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SYN_ZEN
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28. December 2008 @ 03:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So I'm trying to save dvds here by asking because believe me I've wasted plenty... :/

If I do a burn that ends up with a 20% quality rating (gets DRE often...) and decide to do a copy of that backup with IMGburn or Alcohol 120% would that second copy give me the same quality rating of 20%?

Remember, not a second copy of the original game but a copy of the backup... I have maybe one or two games that have been consistently giving me DREs whereas some games like Animal Crossing have never given me one once...
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elk1007
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28. December 2008 @ 04:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The quality of the backup has to do with a the way the data is written, not with the actual data.

In other words, the problem occurs when reading the data.

And long as you complete a successful backup of the non-genuine Wii game, the backup is a 1:1 copy of the original game (decrypted of course).

If you burn the backup of the backup, the actual burn process will determine it's quality.
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28. December 2008 @ 08:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So its possible to achieve a better quality backup by copying the 20% disc? I thought that may be the answer. Thanks for the help!
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28. December 2008 @ 09:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As long as the data is read 1:1 during the dump and there are no errors, then yes.

np.
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28. December 2008 @ 11:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "quality rating"?

The way that I understand what you have said, a 20% quality rating would be 1 bit error out of every 5.

This is DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY! 1's and 0's.

For Audio or video, 1 in 5 bit errors would produce something that is marginally usable, since video and audio can "make up" for missing corrupt data.

Data is something completely different. If it isn't a "100% copy", it may as well be a a 0% copy. As I link to say, on a data disc, "One bit error will ruin you day". (i.e. the disc will not work properly.)

This isn't video or audio, where missing/corrupted bits can be interpolated or in most cases, not even missed.

A "good" digital copy is supposed to be a 100% duplication of the original. Is there are errors in the source material, there will be errors in the copy. No way around it. You can't replace the missing/incorrect bits.

Ex. I did a backup of a game. There were 6 bit errors in the rip. It (and every subsequent burn, and copy of the burn all had the same error. My copies were 100% of the original (and they all "locked up" at the EXACTLY same place). I knew then that it wasn't my burns that were the problem, and I check my original rip with fc (file compare) and found the errors.

6 bit errors on a Wii disc is 100-(6/37599838208) percent correct. (something like 99.99999999984042484526639801439% correct if I did my math right). Result? bad disc.

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. December 2008 @ 11:45

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elk1007
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28. December 2008 @ 14:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
By quality, he means 'how well the disk is read'

which really means 'how well the disk was written'.
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