Originally posted by Globe08:

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@ Oner,

Couple of questions... how long do you think this gen will last? I know sony has the tech edge but it will be tough to hang around for the 10 year plan if MS and Nintendo launch new consoles around yr 8( im not saying they will just a hypathetical). Do you think Nintendo will continue this success all the way through, i mean not the crazy numbers but maintaing the lead week in and week out???Its hard to predict i know because of so many X factors but hey what else is there to do ???

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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Do used consoles sold at gamshops like Gamestop count towards overall sales?

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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@ Oner,

Couple of questions... how long do you think this gen will last? I know sony has the tech edge but it will be tough to hang around for the 10 year plan if MS and Nintendo launch new consoles around yr 8( im not saying they will just a hypathetical). Do you think Nintendo will continue this success all the way through, i mean not the crazy numbers but maintaing the lead week in and week out???Its hard to predict i know because of so many X factors but hey what else is there to do ???

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Well there is no standardized timetable for how long a "gen" will or could last OR in comparison to each other manufacturer but Ninty has gone between what 5-6+ on average, MS last gen only lasted 4(?) and Sony has done 5+ for PS1, 8+ and counting for PS2 & the PS3 is "expected" to be 10.

But I have been reading that Ninty might have a Wii 2 in the works for 2010-12. While MS might be by late 2010 as rumored for their "NeXtbox" (720? maybe) but I have just read a press release saying how their customers are not interested in upgrading so soon so they have plans to be around past 2012 or so? But I find that highly doubtful as the 360 is maxed out and all they have left is to go multiple discs but that won't help "processing power". Which doesn't bode well for them but I honestly beleive MS will release another console in an attempt to keep Sony (& specifically Sony NOT Ninty) from getting a true hold in the home multimedia area.

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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@ Oner,

Couple of questions... how long do you think this gen will last? I know sony has the tech edge but it will be tough to hang around for the 10 year plan if MS and Nintendo launch new consoles around yr 8( im not saying they will just a hypathetical). Do you think Nintendo will continue this success all the way through, i mean not the crazy numbers but maintaing the lead week in and week out???Its hard to predict i know because of so many X factors but hey what else is there to do ???

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Well there is no standardized timetable for how long a "gen" will or could last OR in comparison to each other manufacturer but Ninty has gone between what 5-6+ on average, MS last gen only lasted 4(?) and Sony has done 5+ for PS1, 8+ and counting for PS2 & the PS3 is "expected" to be 10.

But I have been reading that Ninty might have a Wii 2 in the works for 2010-12. While MS might be by late 2010 as rumored for their "NeXtbox" (720? maybe) but I have just read a press release saying how their customers are not interested in upgrading so soon so they have plans to be around past 2012 or so? But I find that highly doubtful as the 360 is maxed out and all they have left is to go multiple discs but that won't help "processing power". Which doesn't bode well for them but I honestly beleive MS will release another console in an attempt to keep Sony (& specifically Sony NOT Ninty) from getting a true hold in the home multimedia area.

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So what will happen when a new MS console comes out?
Will it be too expensive to afford?
Or will it just kill the PS3?
I know that you can't answer this but what's your opinion?

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Originally posted by kikzm33z:

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So what will happen when a new MS console comes out?
Will it be too expensive to afford?
Or will it just kill the PS3?
I know that you can't answer this but what's your opinion?

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by kikzm33z:

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So what will happen when a new MS console comes out?
Will it be too expensive to afford?
Or will it just kill the PS3?
I know that you can't answer this but what's your opinion?

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Hey man, I don't have all the answers nor believe that I do! lol! But MS has definitely learned their lesson by rushing their product to market an an attempt to equate them to having an advantage which has backfired (Ninty has passed them & Sony is on their butts). I do believe they will launch early at the expense of maybe losing some customers who feel burned about the original Xbox & the 360's issues etc.

But you can bet they will build something that will be extremely easy to program and code for (which devs love) and will put out a powerhouse of a system with at least a gig of ram and some ungodly strong "video card" with a top notch processor! All that is up in the air is what media and if or how big of an HDD they will maybe use.


Edit: Zippy you bring up a good point. That could quite possibly help with the retention of 360 followers.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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And stifle creative innovation.

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Originally posted by atomicxl:

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Sony is sounding like some lunatic on a videogame message board. I hear this stuff all the time on forums... but its shocking and face palmingly sad to hear it from a legitimate corporation.

Are things so bad for Sony that this is all they can fall back on?

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Yeah I was disappointed to see someone from Sony sink this low, I hope whoever came out publicly and these comments is fired.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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I see the 360 as highly flawed, with the advent of plugging mouse and keyboard up to it there should have been a option from the start to play any game you want with one with full button customization that also could be down on the control pad, people could trade pad customizations on live and publishers could sell them as DLC.

Hell they could sell brandized M&KB and have it load and change settings on the fly..no we get publishers desrection on that and button mapping and that has made gaming that much worse since the lack of polishing has made some games unpalyable without high frustration levels.


You are quite the unhappy gamer sir

Also why can't publishers use USB devices to load some content since live is becoming a neutering process?


The HDD lock is also quit laughable in this day and age.

But hell if they didn't fck over BWC from the start I would have a fail60 or 2 but no they didnt support the libary they had so I did not support them and when I broke down and bought one I had to sell it off because it broke all the time, the PS3 is nice but price+games is ass backwards, it should be half the price with more worth while games....


And I wish the wii was a more quality and sold only half as many units.... as it is now its not really better than one of those all in one game thingys you can buy for 20$ 0-o


wow...rant mode is rantalious...

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Originally posted by NexGen76:

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To be honest i don't have a problem with Sony doing this they are explaining some stuff that a lot of people really don't take in to account when they buy a 360 other than price.When i ask people why they got a 360 9 of 10 people say price but has no clue what the system they buy offer them out the box until its too late,then they B!tch about getting a Hard drive or Batteries for there remote etc... things that Microsoft clear don't out line,only there price.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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I see the 360 as highly flawed, with the advent of plugging mouse and keyboard up to it there should have been a option from the start to play any game you want with one with full button customization that also could be down on the control pad, people could trade pad customizations on live and publishers could sell them as DLC.

Hell they could sell brandized M&KB and have it load and change settings on the fly..no we get publishers desrection on that and button mapping and that has made gaming that much worse since the lack of polishing has made some games unpalyable without high frustration levels.


You are quite the unhappy gamer sir

Also why can't publishers use USB devices to load some content since live is becoming a neutering process?


The HDD lock is also quit laughable in this day and age.

But hell if they didn't fck over BWC from the start I would have a fail60 or 2 but no they didnt support the libary they had so I did not support them and when I broke down and bought one I had to sell it off because it broke all the time, the PS3 is nice but price+games is ass backwards, it should be half the price with more worth while games....


And I wish the wii was a more quality and sold only half as many units.... as it is now its not really better than one of those all in one game thingys you can buy for 20$ 0-o


wow...rant mode is rantalious...

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Zippy, please try to go back to the topic and again refrain from using the term I described before. You are better than that and have been here long enough. Plus this is the second time I have asked nicely.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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I see the 360 as highly flawed, with the advent of plugging mouse and keyboard up to it there should have been a option from the start to play any game you want with one with full button customization that also could be down on the control pad, people could trade pad customizations on live and publishers could sell them as DLC.

Hell they could sell brandized M&KB and have it load and change settings on the fly..no we get publishers desrection on that and button mapping and that has made gaming that much worse since the lack of polishing has made some games unpalyable without high frustration levels.


I still find it funny that the console that is double the price of the entry model of the 360 is calling it too expensive based off add ons to be exact to its console as if their console is the bar. Its in last place for a reason ive said it time and again. People are just sore losers, when MS is getting punished im sure they'd complain as well and id say the same things. yes they launched a year later(ps3) but that was by their design not anyone elses. They also got a break by facing the least technolocially advanced console(wii) and the most flawed from hardware perspective(360) and they arent gaining ground their losing it!When they do eventually drop a price they will too see a spike in sales and start graining ground but im not sure if thats the solution. If price were the issue as so many said then that would fall in line with this article in saying the ps3 is just as cost effective as the 360 so yet again this goes to show its not just the price. its also game selection,online functionality and other reason unknown to me.


You are quite the unhappy gamer sir

Also why can't publishers use USB devices to load some content since live is becoming a neutering process?


The HDD lock is also quit laughable in this day and age.

But hell if they didn't fck over BWC from the start I would have a fail60 or 2 but no they didnt support the libary they had so I did not support them and when I broke down and bought one I had to sell it off because it broke all the time, the PS3 is nice but price+games is ass backwards, it should be half the price with more worth while games....


And I wish the wii was a more quality and sold only half as many units.... as it is now its not really better than one of those all in one game thingys you can buy for 20$ 0-o


wow...rant mode is rantalious...

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And I am not the only unhappy gamer watching what was a simi polished enthusiast hobby being turned into mass market corporate wank.

Just because its popular dose not make it less of a shallow trend.

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The truth is really that whether or not the Xbox 360 will turn out more expensive than a PS3 console depends entirely on the customer that buys it, and whether they need or want a Wi-Fi add-on, a Gold membership, a hard drive (if they didn't get a model with one already, as the "choice" is the reason for the Arcade model's existence) or a defunct HD DVD add-on.

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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I see the 360 as highly flawed, with the advent of plugging mouse and keyboard up to it there should have been a option from the start to play any game you want with one with full button customization that also could be down on the control pad, people could trade pad customizations on live and publishers could sell them as DLC.

Hell they could sell brandized M&KB and have it load and change settings on the fly..no we get publishers desrection on that and button mapping and that has made gaming that much worse since the lack of polishing has made some games unpalyable without high frustration levels.


I still find it funny that the console that is double the price of the entry model of the 360 is calling it too expensive based off add ons to be exact to its console as if their console is the bar. Its in last place for a reason ive said it time and again. People are just sore losers, when MS is getting punished im sure they'd complain as well and id say the same things. yes they launched a year later(ps3) but that was by their design not anyone elses. They also got a break by facing the least technolocially advanced console(wii) and the most flawed from hardware perspective(360) and they arent gaining ground their losing it!When they do eventually drop a price they will too see a spike in sales and start graining ground but im not sure if thats the solution. If price were the issue as so many said then that would fall in line with this article in saying the ps3 is just as cost effective as the 360 so yet again this goes to show its not just the price. its also game selection,online functionality and other reason unknown to me.


You are quite the unhappy gamer sir

Also why can't publishers use USB devices to load some content since live is becoming a neutering process?


The HDD lock is also quit laughable in this day and age.

But hell if they didn't fck over BWC from the start I would have a fail60 or 2 but no they didnt support the libary they had so I did not support them and when I broke down and bought one I had to sell it off because it broke all the time, the PS3 is nice but price+games is ass backwards, it should be half the price with more worth while games....


And I wish the wii was a more quality and sold only half as many units.... as it is now its not really better than one of those all in one game thingys you can buy for 20$ 0-o


wow...rant mode is rantalious...

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And I am not the only unhappy gamer watching what was a simi polished enthusiast hobby being turned into mass market corporate wank.

Just because its popular dose not make it less of a shallow trend.

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I agree things could be better but you make it sound like gaming is unbearable at this point and i never said you were the only one just the most vocal. Most people in here like one of the big 3 but most of your posts bash all consoles available.It is what it is and its going to be that way for the next 3-6 years atleast.I too hate the wii for making things mass market oriented and forgetting about the people that got them to this point the hardcore.enthusiast gamers.And i think you put too much stock in bwc, its an added bonus but i sure wouldnt spend 250 plus bucks to play my old games i would just keep my old system if i viewed the new gen product so poorly

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Originally posted by beanos66:

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"Numbers Don't Lie" ?

No but people who publish numbers do, just ask riaa

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Originally posted by beanos66:

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"Numbers Don't Lie" ?

No but people who publish numbers do, just ask riaa

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Yeah, your right about RIAA but I don't think EVERY major financial firm that reports on console sales is falsifying numbers. And they ALL say it's Nintendo, Microsoft then Sony. Sorry, but facts are facts. Doesn't mean one console is any better than the other in all ways. Just sales.

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Originally posted by huskerboy:

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The only good game out for the ps3 is Pain, and thats an arcade game.

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You must be a little slow...

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I really hope I won't be singled out for my opinions & information on this topic but I do want to make some corrections and say a few things without it becoming a personal thing. I actually wasn't going to post just to avoid a possible issue but we'll see....

Zippy ~ LIVE! isn't $50 a month it's for the year (it was most likely just a typo or a misprint) and deals can be had for as low as $40 and even every now and then $30 but those are very rare but on average $50 is the "baseline". But you have to agree LIVE! is absolutely a top notch service, it's just to bad they charge for it. Also Zippy please refrain from comments such as "fail60" is not needed and violates forum rules (you know better than that).




atomicxl ~ I absolutely agree. And truth be told the PS3 did not have the best of titles when it came out (especially against the 360's 2nd year titles). But they where not "bad" by any means for first year launch games. The 360 has had a pretty good stable of games over the last 3 years but as of late (starting with early to mid 08) MS has been running a little thin & have been relying to much on 3rd party stuff (hopefully [most likely] at E3 they will straighten that out though). But then again that is not really that bad as long as 3rd party devs turn out some great titles like GeOW2, L4D, COD5 etc. They just need more of them but what will hurt them is multiplatform titles that since 08 have been equal on both platforms. And that is where MS absolutely needs in house stuff to shine!


djeazyg ~ 2008 was actually a great year for Sony for games (especially for exclusive etc.) in comparison to MS just as Morreale said.


Japser44 ~ I can't actually say the same as I got my 360 for free because it had an RROD. So I am really ahead of the game (so to say) but my next comment kinda ties in to yours.


ripxrush ~ You are correct in your pricing but even without adding accessories like a play n charge kit, wifi etc. (as I agree not everyone needs those) you have to account for at least LIVE!. Also you are using your example for "right now" what about the Millions of early adopters who paid $3-400 for their 360's and now 3 years later have also payed for LIVE!? The up front cost may be one thing but the long term adds up. Plus please remember I am not adding anything unreasonable like WiFi, HD DVD, Play n Charge etc. Just the 360 and LIVE!.


mike.m & Globe08 ~ It is correct that the numbers don't lie as to the current standings between MS and it's lead over Sony but they aren't exactly showing the trend and path in how they got there. I have said it before (hopefully I don't sound like a broken record) but the PS3 sold 20 million in 2 years while it took the 360 almost 3 years to get to the same mark...so yes MS definitely has the lead right now over the PS3 but what I explained shows something different than the what just the totals imply. Also there is no way MS will account for broken 360's and the duplicate purchases MANY customers have definitely made.


L-Burna ~ The online issue for those who can't get online I could see being a problem, but this is a modern society and the world can't move forward without the progression of technology, which the internet has opened up by leaps and bounds! The single player issue hands down is another one I feel is really messed up. I mean even with a dual layer 50gb BD games are ranging from 10-20 hours (don't get me started with 9gb discs!) where I can remember damned NES cartridges being 80+ hours to complete!


canuckerz ~ I do agree though that it is odd & really stupid that Sony has lowered themselves to do what a competitor would do but remember Sony is more than just the PS3. The PlayStation family line of products are sold in more than 120 countries and regions worldwide! Whereas the Xbox brand is only available in maybe 40 or so?


lwment ~ Currently true.


Lastly I would like to say this. I have been said to have a tendency to "show MS in a bad way" I honestly don't mean to. I just give more information or a different view to show more than just what the media would have you beleive. Especially when there is handily a greater percentage of "doom & gloom" posts/news against Sony when clearly other factors aren't accounted for to make that "headline" grab readers for hits, traffic and ad revenue...

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The only good game out for the ps3 is Pain, and thats an arcade game.

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You must be a little slow...

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Resistance rocks and is only available for PS3.

PS3 has been tested and compare over and over and over and over again to the XBOX. Shading on PS3 is substandard and EVERY GAME available on BOTH platforms is shown superior by XBOX to that of PS3. Wifi is needed by only half the population out there and any smart gamer would know better than to online game via wifi. Hung connections and all.

What is bothering is that MS charger people up the ass to get a fricking 100GB HDD increase. What bullshit. Marketing ploy and raping customers for that one.

I like PS3 but XBOX definitively blow PS3 out of the water in every aspect..............game selection, quality, graphics and is COMPARABLE in hardware.

Ba Bye PS3................you're day is done.

And..............the WII RULES. I leave hardcore gaming to my computer which is pimped because I'm the shit, and I know my shit.

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