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Canadians to pay much more for blank CDs
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 14 December, 2008
Buyers in Canada will soon be faced with higher prices for blank CDs (CD-Rs), as the Canadian Copyright Board has just increased the levy on the media in an effort to "compensate the music industry for potential duplication of copyrighted material."
The new levies will increase by 38 percent, to 29 cents. The first levy was implemented in 1999 with the intention of helping to compensate ... [ read the full article ]
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Cliff1
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15. December 2008 @ 15:09 |
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Yep, and just watch this is a new and larger tax levy on the retail price of CD's in order to pay the royalty charges for access to artists and labels works!
Later on the RIAA, CRB and CRIA will have their lobbyists trying to add additional levies, taxes fines as a legal right for them to collect on their copyrighted works - with no mention of the fees they are collecting off of the retail sales of CDs they collect in this country Canada, it will be as if it doesn't exist, like lat time Industry Minister Jim Prentice made no mention of the money and royalty fees that were being collected from sales of CDs wherby the tax was collected from comsumers!
These folks including our government think we are naive and will come flying open wallets in hand waiting and willing to get screwed!
I am getting sick of this manipulation and gouging and the sooner we push to get rid of these type of agencies that do noting for anyone but line their own pockets the better!
Artists are not getting paid fairly and these agencies have not helped that situation in 50 years we ought to ask our govrnments to abolish these blood suckers!
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15. December 2008 @ 15:16 |
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I guess they have not of DVD,BD,flash drives and what not, frankly if a government has fair and open fair use rights for its population I would support taxing blank media, industry can not have it both ways...... either ban it gaining the ire of larger industrys or tax it and let the populace do what they want.
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susieqbbb
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15. December 2008 @ 16:04 |
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This is funny.
You raise the rates of blank media then people will just go online and purchase there media from a outside source and tell you where to go.
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15. December 2008 @ 16:09 |
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Originally posted by susieqbbb:
This is funny.
You raise the rates of blank media then people will just go online and purchase there media from a outside source and tell you where to go.
Which can be offset with levys against importing goods,confiscating those goods and reselling them.
But frankly CDs are passe...
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ads
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15. December 2008 @ 17:48 |
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They want to add the levy to dvds as well... and not to blu-ray... Go figur...
ah money grab.. what a pain in the ass... i bought a pack of cds and still have 98 left.. go 2 cds in the last 2 years.. wahoo.... dvds i burn throught though 100 last me 1 month but I dont backup data to them to much of a hassle easyer to just buy a drive and clone it instead..
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15. December 2008 @ 17:51 |
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Originally posted by ads:
They want to add the levy to dvds as well... and not to blu-ray... Go figur...
ah money grab.. what a pain in the ass... i bought a pack of cds and still have 98 left.. go 2 cds in the last 2 years.. wahoo.... dvds i burn throught though 100 last me 1 month but I dont backup data to them to much of a hassle easyer to just buy a drive and clone it instead..
Sin taxes are meant to mitigate a right, by pushing for heavy CP reform and taxes thats a ridiculous double whammy the p[people should not stand for.
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windsong
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15. December 2008 @ 18:56 |
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Originally posted by ads:
They want to add the levy to dvds as well... and not to blu-ray... Go figur...
ah money grab.. what a pain in the ass... i bought a pack of cds and still have 98 left.. go 2 cds in the last 2 years.. wahoo.... dvds i burn throught though 100 last me 1 month but I dont backup data to them to much of a hassle easyer to just buy a drive and clone it instead..
How do you "clone" a drive? Any apps?
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Blessedon
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15. December 2008 @ 19:01 |
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If I burn my music to a CD for which I paid a tax that was paid to a private company;
Doesn't that make my music CD legal because the company has now received fair compensation?
Why couldn't I argue in court that I have already paid them?
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15. December 2008 @ 19:03 |
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Originally posted by ads:
They want to add the levy to dvds as well... and not to blu-ray... Go figur...
ah money grab.. what a pain in the ass... i bought a pack of cds and still have 98 left.. go 2 cds in the last 2 years.. wahoo.... dvds i burn throught though 100 last me 1 month but I dont backup data to them to much of a hassle easyer to just buy a drive and clone it instead..
How do you "clone" a drive? Any apps?
Cloning a hard drive is easy..but ze data...is.....redundant.....
LOL
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16. December 2008 @ 04:04 |
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What if you purchase them online? Do they add it to the total.
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lvhawk
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16. December 2008 @ 09:23 |
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This is a perfect opportunity for the blackmarket to shine. Screw the tax, go to your local fleamarket. Better yet, this would make a good investment opportunity, buy up a couple hundred dollars worth, wait til the tax is applied, sell at your local fleamarket. What a great country!
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16. December 2008 @ 13:40 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by ads:
They want to add the levy to dvds as well... and not to blu-ray... Go figur...
ah money grab.. what a pain in the ass... i bought a pack of cds and still have 98 left.. go 2 cds in the last 2 years.. wahoo.... dvds i burn throught though 100 last me 1 month but I dont backup data to them to much of a hassle easyer to just buy a drive and clone it instead..
How do you "clone" a drive? Any apps?
If you are looking to "clone" a drive, here are some suggestions:
Acronis True Image will make an exact copy of your hard drive...boot sector and all! It works great on XP (have not tried it on Vista).
Here is the link to their site: http://www.acronis.com/
If you want to just copy your data from one hard drive to another
without copying the "operating system", a good program called "TeraCopy" works good for that. It allows a "buffer" to ensure that
when your files are copied they are complete. If it has an error during the copy process it will tell you. Here is there website:
http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php (free for home users).
Hope this helps!
Cheers!
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16. December 2008 @ 15:07 |
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So now I'm paying for the right to duplicate copyrighted material? Thanks for the encouragement Copyright Board of Canada!
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subpopz
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16. December 2008 @ 16:36 |
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CD's are now an outdated media. Who seriously does a ton of 'backing-up' music on to CD's anymore?
I can slap many, many more times the amount of songs on a digital media card (which costs substantially less than CD's)
What I'm saying is....who cares?
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Blessedon
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16. December 2008 @ 17:38 |
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Originally posted by subpopz:
Who seriously does a ton of 'backing-up' music on to CD's anymore?
I can slap many, many more times the amount of songs on a digital media card (which costs substantially less than CD's)
What I'm saying is....who cares?
I care. I have CD players. I have CDs. I like the medium and I intend to keep it.
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16. December 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Originally posted by subpopz:
CD's are now an outdated media. Who seriously does a ton of 'backing-up' music on to CD's anymore?
I can slap many, many more times the amount of songs on a digital media card (which costs substantially less than CD's)
What I'm saying is....who cares?
...Wow! Where do you shop! LOL!
I do agree that CD's are outdated media, but they are a lot cheaper
than a digital media card! You must be using the "new math" system...
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Just do the cost per mb...
On the web I found 100 cd's for $38.00 (this is still too high!)
http://www.universaltapes.com/prod-cdr-inkjet/TYCDR80P.html
And I found storage cards here (these are ok prices):
http://www.meritline.com/sdhc-card1.html...CFRg6awodwjKPSA
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So 1 cd can store 700mb at the cost of .38 cents.
2 cd's can store 1.4 gig = .76 cents.
3 cd's can store 2.1 gig = $1.14
4 cd's can store 2.8 gig = $1.52
5 cd's can store 3.5 gig = $1.90
6 cd's can store 4.2 gig = $2.28
7 cd's can store 4.9 gig = $2.66
8 cd's can store 5.6 gig = $3.04
9 cd's can store 6.3 gig = $3.42
10 cd's can store 7.0 gig = $3.80
20 cd's can store 14.0 gig = $7.60
... and so on.
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Look, CD's are a cheap media and they are still beating (cost/mb)
with any digital media card (cost/mb)...that I can find.
-Also not that digital media cards -can- loose their "memory" and
become corrupt over time..."bleading" seems to occur as one issue.
Just "google" for it...there are examples all over the web...example:
http://forums.dvdfile.com/game-hardware/...rd-corrupt.html
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If you don't enjoy listening to your earlier music you have collected
and keep *reusing* your digital media cards to put on your new music,
yes...it is cheaper. But if you are going to "archive" your music, so
you can listen to it later...in about 10 years, your "burned" CD will
"most likely" out perform your digital media card - due to "zero"
chances of "memory leaks" or "bleeding" that might happen!
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Cheers!
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16. December 2008 @ 18:25 |
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All i say is 'meh' I don't really care If I have to pay this levy. I'm still able to download copyright material so long as I don't share it. (it's safely stored in an encrypted hidden folder in an external hard drive...all 100+ gigs of it! This doesn't bother me any, but I do sympathize with those that it does affect especially with the economy the way it is right now.
Here's a question and something AD should look into: With the economy tanking, will that result in a significant increase in piracy and torrent downloads?
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16. December 2008 @ 18:52 |
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Originally posted by XENON:
All i say is 'meh' I don't really care If I have to pay this levy. I'm still able to download copyright material so long as I don't share it. (it's safely stored in an encrypted hidden folder in an external hard drive...all 100+ gigs of it! This doesn't bother me any, but I do sympathize with those that it does affect especially with the economy the way it is right now.
Here's a question and something AD should look into: With the economy tanking, will that result in a significant increase in piracy and torrent downloads?
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History has shown whenever the economy is tanking, people try to save where they can. Downloads and Piracy of *Anything* on-line will be increased...without question...mostly due to how the Internet has changed in the last 10 years. Retail is down in the shops, but retail
is up in sales on the Internet. Why? Save $$$$. The percentage of
increase should be significant...but I would not expect it to happen
all at once...I believe that it will depend upon how long the economy
will be tanking....sigh.
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subpopz
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16. December 2008 @ 21:21 |
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If you don't enjoy listening to your earlier music you have collected
and keep *reusing* your digital media cards to put on your new music,
yes...it is cheaper. But if you are going to "archive" your music, so
you can listen to it later...in about 10 years, your "burned" CD will
"most likely" out perform your digital media card - due to "zero"
chances of "memory leaks" or "bleeding" that might happen!
yes, and if you don't use those CD's at all they will be in pristine condition. In all likelihood, they will get used, and over the course of years of use, they will get scratched, damaged, yadda, yadda.
Whereas, if I lose a few songs off a digital storage, wow, I guess I have to waste all of 15 mins re-downloading them in their original pristine quality. And since technology will have advanced yet again who knows how many times over in that amount of time, chances are I will have new media and players to put them on.
Back-ups of music are pointless.
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chrissd
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16. December 2008 @ 21:35 |
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Actually, CDs are fairly useful. Live discs don't work so well using dvds and installing onto a portable hdd defeats the purpose. And for a more permanent form than a memory stick with reasonable transfer/burn speeds. And they work in more dvd players than dvds for a photo slideshow that you can send to relatives to pretend you care. lolz
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aragorn29
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16. December 2008 @ 23:20 |
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Wow, I think most of you are missing the point here. This levy has kept downloaders safe from organizations like the RIAA & CRIA for years. Not one single successful "piracy" lawsuit brought against a Canadian citizent over downloaded music. The Copyright Board of Canada has included downloading music in the list of "private copying" activities for which tariffs on blank media applied. See here. I'll glady continue to pay this levy and be thankful for the protection it offers me.
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hermes_vb
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17. December 2008 @ 04:24 |
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I can get a good 1 TB Hard Drive for less than $100. It's kinda ridiculous don't you think?
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mjlambert
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17. December 2008 @ 09:22 |
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Originally posted by susieqbbb:
This is funny.
You raise the rates of blank media then people will just go online and purchase there media from a outside source and tell you where to go.
What is shitty for most Canadians is the importing to Canada exspecially from the USA. Most companies wont ship US Postal they always insist on Fedex or UPS which shipping to Canada can then add on a $30+ brokerage fee.
Sometimes the shipping and brokerage is just not worth it for us.
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eljay
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17. December 2008 @ 10:53 |
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Originally posted by mjlambert:
What is shitty for most Canadians is the importing to Canada exspecially from the USA. Most companies wont ship US Postal they always insist on Fedex or UPS which shipping to Canada can then add on a $30+ brokerage fee.
Sometimes the shipping and brokerage is just not worth it for us.
I've been wondered about this as well. I live in Denmark, and a lot of stuff is much cheaper for us to buy in the U.S., even when you add customs and VAT. But the shipping costs will often make it to expensive.
On topic: We've had a blank media tax in Denmark since around the same time as it was introduced in Canada. It's currently a fixed tax of around .30 USD on CD's and .55 USD on DVD's, but it used to be much higher, and based on the capacity of the media. DVD's used to have around 2.50 USD tax on them, but the taxing model was changed a few years ago, to combat the extensive import of media from countries like Germany, that has no tax on blank media. It's still cheaper to import though, and it's perfectly legal too.
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mjlambert
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17. December 2008 @ 11:08 |
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Yes shipping is not allways great for most of us.
In Canada if we can get the item shipped here via US Postal it works out very well for us as we just need to pay the taxes on the declared value.
However most companies insisting on shipping via Fedex or UPS as they already have accounts setup with them and its less hassel than going to the post office and that sort of thing. However to bring that package into canada it has to have a broker and they charge $30 per package for brokerage fee's sometimes more.
I also feel that we are being treated unfairly! I mean while yes alot of pirecy goes on man of us use CD media for much more than just that.
I am a professional photographer and between my data backs, Proofs for clients and wedding cd's in general i go through thousands a year and it adds up.
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