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Sony: Xbox 360 is too expensive
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article published on 9 January, 2009
Sony's marketing team has taken aim at Microsoft's Xbox 360 console in a recent press release, branding the console as too expensive and hyping the PlayStation 3 (PS3) as the best offer for your money. Specifically, Sony targeted the Xbox 360 Arcade unit, which it valued as $199. The press release claims that to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 ... [ read the full article ]
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17. January 2009 @ 16:10 |
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Haha is this how pathetic Sony has become, they have to bash the other companies in order to get customers? lmao what happened to Sony.
I dont see Microsoft or Nintendo bashing each other oh wait they have most of the market why would they lmao.
PS3 is a great system it just needs more games, Xbox 360 has been out a lot longer and has a great selection. As for Wii, im not so fond of it but I do think its great.
Playstation is VERY WEAK now that they have to bash Microsoft. Microsoft came late in the game. Nintendo and Sony where battling each other years before. The fact that you let a company come along as rookies to the console wars and make you have to talk smack about them just shows me your weak!
My cousin is a hardcore Playstation fan and has a PS3. He bought a XBOX 360 Elite and has nothing but great things to say about it. Yes he still plays his PS3 but even he a hardcore Playstation fan admits there is just much more stuff for 360 that hes more interested in.
Sony are dumb thinking of attacking the fact that you have to buy this or that addons. HELLO I cant speak for other countries but here in America people want OPTIONS! if they dont use it they dont want it and would pay less for what options they actualy want instead of paying more for things they are not going to use!
As for the WiFi thing, It does have an ethernet port. Seriously do you think people are not going online with there xbox 360's because they dont have WiFi? haha thats a joke. I wont be suprised if they dont make an Elite with Wifi in the future as another optional system.
PS3 online gaming lags and is not always working properly I believe due to the fact that its free. Microsft can afford to have fast running servers with millions of users because there users are contributing to the costs of these servers. Although $50 is kind of steep for some people.
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Originally posted by damncrap:
I dont see Microsoft or Nintendo bashing each other oh wait they have most of the market why would they lmao.
I agree Nintendo doesn't but MS? They have a history of ALWAYS comparing themselves to Sony and putting down their products...
Originally posted by damncrap:
PS3 is a great system it just needs more games, Xbox 360 has been out a lot longer and has a great selection. As for Wii, im not so fond of it but I do think its great.
Your opinion of game selection does not equate facts. The PS3 has MORE than enough great titles. The "PS3 has no games" bit went out in late 2007.
Originally posted by damncrap:
Playstation is VERY WEAK now that they have to bash Microsoft. Microsoft came late in the game. Nintendo and Sony where battling each other years before. The fact that you let a company come along as rookies to the console wars and make you have to talk smack about them just shows me your weak!
Knowing that MS does the same (as I explained earlier), does that change your views to them being "very weak" as well? I wholeheartedly agree it is odd for Sony to do this, and is definitely outside the norm for them, but how does that equate to "weakness"? I could see a bit of embarrassment on their part though, but not weakness.
Originally posted by damncrap:
Sony are dumb thinking of attacking the fact that you have to buy this or that addons. HELLO I cant speak for other countries but here in America people want OPTIONS! if they dont use it they dont want it and would pay less for what options they actualy want instead of paying more for things they are not going to use!
So you are speaking for everyone in America? Because you sure don't speak for me! I sure as hell don't want to pay MORE for LESS, and buying them as "options" over "inclusions" actually costs more...so I ask this, do you like wasting money?
Originally posted by damncrap:
As for the WiFi thing, It does have an ethernet port. Seriously do you think people are not going online with there xbox 360's because they dont have WiFi? haha thats a joke. I wont be suprised if they dont make an Elite with Wifi in the future as another optional system.
I also agree that they should not have added WiFi in their comparison but you can get very similar results with items that ARE basically necessities. The honest and fairest comparison to use for BOTH sides is
$300 360 60gb model + 1 year of LIVE! $50 + 1 controller $50 + 2 play & charge kits $40 = $440
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$400 PS3 80gb model + 1 controller $50 + HDMI cable $5 = $455
That is the LEAST amount you will spend for the AVERAGE gamer up to the HARDCORE, and maybe even including the CASUAL one as well as too. I added charge & play kits because if you factor in throw away non rechargeable batteries (which IS needed) it will cost EVEN more money in the long run. So this is a totally fair comparison. No WiFi added, No HD-DVD, No additional extras etc. to "pad" one side or the other. BUT let it be known that they do have to be noted as possibly costing CERTAIN users extra money (well not HD-DVD but you get the point).
I personally would add the the Live Vision Camera $40 & PSEye $40 (because it IS a "wash" being equally priced) and the $5 HDMI cable for the 360 Pro Model since it doesn't come with one (only the Elite does) BUT since it does come with HD component cables I feel that would be unfair to add a price when it can "out of the box" do HD whereas the PS3 does not. PLUS I don't want people complaining about these items (as well for some reason) because I am trying to keep it FAIR for BOTH sides unlike past comparisons.
So "out the door" the 360 is $15 cheaper I will agree...but after the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. year, it is not at all. So even though Sony is absolutely mistaken in even bothering with this "comparison" in the end their result/point holds true.
Originally posted by damncrap:
PS3 online gaming lags and is not always working properly I believe due to the fact that its free. Microsft can afford to have fast running servers with millions of users because there users are contributing to the costs of these servers.
I don't know where you get that info from because I have NEVER experienced anything like you said "PS3 online gaming lags and is not always working" that is an outright blatant lie,absolutely incorrect and definitely misinformed. You have NO idea what you are talking about and must have no experience with the PSN to say something as false as that.
If anything MS are the ones with much more MAJOR documented problems (06 & 07 Christmas, Halo 3, Gears 1 and Gears 2 as well with some VERY recent issues too). Look, you have your opinion about the PS3, Sony or whatever. Fine. But please back up your "statements" with proof & not opinion when you make fallacious comments like those.
I believe PEOPLE (not Americans) would rather a sense of worth for what they paid for. The BEST Value for the cost of investment. Call me crazy, but I love my money and think others do to. I personally want to get the most out of what I spend, and the last 2 gens Sony has not disappointed, neither has Nintendo for the vast majority of their outings. MS cannot say the same with the quick in and out >4 years support for the original Xbox.
That's not to say I do not appreciate any other console manufacturers or that I don't own/game on others (as I own at least 10 different consoles including a 360). It's just I like to as they say, "Work smarter, not harder" and that correlates to me, my decisions, my work/way of income & my money.
In addition, to put it simply, if you buy something that consistently fails, malfunctions & breaks was it worth the money spent? Quality does not only mean gameplay to me, it is a culmination of a few factors like stability, support, past history, build standards, performance and more. If I "lose out" on a very few titles just to avoid headaches, then it's not really a "loss" then huh? While on the flip side it's only a "plus plus" situation and the benefits truly outweigh playing a handful of games I personally wouldn't miss especially since I can get 95% of them on my PC.
Maybe I'm selfish but I want the most out of ANYTHING electronic and if certain companies fall short it's not my fault that manufacturer didn't commit/provide/fulfill what I wanted. That I feel correlates to what PEOPLE would want more so than what options "Americans" want.
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Oner,
1: Agreed, MS are every bit as competitive as Sony in that regard, but at least when they do speak out, they don't make a complete prat of themselves. Well, not so ofte anyway.
2: Overall, the statement is false, but the thought behind the comment is true. The PS3, while catering satisfactorily to a number of games, has far fewer titles than the Xbox 360, and certainly the Wii, effectively rendering it a console for those who are very concerned about its exclusives and little else.
4: I too would prefer to buy a console that comes with the goodies to start with, but the fact is, that's what the 360 Premium really is, aside from Live. Since the 360 has never had support for BluRay (now the only HD video format) I'll ignore that. The 360 Premium doesn't need to be marketed for any less than it is, so the addition of the Arcade version is welcome to those who actually think it's a better buy.
5: Integrated WiFi would be a good thing, but the fact remains, you don't need to buy THE wireless adapter to make the 360 wireless, you can do the job yourself cheaper.
6: Reading your price comparison it's also important to consider that the PS3 is not priced as competitively in europe.
7: Wrong approach to the PSN vs Xbox live lag debate. No online network can possibly be free from lag due to the globality of its setup, but the irony is that Xbox Live is actually worse than PSN in that regard.
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17. January 2009 @ 20:47 |
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Haha in Australia the PS3 used to cost $1000. Now it is down to about $700.
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Yeah true Sam, most things can be subjective but others are just plain wrong or misinformed for the most part, which is why certain corrections where necessary (overall).
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18. January 2009 @ 05:08 |
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well im not trying to be funny but sony had the market before ms but the let it slip secound sony need a new control pads third there are
no games for the ps3 forth having to many thing built in to a console is not good i love the ps2 but if sony want to make it they better step their game up and work on their control pad and i no it is sad but they might have to work on a achivement score thing yes ps3 goes on the web but thats not what people want and a big hard drive is not putting up the ps3 sale either
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redcar12
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18. January 2009 @ 05:13 |
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o yer ps2 all the way but ps3 is not good make i was expecting more from sony sony so silly you were robbed by ms
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18. January 2009 @ 05:52 |
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this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
THEY ALL ARE WAY OVERPRICED
so if you are throwing away money what difference is it is you throw another $50-$150
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18. January 2009 @ 08:22 |
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Lol? The Wii maybe, the PS3 probably, but I think the 360 represents fair value for money. That's not fanboyism, that's because it's the cheapest game system of the three, and costs barely half as much more than a DS, and let's face it, while a DS is awesome for its portability, the 360 is a lot of gaming possibility for the price. It's the games that are too expensive.
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18. January 2009 @ 08:40 |
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Hi Sam .. the big problem with the DS is the hinge.. it breaks way to easily, and the cabling through it is very vulnerable when that happens.
The touchscreen is also easily damaged, and impossible to replace without fitting a whole new screen.. just my 2c as a poor dogsbody who has just about given up trying to repair them XD
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18. January 2009 @ 09:06 |
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I just wanted to respond to this comment:
In anycase there have also been software issues, and the battery in the controller may be convenient but if the battery itself looses the ability to hold a charge you need to replace the whole controller seeing as they didnt make a replaceable battery accessory for it.
On page 19-20 of your instruction manual for the PS3 they show you how to replace the battery.
I also wanted to repond to this comment:
Also the size of the dam thing....does it really need to be so big? i guess from a performance point of view the fact that it has a BR drive, standard now 80G HD, HD capabilities and a few othre things jammed into this thing...
It uses a laptop hard drive so that shouldn't have a lot to do with the size. I mean there are laptops now that have HD capabilities and wiresless connectivity that are half the size of the ps3 right ? Maybe they made it big so that it is easy to upgrade in the furture. Also on page 17 of the PS3 manual they show you how to replace or upgrade the hard drive. So if 80gb is not enough space for you, you can put a bigger one in. Since they use a laptop hard drive, however much space you need could probably be attained.
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Neither my friend's or my dad's DS has had a problem with the hinge yet. Guess the solution is not to drop it...
Rammstein: The bulk of the PS3's size is to do with its cooling solution. The one legitimate criticism of the early xboxes will tell you that was a good decision on Sony's part.
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Correct rammstein. You have always been able to replace the controller battery yourself, as you said it even has the breakdown of how to in the PS3 manual.
You can buy replacements all over the net, here are 2 examples: here for $5.55 OR here for even less. There has also been information that stated Sony will replace the batteries FOR FREE. Not the controller but the battery itself. This all started after the original article on GamesRadar a few years back that said gamers would end up buying new pads and it blew up from there and continues to this day....it's just misinformation and fanboys who don't care to speak facts, find the proper facts or just like to spread FUD. Anyway A Sony spokesperson responded with the following:
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This is a purely speculative story and is largely untrue. The latest generation of Lithium Polymer batteries hardly suffer any memory effect at all, so it'll be many years before there's any degradation in terms of battery performance.
At the same time he also confirmed if the pads did ever die, then Sony would replace them free of charge. I personally don't think they will for EVERYBODY but the price to do it yourself equally covers the shipping charges to send a DS3/SixAxiS so why send it anyway? Just use the money for shipping for a battery. Done.
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the size of the dam thing....does it really need to be so big? i guess from a performance point of view the fact that it has a BR drive, standard now 80G HD, HD capabilities and a few othre things jammed into this thing...
When you put a 360 next to a PS3 it is only minimally larger. Additionally to what earlier posters said (cooling etc.) the PS3 has it's power supply INTERNALLY compared to the brick you get with the 360 (that also had a failure issues at launch as well...not many people remember that one huh?). And we all know a PS3 slim is going to come...it's just a matter of time.
Originally posted by redcar12:
well im not trying to be funny but sony had the market before ms but the let it slip secound sony need a new control pads third there are no games for the ps3 forth having to many thing built in to a console is not good i love the ps2 but if sony want to make it they better step their game up and work on their control pad and i no it is sad but they might have to work on a achivement score thing yes ps3 goes on the web but thats not what people want and a big hard drive is not putting up the ps3 sale either
1) Nothing has "slipped" they are tracking fine globally and have outsold the 360 in it's 2 years comparatively (20 mill PS3 vs 17 mill 360). And that's not bad for a system that has ALWAYS been the most expensive.
2) The controller issue can be fixed by you buying one that YOU like, a redesign is not needed. It's ergonomic and physically "equal" in it's button layout. Plus with over 230 Million Playstation 1 & 2 consoles sold, I think more people would be against it. The uproar they got when they tried to introduce the "boomerang" controller before the PS3's launch is proof of this. The majority of PS owners don't need nor want a controller change.
3) Not the "PS3 has no games" bit again...as I said in the other thread already. That "view" is sooo tired & went out in late 2007. There might be "less" games in total vs the 360 because of their 1 year head start but there are MORE than enough games to choose from and enjoy.
4) The PS3 has had trophies since early to mid 2008. From 2009 and on all games are required to have them. They have also been said to be somehow used in the future for items in PS Home as a sort of "money" or something to that effect. Point is they have them.
5) You can't speak for others with a comment like "yes ps3 goes on the web but thats not what people want". Because you sure don't speak for me! I personally love the fact I can go on the web with my PS3 and everyone I know uses it as well. I am sure Millions of others do to especially because of access to Hulu, Youtube, Gametrailers, Flash Games capability, Afterdawn ;) [had to throw that one in!] and any number of MILLIONS of sites to browse...I can't understand how something that gives you added benefits and MORE options out of the box is somehow "bad"? I will NEVER understand that way of thinking.
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In terms of the amount of space it occupies, the PS3 is still noticeably larger, but the internal power supply is useful. As far as the issues with the 360's power brick go, let's not forget that while the xbox's technical faults were far worse at launch, so was the PS3's game list. Both the PS3 and the Wii were dire for games versions, and sold simply on their backwards compatibility. The 360 wasn't perfect either, but was its one saving grace from all the red rings and other failed components.
I will agree on the controller design and web access issue - the PS2 controller in my mind is ideal, and exra features to a device, provided they work, in my mind are always welcome.
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18. January 2009 @ 17:01 |
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BluRay is patently unnecessary for gaming, so why pay for it if you don't want it? Wireless connectivity isn't necessary or even better, so why pay for it if you don't want it? I just hacked in a 120g WD Scorpio to a 360 caddy. (There are no copyright issues here so I am quite unabashed about it). Besides MS are offering arcade owners cheap 20g drives. Batteries aren't a problem- just buy a cheap NiMh fast recharge pack from the supermarket, how easy could that be?
I remember having to buy a ethernet adapter and other stuff for my PS2, Sony are being hypocrites, I went through so many controllers. Besides you HAVE to have pay for a HDD on the PS3 to hold some game data on account the OD doesn't produce the data-rates to run games completely on the fly.
Originally posted by Oner:
Lastly I would like to say this. I have been said to have a tendency to "show MS in a bad way" I honestly don't mean to. I just give more information or a different view to show more than just what the media would have you beleive. Especially when there is handily a greater percentage of "doom & gloom" posts/news against Sony when clearly other factors aren't accounted for to make that "headline" grab readers for hits, traffic and ad revenue...
Maybe so Oner- but you certainly don't give that impression. At the very least you spend an inordinate length of time talking up the PS3 and say almost nothing positive about the 360 in any way. Your excuse that you feel a need (as a moderator!) to personally intervene at great length in the forums to address some kind of subjective imbalance doesn't wash in my books.
I'm talking to you as I would a normal poster as you choose to present yourself in this thread and I will not be cowed by your position.
Now you and I have politely discussed console hardware matters before and your claim that you know "just about all there is to know about consoles" (from another thread) just floors me. Some of your claims are just outright spurious.
You still insist that difficult quirky programming structure inspires creativity in game design- where is the evidence for that? I am 180 degrees in opposition to that remark. The GOTY on many good sites was World of Goo or Braid. Inspires creativity in programming methods? quite possibly, creativity in gameplay? no. It's sounds nice but doesn't hold up in reality.
Also, the 360 is maxed out or has reached the end of it's programmable life, in terms of generational programming. Codswallop! The creator or GeOW & GeOW2 doesn't think so, so how would you know better than him? The 360 is a "bullet-proof" directly addressed programming environment. As are all consoles.
The overall differences in the consoles in the "eating of the pudding" are not as great as you like to point out. Face it, the 360 is a popular console whether you like it or not, 360 owners can't all be stupid, they must have some good reasons regardless of the RRoD you bring up so often.
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Originally posted by Morreale:
MGS4 without Blu-Ray? Please...
Hmmm, MGS4 was roundly critiqued for suffering from endless JPS cutscenes, that's where your gigs went.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Morreale:
MGS4 without Blu-Ray? Please...
Hmmm, MGS4 was roundly critiqued for suffering from endless JPS cutscenes, that's where your gigs went.
I watched every single one :)
Without them, it would have been just some lame regular shooter. What a story. It's all detail, extra effort. You don't see that in, well, any games today really...
MGS4 and GTA4 both got 10s from Gamespot. Which one REALLY deserves it?
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The 360 is now running out of space with only 9GB DVDs. BluRay was a smart down the line choice, sadly its initial cost was a bit too high to justify initially.
Sony may have made you buy anything and everything for the PS2, but funnily enough, the PS2 and PS3 are not the same, and Sony changed their tune for the newer console.
I don't agree that the 360 has many many years of life left in it, but I don't think it will die much before the PS3.
Morreale: Couldn't agree more. GTA4 is a very good game, but a game has to be truly special to get 10, and GTA4 just ain't it. MGS4 isn't my sort of game, but it's easy to see it is a masterful product. Since I have not played it I can't comment on it deserving 10, but in genral, I don't think it is worth 10 from what I've seen. To say so without much justification is MGS4, and thus, PS3 fanboyism. I do agree that the cutscenes are a big waste of resources, but there has already been a complaint about lack of space on the DVD9 format (Project Gotham 4 I believe), and that can only continue. MGS4 is really an exercise in showing off just how much room there is to use/waste.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
At the very least you spend an inordinate length of time talking up the PS3 and say almost nothing positive about the 360 in any way. Your excuse that you feel a need (as a moderator!) to personally intervene at great length in the forums to address some kind of subjective imbalance doesn't wash in my books.
I call a piece of crap hardware just as it is and I do so to inform misinformed people so they can know to be wary. NEVER have I said nor believe every game on the 360 is "bad" and the same for what LIVE! offers. I have my personal preferences just as ANY OTHER person on here so sorry if it "bothers" you or when I correct people for being mistaken or passing on false things...I mean god forbid I offer up some proper information that is absolutely verifiable and truthful in a forum where people ask for help or post lies....especially when my area of expertise IS gaming & consoles of which is why I was brought on here at aD.
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Now you and I have politely discussed console hardware matters before and your claim that you know "just about all there is to know about consoles" (from another thread) just floors me. Some of your claims are just outright spurious.
I have been gaming for nearly 30 years across ALL different platforms. I have been at this on aD alone for 7 years. I have done my best to help grow all the console sections to over 1 Million posts during these years along with had direct input to their changes, upgrades & layout over the years. I don't think I should have to say anything more, I feel I have said enough. You take it which ever way you like, as you are going to anyway NO matter what I say. That is clear, your post itself is proof of this.
Originally posted by Jemborg:
You still insist that difficult quirky programming structure inspires creativity in game design- where is the evidence for that? I am 180 degrees in opposition to that remark. The GOTY on many good sites was World of Goo or Braid. Inspires creativity in programming methods? quite possibly, creativity in gameplay? no. It's sounds nice but doesn't hold up in reality.
Care to show where I have "insisted" this? Because you won't find it. I have said Sony as a whole with every PS console that has come out have PUSHED the limits of tech to help grow the industry...not stagnate it with using OLD off the shelf tech that doesn't even work for the life of the gen it is supposed to last through. Far different than what you are assuming and claiming. As for GOTY why didn't you mention all the accolades MGS4, LBP and some other PS exclusive franchises have received in 08 by IGN, G4, Gamespy, Gametrailers, Gamespot & MANY, MANY more? Seems a bit odd to me. Whereas the only GOTY for a specific genre contender for the 360 was LFD? Gears won almost NOTHING anywhere, whilst any other "winners" for the 360 where multiplatform titles that are obviously available elsewhere.
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Also, the 360 is maxed out or has reached the end of it's programmable life, in terms of generational programming. Codswallop! The creator or GeOW & GeOW2 doesn't think so, so how would you know better than him? The 360 is a "bullet-proof" directly addressed programming environment.
I don't need to know more, I just need and use Epics OWN words that support what I have said for over a year. As well as other devs who have said the same. Hell even Microsoft's own executives admitting the PS3 is more powerful citing THIS EXACT ARTICLE thread for the base of the topic! I called this over a year ago so I think I deserve some credit as I was right. The 360 can't do ray tracing like the PS3 can (even if at an infancy stage currently) GT5P & Killzone 2 are PROOF of this. Also why is KZ2 being compared visually to Crysis? Has there EVER been ANY title on the 360 that has held that distinction? Nope. Now that is not to say I believe it is graphically superior but the mere fact it is being held to it as a standard is mind boggling! Although there are MANY areas where KZ2 surpasses Crysis (said by those in the industry and I agree) ~ Lighting, Character Models, Weapon detail, Weather & overall game atmosphere, hit detection & definitely animation to name a few. PLUS it has the gameplay to match!
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Face it, the 360 is a popular console whether you like it or not, 360 owners can't all be stupid, they must have some good reasons regardless of the RRoD you bring up so often.
I have NEVER said the 360 is not a popular console so there is nothing to "face"...but good sales in America do not hold true to the way it is for the WHOLE world. For the first 8-9 months of 2008 the PS3 was outselling the 360 (in every market) and MS's only defense was to cut the price and after doing so only "beat" the PS3 (in 1 market the US, split about even all over the EU & lost in JP) by maybe a couple hundred thousand World Wide? All the while being quite a bit more expensive, and on top of all of that couldn't even beat the Wii being even less than it! Come on!
Originally posted by Jemborg:
360 owners can't all be stupid
They're not. But ones who continue to buy and support something that continually breaks and then have the gall to complain about the PS3's price are questionable. And please don't try and make the comparison to the PS2's DRE issues. There is no comparison in the shear amount of failures between the 2. This is fact. PS2 had a less than 6% failure rate (and that is a REALLY high estimate) while the 360's is WAAAY above that (by at least 5x).
Lastly I add...it's ALWAYS a personal thing isn't it?
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Oner, the PS3 has always been more powerful. That doesn't make it a better product. It also baffles me that you still continue to spout on about the 360's technical problems. Presumably you think they are still as much a problem as they used to be.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Oner, the PS3 has always been more powerful. That doesn't make it a better product. It also baffles me that you still continue to spout on about the 360's technical problems. Presumably you think they are still as much a problem as they used to be.
Sorry its had "issues" for more than half its lifespan that has given it schizophrenic like neurosis's making game behave differently on different units.
I'll give you the PS3 has more power but that gap of power difference has yet to be crossed due to the assine code/hardware structure they chose to use.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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18. January 2009 @ 21:27 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Oner, the PS3 has always been more powerful. That doesn't make it a better product. It also baffles me that you still continue to spout on about the 360's technical problems. Presumably you think they are still as much a problem as they used to be.
I definitely understand that power does not equate to being better. But the same can be said to how something having better sales does not equate to quality ;). As far as the technical problems with the 360 the only revision SO FAR to not have any problems yet is the new Jasper model and even then that is questionable as at this years CES MS had 2 RROD's. It wouldn't be too far fetched to say they would have showcased their latest model for this show...but that is not in any was confirmation nor does "2" make for a problem. Only time will tell for the Jasper. Whereas EVERY revision to date has had many a problem. Would you not agree?
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18. January 2009 @ 21:31 |
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Actually I haven't heard any more horror stories with the Falcon than with any other console really. Some have failed, but I wouldn't call it more than other consoles necessarily have had. The originals were certainly a nightmare and I know someone personally who has just had his third delivered, but oddly enough, our older xbox (manufactured in 2006) is so far so good, though the DVD drive is dodgy. A lot of PS2s went down after a few years, and while mine still works at the age of 6, it crashes more often than it used to, and it hasn't really been used that extensively since about 2005.
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18. January 2009 @ 21:39 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I'll give you the PS3 has more power but that gap of power difference has yet to be crossed due to the assine code/hardware structure they chose to use.
Just like previous Playstation consoles have always been. Would you expect any less? lol! But ever since Uncharted 1 it was evident the PS3 had "more" to it that was waiting to be tapped...again just like all previous Playstation consoles have been as well too. But this time around it's MUCH different. The internal dev network has greatly improved this gen and tools, code, sharing knowledge & even the build up of a new engine (KZ2) for use in future titles instead of just wasting it on exclusive "DLC" and new IP's.
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