you seem to have all the facts. I was gonna call 1-800-PSYCHICS but I think you might be a better bet. Please use your inside information and psychic abilities to answer the following: Will my dog Rufus have puppies soon? Thanks for your help, fgamer.
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by bd911:
fgamer.... the proof you are looking for has been quoted above from Bhetrick and Mrgreaper. There is only "so many ways" of doing a certain task when it comes to coding and programming. There is really no "mystery" here as your claims suggest. I would agree that there is definetly some intracies overlooked or not understood by anyone but the M$ insiders. But c4eva and his crew happen to be the best at what they are doing for the xbox scene and I am certain they are no dummies. So to summarize I shall flame you: "fgamer's statements are immature, lack evidence, and cleary come from an inexperiece little f*cking piece of sh*t. Go have your daddy buy you a ps3"...
(probally gonna have to spend some time in the penalty box for that one)
OK so I'm wrong and you're right because you guys have make believe people that don't know squat about how Microsoft really detects consoles being firm hacked? If you think what I say is immature then I think you showed your maturity well by throwing insults at me the way you did, something I avoided doing because of the respect I have for peoples (although invalid) opinions. What a way to make YOURSELF look dumb! Goodjob buddy.
Anyways, the sources you guys keep mentioning are the same people that come up with a new story everytime the bannings come around. Oh it's the timings..*better update the firmware*..oh it's the ss.bin files being read incorrectly...*better update the firmware*...oh it's the disk sectors being read at the wrong part of the disk..uh oh..*better go update the firmware*. LOL, that to me doesn't seem like someone who actually has knowledge of a damn thing. I'm happy for what C4EVA has done for the Xbox Scene, but seriously can they just tell the truth and let everybody know that Microsoft is not dumb and they do know when you put that silly little firmware on your 360 called "iXtreme". As if the "i" is really an indication of how much more stealth it is when in fact it's not.
If you honestly think what I'm saying has no factual validity then you're wrong, I tend to believe the info that I get, but you continue to believe some randoms named "C4EVA" and actually think that their firmware offers anything other then a big red flag to Microsoft. I'm not hating on them, I'm just saying tell people the truth and stop acting like they got some magical 007 firmware that not even a company that built the machine it's ran on can detect it themselves some way. And there still is "MYSTERIES" to the 360 that no one knows of..but believe what you may, because it's obvious your mind is easily gullible to turtle $*it!! And don't ever insult me by invoking that CrapStation 3, that I sold some time ago :|
Listen mate...better stop right there :)
I also belive M$ is picking up something...but i believe it is actually the HDD they are tapping into....but i have no proof of this as it is way over my head.
no-one here is insulting you they would like to see proof,the way i'm looking at it you are throwing the insults especially to the man himself c4eva and his team.....*lol* M$ would pay him some mighty big $$$ to work for them.i have my theory but can't back it up,you have yours and ultimately you say you can back it up...but nothing to date ?? c4eva has proven what he can do...what more can i say....the proof is in the pudding ?
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Originally posted by bd911:
fgamer.... the proof you are looking for has been quoted above from Bhetrick and Mrgreaper. There is only "so many ways" of doing a certain task when it comes to coding and programming. There is really no "mystery" here as your claims suggest. I would agree that there is definetly some intracies overlooked or not understood by anyone but the M$ insiders. But c4eva and his crew happen to be the best at what they are doing for the xbox scene and I am certain they are no dummies. So to summarize I shall flame you: "fgamer's statements are immature, lack evidence, and cleary come from an inexperiece little f*cking piece of sh*t. Go have your daddy buy you a ps3"...
(probally gonna have to spend some time in the penalty box for that one)
OK so I'm wrong and you're right because you guys have make believe people that don't know squat about how Microsoft really detects consoles being firm hacked? If you think what I say is immature then I think you showed your maturity well by throwing insults at me the way you did, something I avoided doing because of the respect I have for peoples (although invalid) opinions. What a way to make YOURSELF look dumb! Goodjob buddy.
Anyways, the sources you guys keep mentioning are the same people that come up with a new story everytime the bannings come around. Oh it's the timings..*better update the firmware*..oh it's the ss.bin files being read incorrectly...*better update the firmware*...oh it's the disk sectors being read at the wrong part of the disk..uh oh..*better go update the firmware*. LOL, that to me doesn't seem like someone who actually has knowledge of a damn thing. I'm happy for what C4EVA has done for the Xbox Scene, but seriously can they just tell the truth and let everybody know that Microsoft is not dumb and they do know when you put that silly little firmware on your 360 called "iXtreme". As if the "i" is really an indication of how much more stealth it is when in fact it's not.
If you honestly think what I'm saying has no factual validity then you're wrong, I tend to believe the info that I get, but you continue to believe some randoms named "C4EVA" and actually think that their firmware offers anything other then a big red flag to Microsoft. I'm not hating on them, I'm just saying tell people the truth and stop acting like they got some magical 007 firmware that not even a company that built the machine it's ran on can detect it themselves some way. And there still is "MYSTERIES" to the 360 that no one knows of..but believe what you may, because it's obvious your mind is easily gullible to turtle $*it!! And don't ever insult me by invoking that CrapStation 3, that I sold some time ago :|
Dude, the firmware is edited everytime because more information is learned each time. When it was learned that each drive can read each ss differently, the new firmware is going to account for that. It's not a matter of just random guessing.
I've been fine listening to what you say, and doing so with an open mind, but now it is getting annoying. You say "if you think what I'm saying has no factual validity, fine, but I believe the info I get" (or something to that effect), it just makes you look ridiculous when you don't offer up that info/proof to back up what you are saying. And then when c4eva and the team has PROOF in the logs showing the challenges/responses, and how the fw handles them, you say he/the team has no proof? That's just ridiculous. I would have to say it is the other way around.
Point being, c4eva and the team has PROOF backing up their claims. Offer up yours or quit making them and quit saying c4eva's claims are "bogus"
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Originally posted by bd911:
WOW!!!!! someone has a serious case of paranoia coupled with hysteria.
fgamer..... can the government watch you through your cable box, too?, did G W order the planes to crash into the world trade centers? Is Tupac, Biggie Smalls, and Elvis sitting on a beach in the Cayman's drinking colored drinks? Just curious because you seem to have all the facts. I was gonna call 1-800-PSYCHICS but I think you might be a better bet. Please use your inside information and psychic abilities to answer the following: Will my dog Rufus have puppies soon? Thanks for your help, fgamer.
your posts crack me up little buddy
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fgamer... I don't even know where to start. I wanted to respond to about 5 of your posts, but everyone already beat me to it. You are ridiculously wrong in every way and your arguments, your "proof" are flat out stupid. If Microsoft knew every console that was modded, they would BAN them. Let me make it real simple for you, when people download or rent games to backup and don't pay for them, Microsoft loses out on revenue that they would otherwise be making. Therefore if they are "thinking like a business" it's in their best interest to get rid of the people who are freeloading and not paying for games (i.e., modding their 360s). It's no wonder the folks at the other forum hated on you so bad, it's no wonder we're hating on you so bad, you're invading a place where people throw out reasonable theories and bounce them off each other and nobody wants to hear you state your "facts". What's it going to be, is everyone else crazy and stupid or are you a little off on your information? Think about it.
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Originally posted by adambar:
fgamer... I don't even know where to start. I wanted to respond to about 5 of your posts, but everyone already beat me to it. You are ridiculously wrong in every way and your arguments, your "proof" are flat out stupid. If Microsoft knew every console that was modded, they would BAN them. Let me make it real simple for you, when people download or rent games to backup and don't pay for them, Microsoft loses out on revenue that they would otherwise be making. Therefore if they are "thinking like a business" it's in their best interest to get rid of the people who are freeloading and not paying for games (i.e., modding their 360s). It's no wonder the folks at the other forum hated on you so bad, it's no wonder we're hating on you so bad, you're invading a place where people throw out reasonable theories and bounce them off each other and nobody wants to hear you state your "facts". What's it going to be, is everyone else crazy and stupid or are you a little off on your information? Think about it.
Actually, no one hated me on Xbox-Scene, and in fact the moderators and other users kindly disagreed with me offering their point of view (except 1 or 2 users who indulged in insults) and stated their opinions. Unlike here of course, where people throw out lame attacks and non-funny wannabe punchliners to help prove a point that's lacking the substance of an actutal point! Another interesting thing I read on MajorNelsons website was around the time the initial bannings started this past November. He made a comment saying:
"In our our continued effort to keep gameplay safe and secure for our community of more than 14 million members, Microsoft has taken action against a SMALLpercentage of Xbox 360 consoles that have been illegally modified in order to play pirated games. You should know that modifying your Xbox 360 console is also a violation of the Xbox Live terms of use, will void your warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live."
http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/11/1...le-banning.aspx
For them to say a "small" percentage of 360's being modified, that leads me to believe that part of my **"theory"** (as people here like to call my comments) rings truth, that they actually ban so many (for whatever reason, if you don't believe my "business" view of course). They know of lets say 99.9% but choose the bannings at a time of their choosing and when it's financially sound. Plain and simple, laugh at my comments all you want, but the fact of the matter is, people aren't as dumb and naive as you may think they are.
Lastly, Microsoft may be at a loss with some of these people not buying games but you're missing the point of it all. They're thinking, once a hacker always a hacker. But you still fail to recognize that they're going off of a business prospective on things. They're still able to recoup cost of piracy in some form of microtransaction, whether you wanna believe it or not it's an additional form of revenue stream, if they ban them all it would be more over lose-lose for them.
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"In our our continued effort to keep gameplay safe and secure for our community of more than 14 million members, Microsoft has taken action against a SMALLpercentage of Xbox 360 consoles that have been illegally modified in order to play pirated games. You should know that modifying your Xbox 360 console is also a violation of the Xbox Live terms of use, will void your warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live."
I think you are misreading this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you reading it as if they are only taking action against a small percentage of those consoles that have been modified? Because I am pretty sure that the headline (which I have read previously) is saying they are banning modified consoles which only make up a small percentage of the total number of consoles in use. I hate to hammer this point, but there is no logic to only banning certain random 360s.
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Let's be honest here. M$ will not release how they detect modded systems and you can you guarantee that M$ did not cover all the security holes (frankly, the DVD fw was left wide open). Hypervisor is another story and you'll notice we're not all running XBMC360 :).
Speaking as a graphics hardware designer, the space is huge and covering all those security holes is complicated, expensive, and will hit your product schedule. We constantly sit down with our designs and say, "well, I suppose if someone had access to good equipment and knew where to probe, etc".
This is where hackers come in, and I'm always amazed at what they find. And usually at the root of it are a few people with access to some fancy tester equipment. Once the first holes are discovered, it's just a matter of time before the device is compromised.
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its 4:30am, or close to it. I cant sleep and i havnt been on the forums in days, and i see this post. I actually read close to every post made. Usually i just skim to get the point. You guys are going to love me for this, but I agree with him, to a point. I am not going to go into detail, however i believe that M$ does know who is modded and who isn't as we speak. I said it a couple of times back when the ban wave hit. And its kind've funny to see that post from major nelson. I had the same thing occur, 2 boxes at my house, same exact games, isp, you name it, one got banned and one didn't. Why? because they are picking and choosing. Also, I am not trying to start a war on here, god knows i like most of ya, but Do you think the guys at M$ dont know what a fourm is? or how to use the search button? All of C4EVA's work is everywhere, all they would have to do is throw some programmers on it an we could all be done....if they haven't already... Like i said, i wont go into detail, but i agree with this guy, like it or not, I think they know. There I said it, now you have two punching bags, and before you post, no i dont have proof yet, I am waiting on Bill to call me back.
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You never know, this guy could be right. What if they don't ban every firmware flashed 360 at once because they don't want you to know that they can see every modded console? If they banned every single one at once, then everyone would know that the firmware has been compromised, so then the people that work on it would look at it carefully and since they are good at exploiting it in the first place, they would be able to find out what they could do to fix it. Then Microsoft would have to find a new way to detect the modded consoles. But if they pick them off a few at a time, then there isn't a huge widespread effect that would make people take another look at the firmware that is out now.
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this is just speculation, and it should not be taken to fact! c4eva has released PROOF OF CONCEPT proving what he says. Backing up how the firmware works and defeats current MS security. The logs are available anywhere online.
Again, it is ridiculous to make some pretty big statement like some of you are saying, and then not having a single bit of solid evidence to back it up. Show us the code! I'm saying this with an open mind (not some fanboyish mind). If you can prove what you're saying, then I will be much more inclined to accept it.
However, c4eva & team has released their proof, and nothing has been out to the contrary. Unless we get something either proving them wrong, or more code showing additional checks, this "theory" of MS detecting everyone is just baseless.
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12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
Now I'm sure most people won't understand the above, but c4eva has confirmed that there are no changes in the checks performed by MS.
Just thought I would go ahead and post the log of all the information sent to and from the 360. Here's the chance, show us where it is.
need jtag help? Xbox 360 console repair? PM me or chatThis message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. December 2008 @ 08:27
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just because there isn't any changes in what is being sent and recieved guesswho, dosn't mean they havnt known all along. If they have, then there wouldn't be a need to change anything. I am not 100% sure that they do or dont know, but I think both partys need to try to have an open mind about the subject.
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