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2. December 2008 @ 09:14 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
Lastly, Microsoft may be at a loss with some of these people not buying games but you're missing the point of it all. They're thinking, once a hacker always a hacker. But you still fail to recognize that they're going off of a business prospective on things. They're still able to recoup cost of piracy in some form of microtransaction, whether you wanna believe it or not it's an additional form of revenue stream, if they ban them all it would be more over lose-lose for them.
Stop and reread what you wrote here, then think about it.
That is terrible logic. MS makes 10x the profit from games than microtransactions.
Using your theory, MS doesn't mind losing $10 from a game sale because they may make $1 later from a map pack. How is that business-smart?
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2. December 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Originally posted by Homesick2:
but I think both partys need to try to have an open mind about the subject.
Well said. That's it right there.
And for the most part, everyone does discuss this topic open minded. What has worked everyone up is fgamers stated-as-fact approach which is just the opposite of being open minded.
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2. December 2008 @ 09:35 |
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Originally posted by Homesick2:
just because there isn't any changes in what is being sent and recieved guesswho, dosn't mean they havnt known all along. If they have, then there wouldn't be a need to change anything. I am not 100% sure that they do or dont know, but I think both partys need to try to have an open mind about the subject.
True, there might not have been any changes if it were to have been detected since the beginning, but that isn't happening. I pasted all the code that is sent to and from the 360. All the code has been analyzed and determined that currently there are no firmware checks. That is why I believe this "microsoft always knows" theory is incorrect. This code proves that there is no firmware check.
If you can show me within the code where there is a fw check, or can show me new code that has a fw check in it, I am all ears and willing to listen.
I think until that proof comes though, then this "ms always knows" theory is wrong.
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2. December 2008 @ 12:25 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by fgamer:
Lastly, Microsoft may be at a loss with some of these people not buying games but you're missing the point of it all. They're thinking, once a hacker always a hacker. But you still fail to recognize that they're going off of a business prospective on things. They're still able to recoup cost of piracy in some form of microtransaction, whether you wanna believe it or not it's an additional form of revenue stream, if they ban them all it would be more over lose-lose for them.
Stop and reread what you wrote here, then think about it.
That is terrible logic. MS makes 10x the profit from games than microtransactions.
Using your theory, MS doesn't mind losing $10 from a game sale because they may make $1 later from a map pack. How is that business-smart?
OK, in microtransactions I don't mean just map packs, be serious. I'm talking about all content as a whole. I'm sorry but if people can't use simple common sense and other information that we know is out there that Microsoft trully knows then you're very ignorant. Microsoft has the biggest brains when it comes down to this stuff, sure you may exploit them somewhere but at the end of the day, they manage to stay a step or two ahead. Just like another poster said, it's not that difficult for Microsoft to download the "iXtreme" firmware have some programmers/coders to look at it and find huge holes in it. How would C4EVA know every last hole that existed if they're the ones making the hacked firm? Microsoft isn't gonna tell them what holes are found in it! It's just like Microsofts operatin system(s), people find holes in it and Microsoft is made aware of it therefore releasing patches. Unlike C4EVA who doesn't have a huge amount of people looking at the firm telling them what holes is in "iXtreme." And I'm not saying all holes are detected by outside sources but most of them are. Long story short, keep thinking Microsoft's dumb dumb chicken little, because they're not.
I'm not riding Microsoft ballzs but I'm just tired of this, *they don't know crap* Also, adambar (i suppose it could be looked at both ways as to what Major Nelson said)
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2. December 2008 @ 13:39 |
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Well, no kidding there's more than map packs. I was using that as an example. Common sence would have told you that.
I tried to be reasonable with you, but you're just making it too hard. You're being way to closed-minded.
There's no "secret code" within the code. The modders have analized the firmware and the incoming/outgoing data. How else can MS get info?
Does it magically turn in to a whisp of smoke and ride the winds back to hq?
Anyhow, this thread has turned pointless because it's like arguing with a 5 year old.
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2. December 2008 @ 14:20 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
watching.
Yeah me too, seems like a flame war here.
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2. December 2008 @ 14:29 |
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It really is starting to seem like a flame war.
@fgamer
I've addressed all of my comments at you. I've posted all the code that is sent from MS to the xbox and vice versa. I show where c4eva and his team has analyzed it all and shown where the challenges and everything is within the code.
There is nothing to prove what you are saying. Address this fact. Show me the code proving your side, and then we will listen.
Show us the (money) proof otherwise quit posting about that until you can back it up.
Don't skip my response to you again (for the 5th time[or so]).
And actually, if you are going to address them, please make it in a new thread so this one can get back on topic about 1.5 and all news relating to it.
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2. December 2008 @ 15:37 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Well, no kidding there's more than map packs. I was using that as an example. Common sence would have told you that.
I tried to be reasonable with you, but you're just making it too hard. You're being way to closed-minded.
There's no "secret code" within the code. The modders have analized the firmware and the incoming/outgoing data. How else can MS get info?
Does it magically turn in to a whisp of smoke and ride the winds back to hq?
Anyhow, this thread has turned pointless because it's like arguing with a 5 year old.
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well like i have stated it hasn't anything to do with the firmware,thats all good.You ask how M$ are getting info,well like i also stated i believe they are reading your HDD which to a certain degreee is married to your motherboard as well....now i am like fgamer....i have no proof of this,it's a theory..or if you like an open minded suggestion,anyrate back to your original question..about M$ getting info...most likely violating their own ToS and most countries prviacy laws and tapping into the 360's HDD...my thoughts/theories only.and no i can't back them up....can someone verify if my thoughts or theory on this is possible by M$ ?
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2. December 2008 @ 18:29 |
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heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
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2. December 2008 @ 18:57 |
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More importantly, it better not be a gay marriage.
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2. December 2008 @ 19:21 |
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Hey, guys. This may not even be relevant, but there was a situation a while back with Bell ExpressVu satellite receivers in Canada. Receivers were "modded" and Bell could detect through regular updates that ran through the phone line. Their system apparently "acknowledged" every modified signal returned from the receiver. This went on for months until they had a heavy number of modded receivers active (I believe it was Superbowl Sunday 2 years ago) and sent a "bullet" to each receiver - basically bricking the unit. When more was uncovered it sounded like BEV knew EVERY receiver that was modded and just waited until they could fry a higher number. I'm totally new to this, but it kinda seems the same way. Wait till you can fry thousands of receivers - almost like making a statement and sticking it to the modders.
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2. December 2008 @ 20:00 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
It's almost like your rom drive with out the key it won't work...now iknow the HDD doesn't have a key but lets just say as a figure of speech shall we...the HDD is linked to the mobo....have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
Now like iv'e said memory is bad..a friend had to re-format his 60GB HDD and it asked for the consoles serial #...correct me if i'm wrong but i never ever remember the old 20GB or the 120GB HDD's ever asking for consoles serial # before re-formatting.
In laymens terms also if my theory above is not feasable it would be like a PC..a person with the know how can tap in to your system and take a look see at what you have on your HDD
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2. December 2008 @ 20:12 |
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Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
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2. December 2008 @ 20:32 |
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Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
couldn't do it with any of mine *shrugs*....so well...i dunno.
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2. December 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
couldn't do it with any of mine *shrugs*....so well...i dunno.
I have never had a problem switching hard drives. I think you might be mistaken. I sell refurbs and sometimes when I am out of stock of the hardrives I use my own personal ones to test the refurb's ability to recognize a hard drive.
Also I think M$ advocates traveling with your hard drive or memory card to quick use on another console.
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2. December 2008 @ 21:23 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
couldn't do it with any of mine *shrugs*....so well...i dunno.
I have never had a problem switching hard drives. I think you might be mistaken. I sell refurbs and sometimes when I am out of stock of the hardrives I use my own personal ones to test the refurb's ability to recognize a hard drive.
Also I think M$ advocates traveling with your hard drive or memory card to quick use on another console.
Ok ....must be me then....has it always been that you have to enter your consoles serial # when you do have to do a formatt on HDD ?
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2. December 2008 @ 22:21 |
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Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
couldn't do it with any of mine *shrugs*....so well...i dunno.
I have never had a problem switching hard drives. I think you might be mistaken. I sell refurbs and sometimes when I am out of stock of the hardrives I use my own personal ones to test the refurb's ability to recognize a hard drive.
Also I think M$ advocates traveling with your hard drive or memory card to quick use on another console.
Ok ....must be me then....has it always been that you have to enter your consoles serial # when you do have to do a formatt on HDD ?
Ok guy, first off you're both right. You do have to enter the consoles serial number in order to format the HDD. But, you can just swap your HDD to another console to play. You can even play your DLC on this other console as long as your profile that you bought said DLC is signed into Xbox Live.
The HDD does contain a SS.bin file. It's required to have a 120GB SS.bin file in order to make your own 120 GB HDD with a Western Digital 2.5 HDD
But, so far no one has been banned due to using a different HDD's ss.bin file.
I hope this ends all the talk about the HDD being tied to a particular 360.
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3. December 2008 @ 01:13 |
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Originally posted by PS2Menace:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by CawkFour:
Originally posted by heraldsun:
Originally posted by bd911:
heraldson.... how is the hdd married to the motherboard?
have you ever tried to use another HDD on someone elses console...don't quote me as my memory is not all that good..it asks you to format HDD to be able to game save,take it off that console and put it back on original console and it picks up all data on the HDD..
i've switched my 120gig HD from 2 different 360's and it was as easy as taking it off and placing it on another 360. saved just fine.
couldn't do it with any of mine *shrugs*....so well...i dunno.
I have never had a problem switching hard drives. I think you might be mistaken. I sell refurbs and sometimes when I am out of stock of the hardrives I use my own personal ones to test the refurb's ability to recognize a hard drive.
Also I think M$ advocates traveling with your hard drive or memory card to quick use on another console.
Ok ....must be me then....has it always been that you have to enter your consoles serial # when you do have to do a formatt on HDD ?
Ok guy, first off you're both right. You do have to enter the consoles serial number in order to format the HDD. But, you can just swap your HDD to another console to play. You can even play your DLC on this other console as long as your profile that you bought said DLC is signed into Xbox Live.
The HDD does contain a SS.bin file. It's required to have a 120GB SS.bin file in order to make your own 120 GB HDD with a Western Digital 2.5 HDD
But, so far no one has been banned due to using a different HDD's ss.bin file.
I hope this ends all the talk about the HDD being tied to a particular 360.
OK bloke thanks for that....very interesting,but no i personally don't think it will end the talk about the HDD...it will with me...end..I wasn't talking as such as switching HDD's just to see if it unbans you as i know it doesn't.I was actually refering that maybe M$ are... lets say hacking into our 360"s HDD for a look see for any betas or pre-release games played online before street date.more or less like PC hacking...where people can take a peekaboo of all your files you have on a HDD with windows based OS.
This was only just a theory....like i said i have nothing to back my theory up also i don't use live so obviously the ban hammer doesn't hit me so i can't offer any more than my theory...although other live gamers have put some items with very good descriptions and links to back their theories and facts up.
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3. December 2008 @ 03:28 |
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I'm sure M$ knows more about modded consoles and only selects some to be banned. But 100%? No Way! You are giving them way too much credit. I mean, these are the people responsible for Vista!
Here's what I can tell you; the *top* of the request list for nex-gen consoles is dominated by seriously fancy security features.
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3. December 2008 @ 09:31 |
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Originally posted by Phot0n:
I mean, these are the people responsible for Vista!
lol that almost makes me want to give up on my argument. i mean that line really hurts the defensive team. :)
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3. December 2008 @ 16:33 |
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they do know when you have played games and what not, that is not a secret. Your achievements all have dates on them and all that information is saved on their servers. They are updates whenever you are connected to live.
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3. December 2008 @ 16:40 |
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whats the ETA for iextreme 1.5 yet?
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3. December 2008 @ 17:04 |
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Originally posted by johncchc:
whats the ETA for iextreme 1.5 yet?
Lol johncchc, I'm sure he'd edit the threat title is there was an ETA... At least I hoped he would. ;)
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3. December 2008 @ 17:59 |
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Listen everyone I would truly like to know on any updates on being able to flash (without having to buy other crap and read keys etc...) the liteon drive which is what i have in my new 360 arcade console. This information would help me decide if I want to return my xbox or not and if it was just a waste of money. Just last week I had modded my friends samsung MS28 firmware with the ixtreme firmware and it worked fine (still have to test backups of games). It would just make a big difference to me if i wasted my money.
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3. December 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Originally posted by dojorno:
Listen everyone I would truly like to know on any updates on being able to flash (without having to buy other crap and read keys etc...) the liteon drive which is what i have in my new 360 arcade console. This information would help me decide if I want to return my xbox or not and if it was just a waste of money. Just last week I had modded my friends samsung MS28 firmware with the ixtreme firmware and it worked fine (still have to test backups of games). It would just make a big difference to me if i wasted my money.
No you haven't wasted your money....Be Patient, I know this for a Fact as well as many others on here....No ETA..but it was mentioned that there will also be something in the f/w in time for christmas...that part is ...your guess is as good as mine
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