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article published on 9 January, 2009
Sony's marketing team has taken aim at Microsoft's Xbox 360 console in a recent press release, branding the console as too expensive and hyping the PlayStation 3 (PS3) as the best offer for your money. Specifically, Sony targeted the Xbox 360 Arcade unit, which it valued as $199. The press release claims that to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 ... [ read the full article ]
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I meant Boozing not Bozzing and since it wouldnt let me edit i did it the old fashioned way LOL
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Don't look for Microsoft's Xbox "Next" anytime soon, says company President Robbie Bach.
Not coming anytime soon
According to Bloomberg, Bach says Microsoft's planning to stick by the Xbox 360 longer than the original Xbox because "it's getting harder to persuade consumers to upgrade."
What's more, Bach says the current console lineup's outputting groovy enough visuals that it'd take some serious arm-twisting to convince us to upgrade in the near term.
"Just coming up with something that's faster and prettier isn't going to cut it"Quote:
[url=http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/208554/no-new-xbox-because-faster-and-prettier-doesnt-cut-it/][/url]
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Originally posted by L-Burna:
Originally posted by ripxrush:
I am a man i see a pair of women pants on sale should i get them cause it is a good deal?
Haha lol unless your a crossdresser women's pants shouldn't interest you even if they are on sale.To be honest I agree with ZippyDSM on his comment about this generation of gaming.It really is stale and I've lost interest in gaming.
May be you're getting too old to play games? I believe games in this generation are awesome. They may not be as much as the PS2 and Xbox gen but new styles of games like Assassin's Creed, Gears 2, Mirrors Edge and others are absolutely interesting. Not to mention the innovations and improvements made in FIFA 09 and of course, GTA IV.
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As somebody who owns all three systems, PS3 hands down is the winner.
Wii is okay from time to time, really don't know why I bought the thing.
Xbox360 is decent but for eff's sake that thing has been/is the most expensive system on the market.
While I paid a little more up front with Sony, I know I'm not getting nickeled and dimed to death with their system.
With X360 its a $100 here another $100 there, ect...
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Originally posted by rosedog:
As somebody who owns all three systems, PS3 hands down is the winner.
Wii is okay from time to time, really don't know why I bought the thing.
Xbox360 is decent but for eff's sake that thing has been/is the most expensive system on the market.
While I paid a little more up front with Sony, I know I'm not getting nickeled and dimed to death with their system.
With X360 its a $100 here another $100 there, ect...
Luckily for MS there are 7-8 million people that disagree with you and lucky for Nintendo there are about 26 million people who went the other way and disagree with us BOTH
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Originally posted by Globe08:
Originally posted by Oner:
Hey a free game when you have to buy an extra controller isn't all that bad.
My man your missing the point! I am not knocking the promotion m knocking the notion that the game which people could care less about is snagging the title of best selling game of all time by default. Come on Oner your way to smart to have missed that point 3 times now...Boozing a little bit over there???
I didn't miss it. I actually agree 100% with it as it is fact (and thought that would be common knowledge). I just wanted to say it wasn't bad for a "free" game. You know..."don't look a gift horse in the mouth" etc.
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Originally posted by Globe08:
Originally posted by Oner:
Hey a free game when you have to buy an extra controller isn't all that bad.
My man your missing the point! I am not knocking the promotion m knocking the notion that the game which people could care less about is snagging the title of best selling game of all time by default. Come on Oner your way to smart to have missed that point 3 times now...Boozing a little bit over there???
I didn't miss it. I actually agree 100% with it as it is fact (and thought that would be common knowledge). I just wanted to say it wasn't bad for a "free" game. You know..."don't look a gift horse in the mouth" etc.
Your a bit too stubborn my friend, if you agreed say so and leave it at that no analogy was needed. Even in saying what you said it wasnt all that clear. You 100% agree that it is crap or agree 100% that it is the best selling game of all time?We all know it is the best selling this is true but that doesnt take away from the fact it is a crap game and shouldnt have the title of best selling game of all time as it is only by default!
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WTH is up with the stubborn comment? How is that pertinent to the question or topic? You asked me something and I replied. What are you the analogy police? Just accept what I said, move on or even better just talk without the side bs that is trivial & inconsequential. Don't try and make it into something when it's not a big deal....especially when you seem to be the only one tripping about WiiPlay. Even when I agree I get crap for it now too? Jeez.
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Sony beats down on the 360 pointing out its deficiencies and costly add-ons out of frustration. A tactic used to promote sales, but by doing this Sony is only demonstrating its impotency struggling like a fish out of water. Real pitiful if you ask me. Advanced technology doesn't necessary mean instant success. The Sega Saturn was superior graphically than the PSX, but its lack of titles and hardware performance ended up being its demise. Sony claims to have the most advanced console on the market. I say peak it already, let everybody witness the console's true potential. Phrases like: "we have not peaked the PS3 to its full potential" What does that mean? It means absolutely nothing, more talk than walk. Being late out of the gate and manufacturing delays has really hurt the PS3.
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locobrown - I could understand where you are coming from but with all Playstation brand consoles there has always been a learning curve, and this has worked for them in the long run (as they have already proven this). For example look at an early PS2 game like Tomb Raider in comparison to God of War 2. Leaps and Bounds of a difference.
The same is absolutely holding true with the PS3, and [started or starting] to show with titles like Motorstorm 1 & 2, Uncharted, GT5P, Heavenly Sword, MGS4 and especially Killzone 2 (to name a few) coming up next month! Keep an eye out if you would like at this years GDC. They are planning to show/explain very technical insight into KZ2 for other Devs as well as show where God of War 3 is at and heading (and not just a 15 second in game action clip). And also Uncharted 2 will be shown (probably to a smaller extent?).
As for them "being late out of the gate and manufacturing delays has really hurt the PS3" I agree & disagree to an extent, as MS actually rushing to beat Sony to market and poorly designing/planning their console has actually caused THEM more damage. Imagine if they would never had any hardware issues and had some forethought to add at least a HD-DVD in the 360...then Sony would have had a REAL problem on their hands! With having to fight a console "war" and a format "war". In all honesty Sony would have lost BD by a mile, and the home media/console gaming for control in the living room "war" would have been in some jeopardy to say the least.
I guess it's all in how you look at it though. MS is down Billions because of RROD and having to buy exclusives, DLC content and the like while Sony is down Billions for putting out such an expensive to build hardware wise plus the losses of releasing that console to the public @ less than cost to manufacture ALONG with fighting the format war! All while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with their little money printing machine!
I guess it's a "6 of 1 1/2 a dozen of the other" type of thing...ya know? ;) lol
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Oner, you put one of the best explanations to the continually argued facts on this so call console war. I look at Nintendo like I looked at Eminem early in his career. If it wasn't for the gimmicks he used to draw attention to his rap style. People would have never really paid attention to him. Same goes for Nintendo, they sold a good gimmick and a lot of people bought into it. I know some people will not like my analogy but that's not a knock on Eminem or Nintendo. You have to do what is necessary to get the sales you want. As for Sony and M$, we all knew they would have a slug fest for gamers. If you combine all of what these companies have done. They could have the best console ever built but you know it's to much greedy in that industry to make money together.
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Originally posted by spydah:
If you combine all of what these companies have done. They could have the best console ever built but you know it's to much greedy in that industry to make money together.
Thanx spydah, it's funny you say that last bit though as I was JUST thinking about this late last night. Imagine one day where there is the true ultimate ALL IN ONE device...Plays PC games, console games (ALL from atari to PSWii360 and on!), has PC, Mac & Linux, iPod functionality, HD video and audio, inputs, outputs, WiFi...or WHATEVER to your hearts content!
Sadly that will never be. As you could only do so much with only a PC and emulation/multi booting and such by itself...and as you said. The main issue being the greed factor along with it would be a monopoly so they could dictate any price they feel.
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Originally posted by Oner:
locobrown - I could understand where you are coming from but with all Playstation brand consoles there has always been a learning curve, and this has worked for them in the long run (as they have already proven this). For example look at an early PS2 game like Tomb Raider in comparison to God of War 2. Leaps and Bounds of a difference.
The same is absolutely holding true with the PS3, and [started or starting] to show with titles like Motorstorm 1 & 2, Uncharted, GT5P, Heavenly Sword, MGS4 and especially Killzone 2 (to name a few) coming up next month! Keep an eye out if you would like at this years GDC. They are planning to show/explain very technical insight into KZ2 for other Devs as well as show where God of War 3 is at and heading (and not just a 15 second in game action clip). And also Uncharted 2 will be shown (probably to a smaller extent?).
As for them "being late out of the gate and manufacturing delays has really hurt the PS3" I agree & disagree to an extent, as MS actually rushing to beat Sony to market and poorly designing/planning their console has actually caused THEM more damage. Imagine if they would never had any hardware issues and had some forethought to add at least a HD-DVD in the 360...then Sony would have had a REAL problem on their hands! With having to fight a console "war" and a format "war". In all honesty Sony would have lost BD by a mile, and the home media/console gaming for control in the living room "war" would have been in some jeopardy to say the least.
I guess it's all in how you look at it though. MS is down Billions because of RROD and having to buy exclusives, DLC content and the like while Sony is down Billions for putting out such an expensive to build hardware wise plus the losses of releasing that console to the public @ less than cost to manufacture ALONG with fighting the format war! All while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with their little money printing machine!
I guess it's a "6 of 1 1/2 a dozen of the other" type of thing...ya know? ;) lol
Well isnt sony 2B into the PS3? if you look at the cost of pushing out units and the profit that could be made if you can sell 3 or 4 100K to start gaining a profit, they both spend millions and millions more just to get the thing to market. Though.. MS spent as much to patch the 360 up and from it they have won first place for the non casual crowd. Still I would not be surprised if MS have deserters because of it all....
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Well isnt sony 2B into the PS3?
That may possibly be, though I thought it was in the 1 "Billions" or so or actually less because of the PS2 profits & PS3 games etc.? Dunno? lol
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Well isnt sony 2B into the PS3?
That may possibly be, though I thought it was in the 1 "Billions" or so or actually less because of the PS2 profits & PS3 games etc.? Dunno? lol
Bah only whats made on the PS3 can be accounted for its losses :P
But the fact is MS is 2-4X more in debt over their system.
When the PS3 catches up to where the 360 is about 7milloin units if they can start making 20-30 off a unit that's 140.000.000 - 210.000.000, I think that's 1.4-2.1 B ...iz hard to compute the zeros 0-o.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Well isnt sony 2B into the PS3?
That may possibly be, though I thought it was in the 1 "Billions" or so or actually less because of the PS2 profits & PS3 games etc.? Dunno? lol
Bah only whats made on the PS3 can be accounted for its losses :P
But the fact is MS is 2-4X more in debt over their system.
When the PS3 catches up to where the 360 is about 7milloin units if they can start making 20-30 off a unit that's 140.000.000 - 210.000.000, I think that's 1.4-2.1 B ...iz hard to compute the zeros 0-o.
Not saying that MS doesnt care about the money but im not thinking they'll have the "doom and gloom" from media outlets pertaining to Microsoft hurting financially. MS lost tons of money on the 1st xbox forever...i honestly think their doing it to attain fans and could care less about the money losses it takes to try and steal the video game industry majority share. I dont if it will happen and i could be way off we shall see. Its going to be something that will peak and valley.look at last gen to this gen, numbers 3 Nintendo went to number 1,MS was number 2 last go round as far as units sold and popularity(i am not 100 sure on units pushed due to japanese affinity to their own products) and sony was number 1 and now is last place.People need to stop putting make-up and a pretty dress on the situation sony is in last place, is underachiving and yapping about potential. Who cares how they got their their there and it is what it is. MS needs to make sure that NEVER again do they have such horrid hardware issues like they've had with the rrod. theres no excuse that it has taken so long to fix and may not even be fixed for that matter. Nintendo needs to keep plugging along but not get too cocky or they'll end up in last place AGAIN it wasnt too long ago when their console was an afterthought. And aside from that they've alienated a important group of gamers (hardcore). But at the end of the day nintendo has triumphed and Not MS or Sony will catch up to them and the profit they'll make when this particalur was is all over is going to be recordbreaking and may not be touched for some time
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locobrown - I could understand where you are coming from but with all Playstation brand consoles there has always been a learning curve, and this has worked for them in the long run (as they have already proven this). For example look at an early PS2 game like Tomb Raider in comparison to God of War 2. Leaps and Bounds of a difference.
The same is absolutely holding true with the PS3, and [started or starting] to show with titles like Motorstorm 1 & 2, Uncharted, GT5P, Heavenly Sword, MGS4 and especially Killzone 2 (to name a few) coming up next month! Keep an eye out if you would like at this years GDC.
They are planning to show/explain very technical insight into KZ2 for other Devs as well as show where God of War 3 is at and heading (and not just a 15 second in game action clip). And also Uncharted 2 will be shown (probably to a smaller extent?).
As for them "being late out of the gate and manufacturing delays has really hurt the PS3" I agree & disagree to an extent, as MS actually rushing to beat Sony to market and poorly designing/planning their console has actually caused THEM more damage. Imagine if they would never had any hardware issues and had some forethought to add at least a HD-DVD in the 360...then Sony would have had a REAL problem on their hands! With having to fight a console "war" and a format "war". In all honesty Sony would have lost BD by a mile, and the home media/console gaming for control in the living room "war" would have been in some jeopardy to say the least.
I guess it's all in how you look at it though. MS is down Billions because of RROD and having to buy exclusives, DLC content and the like while Sony is down Billions for putting out such an expensive to build hardware wise plus the losses of releasing that console to the public @ less than cost to manufacture ALONG with fighting the format war! All while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with their little money printing machine!
I guess it's a "6 of 1 1/2 a dozen of the other" type of thing...ya know? ;) lol
Well isnt sony 2B into the PS3? if you look at the cost of pushing out units and the profit that could be made if you can sell 3 or 4 100K to start gaining a profit, they both spend millions and millions more just to get the thing to market. Though.. MS spent as much to patch the 360 up and from it they have won first place for the non casual crowd. Still I would not be surprised if MS have deserters because of it all....
[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN1237333820090112][/url]
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Saw that already but the Key word in that article from Reuters is "Sony" as a whole. NOT just for the PS3 as Zippy & I where discussing.
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I know that goes to show that if they are only reporting a loss of 1.1 billion common sense says its not ALL the ps3 thus you are more than likely right in saying it wasnt in the 2 billion.
A little old but not ancient:[url=http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439][/url]
This article says sony has lost more money in the ps3 3 billion than it made with the ps2 during its 5 peak years. It also says MS lost $4 billion with original xbox and $1 billion replacing the rrod's this gen. Sure firm things up a bit for ya champ
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Originally posted by Globe08:
I know that goes to show that if they are only reporting a loss of 1.1 billion common sense says its not ALL the ps3 thus you are more than likely right in saying it wasnt in the 2 billion.
A little old but not ancient: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439
This article says sony has lost more money in the ps3 3 billion than it made with the ps2 during its 5 peak years. It also says MS lost $4 billion with original xbox and $1 billion replacing the rrod's this gen. Sure firm things up a bit for ya champ
Thanx for finding that article (I think there is another too along the same lines), since I couldn't find it myself. +1! It just goes to show the "Playstation" line of products has been just about able to sustain any losses as a whole to weather the storm of these financial times (even if just treading water to keep their heads above it). I totally forgot to add the previous gen Xbox for MS and how it was written about that they would never be able to turn a profit (even with the 360 helping) or something to that effect but again I can't find that damned article as well now too /grumbles. but then again that would be "old" info as well, sooo no big deal.
There is also one last point of which I admit is definitely not my strong suit and that is how operating costs & profit and net profits etc. conflict/coincide with these topics.../shrugs shoulders. Sometimes it just gets too technical and I really care about is wanting to play good, fun games with awesome experiences with my family & friends.
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I know that goes to show that if they are only reporting a loss of 1.1 billion common sense says its not ALL the ps3 thus you are more than likely right in saying it wasnt in the 2 billion.
A little old but not ancient: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439
This article says sony has lost more money in the ps3 3 billion than it made with the ps2 during its 5 peak years. It also says MS lost $4 billion with original xbox and $1 billion replacing the rrod's this gen. Sure firm things up a bit for ya champ
Thanx for finding that article (I think there is another too along the same lines), since I couldn't find it myself. +1! It just goes to show the "Playstation" line of products has been just about able to sustain any losses as a whole to weather the storm of these financial times (even if just treading water to keep their heads above it). I totally forgot to add the previous gen Xbox for MS and how it was written about that they would never be able to turn a profit (even with the 360 helping) or something to that effect but again I can't find that damned article as well now too /grumbles. but then again that would be "old" info as well, sooo no big deal.
There is also one last point of which I admit is definitely not my strong suit and that is how operating costs & profit and net profits etc. conflict/coincide with these topics.../shrugs shoulders. Sometimes it just gets too technical and I really care about is wanting to play good, fun games with awesome experiences with my family & friends.
Agreed thats why i never see why people talk about finaces SOOO much.If the company isnt going out of business and they are still putting out the games i like i can give a shat less how they are doing on the stock market. Ya know too many of these things are out of our control....basically all of its out of our controller so i dont often see the need to quibble about it but its constantly a topic in gaming forums so its a necessary evil i guess. I mean for what its worth who cares if Sony or MS turn a profit this go round MS lost a whole lotta money last go round and this go round came out and got my vote based off my preferences. They lost 4 billions last gen and still put out incredible content and shady hardware but "I" havent been affected by it so i could care less i got what i paid for and love it
@ Zippy
Thats where i differ with you, i agree that the content and effort on a whole this gen is lackluster but when i see the gems out there like Gears 1/2, Bioshock,Braid, Call of duty series,Gta,Madden 09, and i then take in comparison how much it is for other forms of entertainment like internet/pc gaming, theatres,cable/satelite t.v.
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GTAIV was a HUGE let down for me. Utter crap compared to San Andreas...
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Originally posted by Morreale:
GTAIV was a HUGE let down for me. Utter crap compared to San Andreas...
I agree it was a let down but personally i hated San Andreas so it wasnt as bad for me. The plot in the newest one was a lot better than San Andreas but lacked some of the freedom S/A offered. The online was certainly a welcomed addition and then theres the addtional dlc content coming "exclusively" to the xbox 360. But id be lying if i said that i was happy with the game as i shouldve been after the most hyped game of all time was released. GTA did let down and when it got the ratings it got and the hype it got it shouldve been flawless. I loved certain aspects of assasins creed but then the missions were so repetative that it nearly killed the game. The graphics were insane,physics insane,combat and mobility in the game was hella fun. I mean the climbing and free running was a blast. Plot was solid but laid out awkwardly but in the end the missions were to boring. My friend and I swapped Prince of Persia for Dead Space with me getting Dead Space so im about to go crack it open...later fellas.... and Ladies
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Thats where i differ with you, i agree that the content and effort on a whole this gen is lackluster but when i see the gems out there like Gears 1/2, Bioshock,Braid, Call of duty series,Gta,Madden 09, and i then take in comparison how much it is for other forms of entertainment like internet/pc gaming, theatres,cable/satelite t.v.
No no I agree with you those games are gems of the the day but to me they are "worth less" as Halflife,Unreal,Doom,Blood,Undying,Halo 1,Quake 1-2,Turok 1-2,ect these games were made for enthusiasts not the witless modern casual gamer, I just do not see price equating to quality in gaming anymore.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
No no I agree with you those games are gems of the the day but to me they are "worth less" as Halflife,Unreal,Doom,Blood,Undying,Halo 1,Quake 1-2,Turok 1-2,ect these games were made for enthusiasts not the witless modern casual gamer, I just do not see price equating to quality in gaming anymore.
Or the witless modern hardcore gamer, such as my loser friends ;)
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