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Sony: Xbox 360 is too expensive
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article published on 9 January, 2009
Sony's marketing team has taken aim at Microsoft's Xbox 360 console in a recent press release, branding the console as too expensive and hyping the PlayStation 3 (PS3) as the best offer for your money. Specifically, Sony targeted the Xbox 360 Arcade unit, which it valued as $199. The press release claims that to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 ... [ read the full article ]
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Xbox game sales have blown the PS3 away............'nough said.
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10. January 2009 @ 20:41 |
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Originally posted by lynchgoop:
Xbox game sales have blown the PS3 away............'nough said.
And the WII has sold more games, youer point? ^^
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10. January 2009 @ 23:43 |
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I don't have a problem w/ Sony making this claim either. With SO many $200 vs. $400 marketing comparisons going on, someone SHOULD be pointing out what little that $200 gets you. I even notice some 360 fanboys comparing prices using REFURBISHED add-ons pricing. No serious gamer I know would be buying that machine, but rather the Pro or Elite models. The only thing I agree with is WiFi...yes, it's built-in on all PS3s and probably inexpensive (~$20-40 at most, perhaps, compared to $90 street price for the 360 add-on), but still isn't a real necessity. I would ALWAYS prefer a WIRED connection anyway -- WiFi is something to use only if you really NEED to. Speaking of wired connections, the PS3 also has Gigabit Ethernet whereas the 360 is 100Base-T (not a problem for most, but could see a benefit with multiplayer over LAN and streaming media over LAN).
RE: Next Xbox backward-compatibility: Supposedly Intel is highly courting M$ to use an Intel CPU in the next console...if that's the case, you can almost definitely count out 360-compatibility unless the CPU is fast enough to emulate a 3.2GHz PowerPC-based Xenon (CPU emulation usually runs up to around 10% of the host system speed, so a non-similar architecture CPU would need to be at least 10X more powerful) or put in some of the original 360 hardware to handle it (adding ~$40-75 or so to the new console price).
A personal note on backward-compatibility... I agree new products like game consoles should be backward-compatible when reasonable to do so (can you imagine if DVD drives couldn't read CDs???), but if cost-prohibitive, it may be better to offer as an add-on somehow instead of not offering it at all. That way, the 'base unit' cost is kept down (except for the minimal cost of having a bay/slot for the add-on) and only those who really want the feature can pay the extra for it.
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10. January 2009 @ 23:47 |
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Originally posted by lynchgoop:
I don't believe this statement for a second. Back it up or pipe down Mr. Moderator!!! 20 million units my ass. As of May 08 is was 12.5 million and XBox has steadily outsold them. Sony has reported losses significantly higher than that of MS. Keep in mind............after a period of time when everyone that wants an Xbox actually has one then sales slow. But arguing symantecs with an AD moderator is like banging my head against a brick wall..............Amusing at the beginning but painful after a second or two.
You seem to be taking this to a personal level. Ain't gonna happen this time around, I'm nipping it in the butt right now. So you are the only one who really needs to "pipe down"...so, seriously, tone it down a notch and have a discussion, not an argument. OK?
Now since you asked for proof here you go (but may I ask where are you getting your information/proof? As it's only fair)....I have to say this before I actually begin though. I absolutely HATE using this site for #'s (as they have been shown to pad certain console sales numbers towards the end of the year) but there is one saving grace...since most of the numbers have been released by NPD, Media Create, partial GFK, Ninty & Sony recently for 2008 (I think there is some minor missing info here and there but it really doesn't affect me needing to show "proof" as requested)
It's VGChartz. Yeah yeah, I know...but as I said they have recently adjusted their numbers to reflect what the trusted "counters" have provided and this is one of those times where you can actually refer to them for a short period of time, so here we go :)
^^^This last one is just madness!!!^^^
Now it is widely known that the 360 was stalled at around 21-23 Million just before their 2nd price drop (within a year). But that is where they KILLED in sales against the PS3, but remember that started around September and the effects of the price drop didn't start to show until about the middle of October; as people where getting ready for the Christmas season and especially on Black Friday (but that is for the States only). So since the PS3 has only been out for 2 years it is obvious they have hit the 20 Million mark quicker than the 360. And before it becomes an issue, yes I do notice that VGC shows the PS3 @ 19.46 Mill but all the GFK (EU) info isn't in just yet and I think even part of NPD (for Dec?) but I think everyone can understand that.
Also Sony for the first 8 months out of 2008 where consistently outselling the 360 worldwide (again all widely known and verifiable via google, VGC, and numerous gaming sites) at their always higher price point. I knew it was going to be close for 2008, and it really was a toss up! But in the end the 360 did outsell the PS3 for 2008 (and I even said that is what most likely would happen quite a few times).
So there you go, 20 Million for the PS3. Is that satisfactory for you, or do you need more? :)
Originally posted by lynchgoop:
Xbox game sales have blown the PS3 away............'nough said.
Verifiable proof, links & documentation please to back that statement up ;) it works both ways here remember!
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
I don't have a problem w/ Sony making this claim either. With SO many $200 vs. $400 marketing comparisons going on, someone SHOULD be pointing out what little that $200 gets you. I even notice some 360 fanboys comparing prices using REFURBISHED add-ons pricing. No serious gamer I know would be buying that machine, but rather the Pro or Elite models. The only thing I agree with is WiFi...yes, it's built-in on all PS3s and probably inexpensive (~$20-40 at most, perhaps, compared to $90 street price for the 360 add-on), but still isn't a real necessity. I would ALWAYS prefer a WIRED connection anyway -- WiFi is something to use only if you really NEED to. Speaking of wired connections, the PS3 also has Gigabit Ethernet whereas the 360 is 100Base-T (not a problem for most, but could see a benefit with multiplayer over LAN and streaming media over LAN).
RE: Next Xbox backward-compatibility: Supposedly Intel is highly courting M$ to use an Intel CPU in the next console...if that's the case, you can almost definitely count out 360-compatibility unless the CPU is fast enough to emulate a 3.2GHz PowerPC-based Xenon (CPU emulation usually runs up to around 10% of the host system speed, so a non-similar architecture CPU would need to be at least 10X more powerful) or put in some of the original 360 hardware to handle it (adding ~$40-75 or so to the new console price).
A personal note on backward-compatibility... I agree new products like game consoles should be backward-compatible when reasonable to do so (can you imagine if DVD drives couldn't read CDs???), but if cost-prohibitive, it may be better to offer as an add-on somehow instead of not offering it at all. That way, the 'base unit' cost is kept down (except for the minimal cost of having a bay/slot for the add-on) and only those who really want the feature can pay the extra for it.
Well they have to plan better, sony is desperate after all since they are pushing the bounds of price and it screwed up their BWC focus and direction because of it.
MS didn't have much of a choice altho loss of BWC out of the box was fallout when they changed from ninvidia to ati .
Moduler design dose seem the best as they can raise the price of the device to offset costs some, IE a 40$ chip set would be a 60$ module with a final street price of 80-100$ might take some R&D and time but it beats a 10% price increase on the base unit.....
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Stupid thought that needs an answer.
I know at a individual dev/pub level the WII dose not rake in huge profits but for nin, but would be wrong in saying that the WII sales more games, I mean once you factor in unit sales X the attach rate the numbers seem higher and higher numbers on a industry scale means more profit for the industry as a whole.
What I am getting at is it playing with numbers to trump things up when one says the wii dose push more titles out the door than any other console? The answer seems to be both yes and no...of coarse that could be the voices in my head rattling off... 0-o
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Oner
Stupid thought that needs an answer.
I know at a individual dev/pub level the WII dose not rake in huge profits but for nin, but would be wrong in saying that the WII sales more games, I mean once you factor in unit sales X the attach rate the numbers seem higher and higher numbers on a industry scale means more profit for the industry as a whole.
What I am getting at is it playing with numbers to trump things up when one says the wii dose push more titles out the door than any other console? The answer seems to be both yes and no...of coarse that could be the voices in my head rattling off... 0-o
You bring up a good conundrum of which I won't be able to answer tonight as I am done. Hopefully someone else would be able to offer a good insight in to that with some solid info....but it's time for me to get some rest and think about that one over night but I can say really quick how I could see what you mean about it being yes & no. Thus the conundrum...g'night peoples.
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11. January 2009 @ 00:42 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Oner
Stupid thought that needs an answer.
I know at a individual dev/pub level the WII dose not rake in huge profits but for nin, but would be wrong in saying that the WII sales more games, I mean once you factor in unit sales X the attach rate the numbers seem higher and higher numbers on a industry scale means more profit for the industry as a whole.
What I am getting at is it playing with numbers to trump things up when one says the wii dose push more titles out the door than any other console? The answer seems to be both yes and no...of coarse that could be the voices in my head rattling off... 0-o
You bring up a good conundrum of which I won't be able to answer tonight as I am done. Hopefully someone else would be able to offer a good insight in to that with some solid info....but it's time for me to get some rest and think about that one over night but I can say really quick how I could see what you mean about it being yes & no. Thus the conundrum...g'night peoples.
Ya I mean up front you have the numbers but you break them down and the revenue is lop sided, while as a whole it brings in lots of rev to the industry the parts it greases are not that beniftail to the industry as a whole.
While say the 360 attach rate and the rev from the game sales goes into wider sweep of dev/pubs which is at the very least more beniftail than feeding a couple of giants.
I never diss the 360 on what it makes it rakes in alot of rev, I dis the direction of products and the hardware issues the most I still call the 360 this generations PS2, despite its variety issues. You can't pigeon hole the wii its monolithic and a huge fad/trend, the PS3 is catching up well enough but the over all under currents and vibrations I get from this generation..well..are apathetic...but then I am rambling on again >< *whacks self with news paper*
Have a good night man ^^
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Why cant we be friends? Why cant we be friends (insert melody)...
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You know what erks me??? This whole sports being touted as the best selling game ever. It is a bundle and therefore should not be in same catergory as a "Game sales".If you notice wii sports has sold exactly the same amount of games as the wii consoles.Is the game even offerd sepearately? This is a mockery of game statistics!!! How can a game recieve the title "GREATEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME" and you dont have the choice in the matter of getting it or not its FREE!
OFF TOPIC I KNOW ^^^^^ but i missed the article the other day and am just generally agitated by it
@aD Mods,staff members alike.... we got to make more sense out of posts in the news section not going towards member status. how can you have the opening page with all the main articles not carry weight in terms of participation to the Site???
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Just so everybody knows; I didn't ban him.
I guess Lynch doesn't believe in "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" when it comes to having to providing proof to back up his statements, whereas I ALWAYS seem to have to (and do every time)...double standard anyone?
I would like to add this last thing and move on. Why is it people make asinine assumptions about peoples education, status in life and such? Seems quite immature to make such comments about something there is absolutely no way of knowing without asking or knowing them personally?
Whatever....Just goes to show/confirm how it becomes a personal thing TOWARDS me and not TOWARDS what I say.
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I can't see why we are even wasting our time discussing some retarded lump of propaganda from $ony.. it's their opinion, and sales and history show where $ony stand with regards to people who buy their product.
It doesn't matter one bit what $ony thik a 360 is worth.. because they can't sell their gamelsss though apparently "feature packed" multimedia system sporting a failing HD disk format to anybody with a brain.
Zippy I like.. the "fail360".. but thats the shoddy manufacturing, which they could have solved if they were to use better manufacurers instead of the factories that used to make amstrad and saisho junk (look em up.. bottom shelf korea and taiwan junk makers)
$ony have an over priced lump of something that doesn't know what it wants to be.. If they had made it front loading rack mountable so it could live with your dvd player and hi-fi kit it might have done better as a multimedia device.. but as it is it's a non-starter.. always has been.. and the reliability is suspect too now they are just out of warranty.
Tendo wins.. a games console is for playing games.. even M$ worked that one out eventually.. If they had stuck a HD-DVD drive in the beast straight off the BR vs HD war might have come out very differently, but we don't expect intelligence from M$ or $ony.. both latecomers in the games console market..
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i am asking if u can take an external harddrive and connect it to your 360 and save your games on it and run the game from the external hard drive. i have an external hard drive for my computer and i save my movies on it so i can watch them without haveing a dvd shelf cluttering my living room, would i be able to piggy my external hard drive to my comp and 360 so i have my games on there as well????
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This is not the area to ask that gravedigr (that would be here). But to answer you question. No. The 360 will not do that. The new NXE update will allow you to "copy" your games to the 360's HDD but you will also have to have the physical disc in the drive in order to play it. Though I am sure there has to be some team working on that kind of a feature (and a no-disc hack) as we speak...
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Originally posted by Globe08:
You know what erks me??? This whole sports being touted as the best selling game ever. It is a bundle and therefore should not be in same catergory as a "Game sales".If you notice wii sports has sold exactly the same amount of games as the wii consoles.Is the game even offerd sepearately? This is a mockery of game statistics!!! How can a game recieve the title "GREATEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME" and you dont have the choice in the matter of getting it or not its FREE!
wii sports is sold separately but comes with a second controller, and is the cheapest way to get one, that is why nearly everybody buys it.
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Originally posted by varnull:
I can't see why we are even wasting our time discussing some retarded lump of propaganda from $ony.. it's their opinion, and sales and history show where $ony stand with regards to people who buy their product.
It doesn't matter one bit what $ony thik a 360 is worth.. because they can't sell their gamelsss though apparently "feature packed" multimedia system sporting a failing HD disk format to anybody with a brain.
Zippy I like.. the "fail360".. but thats the shoddy manufacturing, which they could have solved if they were to use better manufacurers instead of the factories that used to make amstrad and saisho junk (look em up.. bottom shelf korea and taiwan junk makers)
$ony have an over priced lump of something that doesn't know what it wants to be.. If they had made it front loading rack mountable so it could live with your dvd player and hi-fi kit it might have done better as a multimedia device.. but as it is it's a non-starter.. always has been.. and the reliability is suspect too now they are just out of warranty.
Tendo wins.. a games console is for playing games.. even M$ worked that one out eventually.. If they had stuck a HD-DVD drive in the beast straight off the BR vs HD war might have come out very differently, but we don't expect intelligence from M$ or $ony.. both latecomers in the games console market..
I primary diss the build job on the 360, thus fail60. Outside of that its a ok system as they all are but with the build issues its not worth the MSRP..... AS for sony well it is a bit much price wise but at least the build job is not laughable, as for the WII well.... its alot like the PS3 not enough games to make it worth 300+.....
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You know what erks me??? This whole sports being touted as the best selling game ever. It is a bundle and therefore should not be in same catergory as a "Game sales".If you notice wii sports has sold exactly the same amount of games as the wii consoles.Is the game even offerd sepearately? This is a mockery of game statistics!!! How can a game recieve the title "GREATEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME" and you dont have the choice in the matter of getting it or not its FREE!
wii sports is sold separately but comes with a second controller, and is the cheapest way to get one, that is why nearly everybody buys it.
You're talking about Wii Play.
Wii Sports have so much sales because it's bundle with a Wii.
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You know what erks me??? This whole sports being touted as the best selling game ever. It is a bundle and therefore should not be in same catergory as a "Game sales".If you notice wii sports has sold exactly the same amount of games as the wii consoles.Is the game even offerd sepearately? This is a mockery of game statistics!!! How can a game recieve the title "GREATEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME" and you dont have the choice in the matter of getting it or not its FREE!
wii sports is sold separately but comes with a second controller, and is the cheapest way to get one, that is why nearly everybody buys it.
Oh i thought that was wii-play that was sold seperately. Then in this case that it is sold separately it still shows that there a 46 million consoles sold and i bet every damn one of them needed a second controller so they bought the controller with a game that was cheaper than buying just the controller.Either way its a mockery of gaming. To have headlines saying it dethroned mario as the best selling game of all time....cant believe nintendo even allowed that.
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You know what erks me??? This whole sports being touted as the best selling game ever. It is a bundle and therefore should not be in same catergory as a "Game sales".If you notice wii sports has sold exactly the same amount of games as the wii consoles.Is the game even offerd sepearately? This is a mockery of game statistics!!! How can a game recieve the title "GREATEST SELLING GAME OF ALL TIME" and you dont have the choice in the matter of getting it or not its FREE!
It suprises me that both you responded but dont really have a view one way or the other as to it being crap that it counts as a game sale when its clear as day people dont buy it for the game they buy it because its cost effiecient in terms of getting another controller on a party console
wii sports is sold separately but comes with a second controller, and is the cheapest way to get one, that is why nearly everybody buys it.
You're talking about Wii Play.
Wii Sports have so much sales because it's bundle with a Wii.
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Sorry, i always get wii sports and wii play mixed up!
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Originally posted by Oner:
Wii Sports = Bundles with Wii
Wii Play = Different game & controller
EITHER WAY ITS CRAP....JEEEEEE IT suprises me that people are responding correcting me then correcting one another but have no real opinion on the fact that either way its BS cause its essentially a FREE videogame.
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Hey a free game when you have to buy an extra controller isn't all that bad.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Hey a free game when you have to buy an extra controller isn't all that bad.
My man your missing the point! I am not knocking the promotion m knocking the notion that the game which people could care less about is snagging the title of best selling game of all time by default. Come on Oner your way to smart to have missed that point 3 times now...Bozzing a little bit over there???
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