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Sony: Xbox 360 is too expensive
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article published on 9 January, 2009
Sony's marketing team has taken aim at Microsoft's Xbox 360 console in a recent press release, branding the console as too expensive and hyping the PlayStation 3 (PS3) as the best offer for your money. Specifically, Sony targeted the Xbox 360 Arcade unit, which it valued as $199. The press release claims that to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 ... [ read the full article ]
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10. January 2009 @ 00:44 |
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LOL, let the fanboy console wars begin! It's just my opinion but I think they were getting ridiculous years ago when they were charging $299 for a ps2. I like games but not in THAT price range. It's getting too expensive to even be a fast follower.
Just my 1 cent (adjusted for de-valuation).
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10. January 2009 @ 00:50 |
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The 360 is cheap compared to what it used to be. I can see Sony making these statements back then, but now it's unnecessary, considering how well the 360 is doing in sales compared to the PS3. The only reason I can see them making this statement is to gain a bigger share in the market and have consumers think twice before buying the 360.
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10. January 2009 @ 00:53 |
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Sony is sounding like some lunatic on a videogame message board. I hear this stuff all the time on forums... but its shocking and face palmingly sad to hear it from a legitimate corporation.
Are things so bad for Sony that this is all they can fall back on?
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djeazyg
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10. January 2009 @ 00:54 |
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Whatever happened to judging a video game console on how well they play video games? All this other crap is nice and all but I thought the whole idea was to play games? They need to get back to concentrating on the games.
Actually the only reason I have kept my PS3 and not sold it off is because it is a great entertainment system. As an entertainment system it is leaps and bounds over the 360 but it lacks in the gaming dept. Not that there aren't any good games for it. It just doesn't live up to what the 360 has to offer. I think in time the PS3 will rise to the top of the gaming world but by then you'll be able to get one for 199 or something like that.
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10. January 2009 @ 01:01 |
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It is true though. Coming from an owner of both, I had to buy a lot of extra crap to get my 360 equal to my PS3.
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10. January 2009 @ 01:01 |
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Well for one I don't see any games worth buying a 360 over except maybe GoW2 but I never like GoW to begin with so I won't be getting one anytime soon... I remember when he console first came out I was actually going to get one because all of my friends were too sonner or later, but then I looked at it's lineup and i just said screw that... Now the console is half the price it was back then and I'm still not interested :/
Even my friends with 360s said that it was pretty bad because "like no games came out this year except for Gears". They're all diehard Gears players and when the first one came out they played it for like forever and then when this one came out they played it for a couple weeks and now their consoles are collecting dust again. That really surprised me...
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10. January 2009 @ 01:13 |
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People have been saying this for months.......you know the part when you add up all the prices
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10. January 2009 @ 01:33 |
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The fail60 is worth about 100$ with a 20GB HDD, the newest revision I would not give more than 200 for.
The PS3 tops out at 400 for the 60GB unit and the WII is worth at best 300$
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10. January 2009 @ 02:52 |
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actually i can understand the articles point, but over all i tend to get more into multiplayers and i find the 360 to be better in that department and controllers but like any console it all depends on the person i prefer the xbox 360 for certain games cuz of the controls and the ps3 for others....love the ps3 d-pad hate the 360's... love the joysticks for fps/tps on the 360 not the ps3....but all in all the ps3 is a better console for ur buck but i just dont find myself playin mine to often besides to play movies here and there...Thats my opinion and everyone has their own and if ur not a xbox guy or wii or ps3 person its understandable they all have the good and bad but i find the xbox went cheap so they left it up to the gamer to buy add ons to save money...Sony put alot of money into the ps3 and it should out perform the xbox for the price but thats a whole other topic....
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10. January 2009 @ 02:58 |
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Originally posted by b18bek9:
actually i can understand the articles point, but over all i tend to get more into multiplayers and i find the 360 to be better in that department and controllers but like any console it all depends on the person i prefer the xbox 360 for certain games cuz of the controls and the ps3 for others....love the ps3 d-pad hate the 360's... love the joysticks for fps/tps on the 360 not the ps3....but all in all the ps3 is a better console for ur buck but i just dont find myself playin mine to often besides to play movies here and there...Thats my opinion and everyone has their own and if ur not a xbox guy or wii or ps3 person its understandable they all have the good and bad but i find the xbox went cheap so they left it up to the gamer to buy add ons to save money...Sony put alot of money into the ps3 and it should out perform the xbox for the price but thats a whole other topic....
Befor I sold off my fail60 due to failage and the sent the PS3 back to my friend I played the 360 alil more since it had..I dunno...games for it the PS3 at that time was a glorified PS2 with blu ray support, I want a PS3 60GB unit so far I can live withouyt the 360...altho Lost oddesy and a couple other games make me want to get a fail60 again but I will wait untill its less fail and more 360....
The PS3 has some nice games right now but most are crap you have mabye a hand full of worth while games... and that dose not make it worth its price...I mean is a grand worth 3 consoles and maybe 10 worth while games?... this new generation is so stale and shallow its making me lose interest in modern gaming...
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10. January 2009 @ 03:46 |
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This is to sony, if i have $250 & only $250 to spend i will by a 360 or Wii because well a PS3 is MORE EXPENSIVE! More "features" used or not used doesn't mean shit in low economic times! True the PS3 may have more features but if i have my whole house wired & no need for a BR Player then those extra features i MUST PAY extra for mean nothing! So i live in the bay area is it worth it for me to get an engine warmer for my car cause it is a god deal? I am a man i see a pair of women pants on sale should i get them cause it is a good deal?
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10. January 2009 @ 03:49 |
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Originally posted by ripxrush:
This is to sony, if i have $250 & only $250 to spend i will by a 360 or Wii because well a PS3 is MORE EXPENSIVE! More "features" used or not used doesn't mean shit in low economic times! True the PS3 may have more features but if i have my whole house wired & no need for a BR Player then those extra features i MUST PAY extra for mean nothing! So i live in the bay area is it worth it for me to get an engine warmer for my car cause it is a god deal? I am a man i see a pair of women pants on sale should i get them cause it is a good deal?
Meh I can buy a PS3 used for 300 if I wanted to but without PS2 BWC why bother, a 100-200$ used fail60 ain't worth my time.
And wiis only fall 50$ when sold as used....
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10. January 2009 @ 04:26 |
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Originally posted by ripxrush:
I am a man i see a pair of women pants on sale should i get them cause it is a good deal?
Haha lol unless your a crossdresser women's pants shouldn't interest you even if they are on sale.To be honest I agree with ZippyDSM on his comment about this generation of gaming.It really is stale and I've lost interest in gaming.
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10. January 2009 @ 04:31 |
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Originally posted by L-Burna:
Originally posted by ripxrush:
I am a man i see a pair of women pants on sale should i get them cause it is a good deal?
Haha lol unless your a crossdresser women's pants shouldn't interest you even if they are on sale.To be honest I agree with ZippyDSM on his comment about this generation of gaming.It really is stale and I've lost interest in gaming.
I mean what if tech stuff went mass market halved in price but the data, speed,options and features where all halved as so they can dumb it down to sell tot eh masses would you still buy into High video/sound entertainment?
Sure hardware has improved but software has fallen and I find it difficult to blow money on it without it even trying to be worth what I put into it..... these are sad days for gamers as the mass market mentally is raping content down and doing nothing about the price, forget lowering the price on consoles lower the price on games because they are not worth the flash in the pan they are now.
Oh and about the pants.... depends on if they are in my size/color...or if a woman comes with themz..... hehehehehehe
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10. January 2009 @ 05:27 |
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Its actually sad the state gaming is in general as you mentioned.It revolves around online more than anything at the moment.I'm not a online gamer so most of the games that are presented don't really interest me.I would like to be an online gamer,but its not going to happen anytime soon unless I can get a decent internet connection.When I look at all the consoles for this generation they all rely on a decent internet connection,whether its for DLC media,Virtual Console,or even the Sony store.It must be nice for people that have a very good internet connection,but for those that don't they get left out.If you play any game now the single player modes are not good at all.The lack of gameplay for single player has drawn me away from playing most games.The hardware in the consoles has improved,but they all pretty much suck for people that can't get online.I think everybody can agree that single player and online play differ,and I would like a method available where you can transfer game content to the systems using some sort of storage media.The systems are locked up so tight that if any one of these systems farted it would probably create the loudest whistle of all time.They need to focus on a way people can integrate some of the online content without having to go online.From my point of view they all fail in this category.I play Madden all the time,and I can't even update the rosters for this game without going online which I think is ridiculous.
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Oh and about the pants.... depends on if they are in my size/color...or if a woman comes with themz..... hehehehehehe
Haha lol yeah,but what type of woman because she could be a nag.
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L-Burna]Its actually sad the state gaming is in general as you mentioned.It revolves around online more than anything at the moment.I'm not a online gamer so most of the games that are presented don't really interest me.
Do you also get raged on for not being hip and online and happy with DLC that neither finishes a under deved game nor fixes it?
I do all the time..... its like.... its one horde of zomibes I can;t hang with....
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I would like to be an online gamer,but its not going to happen anytime soon unless I can get a decent internet connection.When I look at all the consoles for this generation they all rely on a decent internet connection,whether its for DLC media,Virtual Console,or even the Sony store.It must be nice for people that have a very good internet connection,but for those that don't they get left out.
I have 60$ a month 200KBPS DSL, why I pay MS 50 a month for live?
I mean really the infrastructure is built the subscription is no longer needed.
Rant aside online and graphics are 2 leg breaking experiences for gaming, I dunno if the industry can recover with all the lax and sloppy designs going on.....
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If you play any game now the single player modes are not good at all.The lack of gameplay for single player has drawn me away from playing most games.The hardware in the consoles has improved,but they all pretty much suck for people that can't get online.I think everybody can agree that single player and online play differ,and I would like a method available where you can transfer game content to the systems using some sort of storage media.The systems are locked up so tight that if any one of these systems farted it would probably create the loudest whistle of all time.They need to focus on a way people can integrate some of the online content without having to go online.From my point of view they all fail in this category.I play Madden all the time,and I can't even update the rosters for this game without going online which I think is ridiculous.
Single player is hampered greatly by them being so focused on shortening deadlines and filling in useless extra content to sell as DLC all the while up front price for the shirking single player content is not going down, I mean I love gamming and all but this is bad sht thats happening and most people are ponying up for more brains and sinew not realizing how bad things have become.
I can't say Fallout 3 is worth 50$ but its got at least 30 hours of SP content if you can overlook small design issues.
Far cry 2 is not so bad either, I still like the first more tho..... its just not far cry without mutants and sci fi elements.
I swear since bioshock and jericho I have even trued off FPSs...and that's after getting a 400$ video card.... I eman...wheres the emat, wheres the design...all I see from shooters lately(besides FC2 and F03) are pure gun and run with no level design..its almost like a deathmath map with a story attached.... I wonder if rage will be worthy or like Doom 3 a complete let down.
I mean design issues like these are not just part of FPS games,action games as well are not as polished and RPGs are fcking scary these days with a ton of redundant play, needless time waste and crap bland equipment ontop of luke warm to dead skill systems.... and I am talking Final fantasy 12 here..sure it looks nice the story is not so bad but god good its gutted and bound by its testis.....and I fear FF13 or whatever will bad as bland....
And befor you guys start whining, sure Zelda TP,MGS4,ect is nice but are they alone worth price of admission or better yet the price of suffering to put up with non customizeable control options that make games play that much more poorly, questionable console locks and influences..... I mean things are getting to the point the people that are were laughing at the tweens 5 years ago for seeing a bad film 10 times have become tweens willing to spend hundreds more on faulty or over priced hardware, and over priced interactive bad "films"....
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Haha lol yeah,but what type of woman because she could be a nag.
But like the pants shes disposable...or at least can leave on her own after play time is over..... :P
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10. January 2009 @ 06:23 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
Sony is sounding like some lunatic on a videogame message board. I hear this stuff all the time on forums... but its shocking and face palmingly sad to hear it from a legitimate corporation.
Are things so bad for Sony that this is all they can fall back on?
Yeah I was disappointed to see someone from Sony sink this low, I hope whoever came out publicly and these comments is fired.
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10. January 2009 @ 07:53 |
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wow
now sony marketing team really sound like fanboy. lol, maybe sony really hire fanboy to be their marketing team lol
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to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 Arcade, you would need to spend between $449 and $499.
lol, if want many feature just buy the "elite".
i love my "limited" xbox 360 arcade and im already happy with xbox live silver.
my 120KB/s ADSL really lag to use to play online games lol (500ms ping lol)
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10. January 2009 @ 09:20 |
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Apparently 28 million people who bought it thought it was either better or more cost effective than the 20 million that bought the ps3.Numbers dont lie, This just doesnt look good on Sony. They are an arrogant company so it doesnt look good flinging insults or even just the PR battle. They are supposed to have the mistique and not even be in this situation but they flubbed up this go round and here they are being beat out by the so call"fail 360" so what does that say about the "Supercomputer" Ps3 that with only a year deficit and goin gup against the most technolically flawed console of alltime.Longest run on sentence right there huh LOL? But like i said before not everybody needs the wireless adapter so there saves you a $100 as the article stated. High-def dvd is a n added perk some dont see the need to splurge on.Then they go after the way who is crapping on everybody statistically.
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10. January 2009 @ 10:58 |
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You know what's funny here? We can all argue until the cows come home but in the end numbers don't lie. Nintendo wins, Microsoft comes in at a distant second and Sony brings up the rear. Doesn't matter what I think. Doesn't matter what you think. It's the truth. The end.
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10. January 2009 @ 11:24 |
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Originally posted by djeazyg:
Whatever happened to judging a video game console on how well they play video games? All this other crap is nice and all but I thought the whole idea was to play games? They need to get back to concentrating on the games.
Which is why I'm stuck on the Wii and DS so much. You can say I'm on drugs, but I enjoy most of the games more than on 360. With the 360 I always have that 1-second "wow" factor like I'm watching fireworks, but then it fizzles and is over. A few 360 gems aside, GFX don't make the game, and I agree with the earlier post about online play, though it enhances some games instead of BEING the game! There may not be "kiddie" crap on the 360/PS3, but there is still a lot of OTHER crap on it too!
As for Sony's comments, they are moot. Agreed that if there are features not being used, why pay for them? Also if I have $250, what am I going to buy? If I have $400, would I rather buy a 360/Wii with games and accessories, or a "bare bones" PS3? (BTW, this was my decision at launch time, and I went with buying a 360 and Wii rather than the $500-600 PS3 during that period.)
I really hate the NPD numbers. Who cares if X million consoles were sold. Most of the real gamers are going to purchase more than one system anyway.
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10. January 2009 @ 11:33 |
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Microsoft is actually selling the 20gb hdd and 3 months of xbox live to arcade owners for 30 dollars. that puts it at 230.00 (minus wifi, if you even need it). I think that is a pretty damn good deal considering all the excellent games that are out for it. The only good game out for the ps3 is Pain, and thats an arcade game.
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10. January 2009 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by huskerboy:
The only good game out for the ps3 is Pain, and thats an arcade game.
You must be a little slow...
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Originally posted by lwment:
You know what's funny here? We can all argue until the cows come home but in the end numbers don't lie. Nintendo wins, Microsoft comes in at a distant second and Sony brings up the rear. Doesn't matter what I think. Doesn't matter what you think. It's the truth. The end.
This is true my friend.
@ Zippy,
The state of gaming sucks for gamers in relation to quality games with great stroyline. Their arent enough out there. I know there are some but i dont think they care to fix it the gaming industry is doing better than ever. Were in a "reccession" and gaming sales havent skipped a beat i think they actually increased.
@ guy who doesnt have "decent internet connection"
I agree that it sucks that everything is built around online becasue it detracts away for compelling stories. We need more games like bioschock, but in all fairness online functions add to replay value. Bioschock was great and you could play it a maximum of 2 times...meanging once you beat it once you could go back for achievments but other than that it was just a classic to be shelved ass opposed to a call of duty modern warfare which had a good but short story and online to go for months to a year.
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10. January 2009 @ 12:05 |
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I really hope I won't be singled out for my opinions & information on this topic but I do want to make some corrections and say a few things without it becoming a personal thing. I actually wasn't going to post just to avoid a possible issue but we'll see....
Zippy ~ LIVE! isn't $50 a month it's for the year (it was most likely just a typo or a misprint) and deals can be had for as low as $40 and even every now and then $30 but those are very rare but on average $50 is the "baseline". But you have to agree LIVE! is absolutely a top notch service, it's just to bad they charge for it. Also Zippy please refrain from comments such as "fail60" is not needed and violates forum rules (you know better than that).
atomicxl ~ I absolutely agree. And truth be told the PS3 did not have the best of titles when it came out (especially against the 360's 2nd year titles). But they where not "bad" by any means for first year launch games. The 360 has had a pretty good stable of games over the last 3 years but as of late (starting with early to mid 08) MS has been running a little thin & have been relying to much on 3rd party stuff (hopefully [most likely] at E3 they will straighten that out though). But then again that is not really that bad as long as 3rd party devs turn out some great titles like GeOW2, L4D, COD5 etc. They just need more of them but what will hurt them is multiplatform titles that since 08 have been equal on both platforms. And that is where MS absolutely needs in house stuff to shine!
djeazyg ~ 2008 was actually a great year for Sony for games (especially for exclusive etc.) in comparison to MS just as Morreale said.
Japser44 ~ I can't actually say the same as I got my 360 for free because it had an RROD. So I am really ahead of the game (so to say) but my next comment kinda ties in to yours.
ripxrush ~ You are correct in your pricing but even without adding accessories like a play n charge kit, wifi etc. (as I agree not everyone needs those) you have to account for at least LIVE!. Also you are using your example for "right now" what about the Millions of early adopters who paid $3-400 for their 360's and now 3 years later have also payed for LIVE!? The up front cost may be one thing but the long term adds up. Plus please remember I am not adding anything unreasonable like WiFi, HD DVD, Play n Charge etc. Just the 360 and LIVE!.
mike.m & Globe08 ~ It is correct that the numbers don't lie as to the current standings between MS and it's lead over Sony but they aren't exactly showing the trend and path in how they got there. I have said it before (hopefully I don't sound like a broken record) but the PS3 sold 20 million in 2 years while it took the 360 almost 3 years to get to the same mark...so yes MS definitely has the lead right now over the PS3 but what I explained shows something different than the what just the totals imply. Also there is no way MS will account for broken 360's and the duplicate purchases MANY customers have definitely made.
L-Burna ~ The online issue for those who can't get online I could see being a problem, but this is a modern society and the world can't move forward without the progression of technology, which the internet has opened up by leaps and bounds! The single player issue hands down is another one I feel is really messed up. I mean even with a dual layer 50gb BD games are ranging from 10-20 hours (don't get me started with 9gb discs!) where I can remember damned NES cartridges being 80+ hours to complete!
canuckerz ~ I do agree though that it is odd & really stupid that Sony has lowered themselves to do what a competitor would do but remember Sony is more than just the PS3. The PlayStation family line of products are sold in more than 120 countries and regions worldwide! Whereas the Xbox brand is only available in maybe 40 or so?
lwment ~ Currently true.
Lastly I would like to say this. I have been said to have a tendency to "show MS in a bad way" I honestly don't mean to. I just give more information or a different view to show more than just what the media would have you beleive. Especially when there is handily a greater percentage of "doom & gloom" posts/news against Sony when clearly other factors aren't accounted for to make that "headline" grab readers for hits, traffic and ad revenue...
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