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Sony: Xbox 360 is too expensive
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article published on 9 January, 2009
Sony's marketing team has taken aim at Microsoft's Xbox 360 console in a recent press release, branding the console as too expensive and hyping the PlayStation 3 (PS3) as the best offer for your money. Specifically, Sony targeted the Xbox 360 Arcade unit, which it valued as $199. The press release claims that to get all the features of a standard 80GB PS3 model (at $399) for the Xbox 360 ... [ read the full article ]
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18. January 2009 @ 21:55 |
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Here's one I will concede. If it's so hard to program for the PS3, why are there so many titles on the 360 that you can also get on the PS3?
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Morreale
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18. January 2009 @ 23:14 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Here's one I will concede. If it's so hard to program for the PS3, why are there so many titles on the 360 that you can also get on the PS3?
Why do most EA games look better on a 360? There's your answer.
But at least other companies like Rockstar and such(GTAIV looks better on PS3 IMO) take the time To make them the same. EA can just die (but not Harmonix... Spare them).
360 uses familiar coding that devs are used to, PS3 is new so devs have a harder time. It's not necessarily harder, you just gotta take the time to learn it. Then it's easy :)
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19. January 2009 @ 00:45 |
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Just responding to what most americans may want in regards to a videogaming console. I think that Microsoft has the better approach with more options as to what specifically you do and do not want to spend extra money for even if PS3 is a better deal when comparing PS3 and Xbox360 fully equipped with all the major features and add-ons. I dont think the majority of americans choose the best bang for your buck, most choose what suits their lifestyle the best at that particular time. Everyone is diff and knows what fits their fancy. Just as i choose Energizer rechargable batteries for my remotes b/c they last longer(made for high energy draining electronics), and recharge in 15 minutes. My rechargable batteries outlast all alkalines i have seen so far and my digital camera proved this as they are known for sucking the life out of ordinary alkaline batt. at an amazing rate.
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19. January 2009 @ 08:05 |
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Originally posted by Morreale:
Why do most EA games look better on a 360? There's your answer.
Er, last time I checked, they don't. Graphically, the PS3 is the weaker console, hence a lot of the games running at 1024x600 versus the xbox's 1280x720. It's not a huge difference though. The PS3 just takes nVidia's usual approach of overdoing lighting effects.
Originally posted by Morreale:
But at least other companies like Rockstar and such(GTAIV looks better on PS3 IMO) take the time To make them the same. EA can just die (but not Harmonix... Spare them).
Interesting. I don' think GTA4 is a particularly great looking game in the grand scheme of things (Xbox 360 + PC), but it's interesting to hear it's a better looking game on the PS3, perhaps again, due to lighting effects. Lol @ the Harmonix, I quite agree.
Originally posted by Morreales:
360 uses familiar coding that devs are used to, PS3 is new so devs have a harder time. It's not necessarily harder, you just gotta take the time to learn it. Then it's easy :)
Which they've now done...
lxhotboy: I would never consider anything but NiMH batteries for a high powered portable device, especially cameras. Not after seeing how much they outlast alkalines. You are right to an extent about the consoles, a great deal of sales are determined by which console offers the best stuff at the time, though there are a lot of parents around I suspect that would much rather spend £160 on a console than £300, when it to them, does the same job.
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19. January 2009 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Just responding to what most americans may want in regards to a videogaming console. I think that Microsoft has the better approach with more options as to what specifically you do and do not want to spend extra money for even if PS3 is a better deal when comparing PS3 and Xbox360 fully equipped with all the major features and add-ons. I dont think the majority of americans choose the best bang for your buck, most choose what suits their lifestyle the best at that particular time. Everyone is diff and knows what fits their fancy. Just as i choose Energizer rechargable batteries for my remotes b/c they last longer(made for high energy draining electronics), and recharge in 15 minutes. My rechargable batteries outlast all alkalines i have seen so far and my digital camera proved this as they are known for sucking the life out of ordinary alkaline batt. at an amazing rate.
but thats just it the XB360 ISNT the best bang for your buck because those Options you mentioned are all unecesserily detached from the system when they should come standard with it (i.e. wireless, HD output, battery charger) the fact that they made these optional are retarded since most systems come with them right out of the box. If they had made those come standard i can GUARANTEE you that it would be the same price as the ps3 but less popular due to the fees of internet use, annoyance of changing the battery once every month, and the countless other expenses they have including the issues the system has itself.
you claim that most people buy something based on if its best suited for their life...but how is endless fees for something you could be getting free suited for an every day life? it's just retarded to think that just because a system has more games that makes it better for their life when they don't put enough though into how they'll pay for the extras that they could ALSO be getting for free on the PS3...everything that they claim is suited for their life costs extra to get it on the 360 but is FREE on the ps3. how retarded can a person be to think that way?
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19. January 2009 @ 13:27 |
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By most systems, you mean just the PS3. The Wii has wireless but rechargable batteries are not included, neither is a battery charger. In addition, a charging dock is not an official product for the Wii, and is known to cause hardware failures.
As it stands now, the cost of the Xbox's official wireless peripheral plus multiple play and charge kits does not make up the gap in price, let alone the far cheaper option of building the device into the console itself. Also, annoyance of charging the battery once a month? You can't seriously expect us to believe tht the PS3's controllers never need charging?
Still, your post is invalidated by the number of times you've used the word retarded, and the fact that you have no idea how to string a sentence together.
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19. January 2009 @ 14:42 |
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I've never had a controller die on me when I'm playing, and when the battery is low I just grab my other controller off of the USB and put the dead one on. No problems. I think rechargeable controllers are absolutely necessary for every console because I know on my Wii I run through batteries like mad and when I'm at my friend's house we have to take turns using 1 controller because he never has any batteries and his other controllers are dead... We literally hunt for batteries; take them out of his remotes, phones, old toys and whatever else uses AA batteries lol
I also think wireless is necessary in every system (or in a 360 anyways) because lots of people today use wireless because it's easier. I NEED wireless in everything in my house because my modem is in the most retarded spot and I can't place it anywhere else. It was one of the reasons why I got a PS3 over a 360... Although now after a year I wired it up (not easy bringing a cable through a ceiling with a piece of string... extreme) because I didn't really like it's 35% connection (through 5 walls.. I was surprised it had a signal)...
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19. January 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Wireless can still be achieved on the 360 without buying the official wireless adapter. It's not ideal, but it's a lot more reasonable.
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19. January 2009 @ 15:00 |
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The only things i can comment on are wireless (on the 360) and 360 controllers. For the controllers (and ALL other games controllers/remote controls i own) i just use rechargeable batteries (2500+NiMh as digitial cameras kill batteries far too soon so i always have loads of decent rechargeable batteries around). No need to buy rechargeable battery packs or other such gadgets whatsoever.
Whilst i love the old type xbox controllers as they're laid out well and have really long cables, on the 360 i really rate the standard wireless controllers and don't want wires draped across the floor. I certainly wouldn't buy those daft wired charge and play controllers, plus as i say, i use decent rechargeable batteries, i just charge a set whilst using a fresh set. How difficult is that ?.
As to wireless i use (between 2 and 4) wireless routers with (free) 3rd-party firmware that extend the wireless signal throughout the house, and every single bit of kit in the house is able to be connected via ethernet into those routers (which basically allows wireless without wires).
Neither of these 2 comments equate to the thread title of "Sony: Xbox 360 is too expensive".
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19. January 2009 @ 15:01 |
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For another $100... Comes out to the same price as a PS3 and a PS3 has way more features, more bang for your buck out of the box. Even a bigger HDD.
You could go with the Arcade but it has no HDD whatsoever... They could at least made it worth-while and bundle the Arcade with a 20GB HDD...
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19. January 2009 @ 15:12 |
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Surely if adding the price of wireless adapter makes it equal price to a PS3, then it's equal bang for the buck?
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19. January 2009 @ 15:58 |
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Are you forgetting every feature that the PS3 has and the 360 doesn't?
Like an internet browser with flash, OtherOS, free online, Home, Blu-Ray, card readers, Bluetooth, a rechargeable controller, an 80GB HDD(any size really), DVD upscaling and it's oher multimedia capabilities. I don't think I'm missing anything but I use all of that so I'm good :)
With the 360 at $400, I get, well, wifi, and I guess a DVD player, but my Wii can do that too. Um... Some multimedia support, and a 60GB HDD too... Hmm...
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19. January 2009 @ 16:08 |
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The price of Xbox Live isn't a huge issue, it's a surprisingly reliable system, and ultimately Microsoft have every right to charge for it. I have not read too much into this, but from what I have read, it seems that PSN has had issues in the past, particularly around the release of LittleBigPlanet - perhaps due to the load created by the fact that everyone who owns a PS3 has online access, not just those who pay for it.
The size of the HDD in the PS3 is meaningless, the version of the 360 it competes with uses a 60GB instead of 80GB hard drive. What is that being used for? The only possible way you can fill that space is by installing games, and since PS3 games are twice the size of the 360's, the drive should really be 120GB. At least you can buy a factory xbox with a 120GB drive.
The multimedia support of the xbox is everything the PS3's is minus BluRay. In my opinion, the sole realistic use of BluRay is to store more data, not high def video. The HDCP system employed on it renders it an absolute nightmare for the paying customer.
Note, I'm not trying to claim the xbox 360 is better than the PS3, it just isn't. What I am saying is that it isn't any worse.
The one thing that puts the 360 behind the PS3 is the lack of web usage. Personally I have no use for this but I have seen it used to great effect by others (on a Wii, not a PS3) and know it's a valuable tool. That said, at present I still feel the game library of the 360 merits a slightly higher total cost than the PS3. Also, in particular for Rock Band players like me, the xbox 360 is the more friendly console with regard to compatibility. That's just how it is.
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19. January 2009 @ 17:36 |
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I fill 80GBs no problem with all of the movie torrents I download in Kubuntu...
When MS came out with live it was just like a little test to see if people would like the service and they charged for it to pay the bills. Now with all of the adds they place all over the dashboard alone, they shouldn't need to charge anything because they make enough money off of the ads I'm sure of it. How come Sony can offer their online for free and MS can't?
Actually have PS3s bundled with 160GB HDDs and Uncharted for $520, but I wouldn't buy that since you can get a much bigger laptop HDD for an extra $120, minus the game... 360's HDDs are overpriced and small compared to what you can have on a PS3, if you need the space. I LOL@ their 60GB HDD for $110+...
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19. January 2009 @ 17:45 |
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7 pages.. 90% of which is complete and utter fanboy crap.
the 360 is affordable gaming with a good selection of games at often discounted rates.. Therefore it offers more "bang per buck" whatever that moronic statement means.. because it IS cheaper.. has MORE games.. and does the same thing.
Whine on for another 9 days and 3 million pointless fanboy posts.. why the hell not.. great way to troll up your postcount eh??
want to know what I think??.. look in the console forums.. 99% of console buyers are morons .. fanboys who go on and on about "which one is ""best"" doubly so .. get your knuckles off the floor and start dong something real with your lives for a change... there is a world outside your salty smelling bedrooms .. ooops.. shhhh.. that's a secret only us real people know XD
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19. January 2009 @ 18:10 |
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Interesting, so the PS3 is better because it makes illegal downloads easier. Not really a legitimate criticism of the other product, if I' honest.
Whatever, like varnull says, there's nothing to be achieved here.
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19. January 2009 @ 18:43 |
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everything that they claim is suited for their life costs extra to get it on the 360 but is FREE on the ps3. how retarded can a person be to think that way?
At times we all need to think before we speak and here is an example with this post above. Nothing on the PS3 is free as that is the main reason that it is priced higher than the other consoles and the xbox360 giving the consumer the option to decide what you want gave grounds to lower prices for consumers who dont want all the extras. As far as that approach being retarded. I will not stoop to your level of name calling as your posting makes me think you have yet to experience your adolescent years and maturity is not in your corner but i will leave you with this. All those retarded add-ons that microsoft left off allows for the console to be sold at $199. Just imagine if the PS3 had a base unit with all the features but without a hardrive and minus the Wifi. Isnot it better to buy your own hardrive anyway allowing for more storage than the 80gig offers? With a optional PS3 console with an ethernet port that would suffice for online gameplay this could have possible made way for an $199 version of the PS3 console that could would surely be a thorn in the xbox360 side. Honestly, think about it. I think it would have helped their sales tremendously.
Exactly what does a 5 year old need with a hardrive, wireless adapter, or even internet to play online? I am pro-choice.
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19. January 2009 @ 20:00 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Interesting, so the PS3 is better because it makes illegal downloads easier. Not really a legitimate criticism of the other product, if I' honest.
Whatever, like varnull says, there's nothing to be achieved here.
Since when is downloading movies that I already own illegal? I download them all onto my PS3 so I can have all of them in one place and I always have an original copy in case any losers come knocking on my door... If I don't own the movie then it isn't worth my time.
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19. January 2009 @ 21:41 |
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20. January 2009 @ 00:06 |
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Perhaps some of these fanboys aught to realise that paying for a online service like Live is a common practice in online gaming. That's how WoW and many other games function. Comparing the cost of a subscription of WoW to Live you'll see that it's considerably less. About a third to a quarter of the price.
So, in conclusion, it's NOT unreasonable for M$ to charge for a "gold" service that gives you access to all their games. You still have "silver" if you want access to all the downloadable content for free.
Since the advent of NXE, sidestepped in this thread, you can play the whole game off HDD now. This quiets the 360 considerably, and in all probabilty will allieviate the RRoD hassle owners have. (because the drive located above the GPU is not generating so much heat).
As said before M$ will send an arcade owner a cheap HDD anyway. So it's no big deal. Anyway pop your own 120g HDD in it- I did.
Because $M went to the effort of creating the NXE- I would not be surprised if a browser may be in the works too. NXE demonstrates that M$ are committed to the 360 for a while yet. So talk of them ditching it to compete against the superior vaporware games endlessly promised by $ony and their fans is silly.
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20. January 2009 @ 00:10 |
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I think MS was quoted somewhere in this thread that they would never bring a browser or the option to install an OS because it would take away from the PC platform or something...
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20. January 2009 @ 00:30 |
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Originally posted by Morreale:
...Blu-Ray, card readers, Bluetooth, a rechargeable controller, an 80GB HDD(any size really), DVD upscaling...
Please, Morreale, get some facts right... the 360 has a "Scalar" chip specifically designed for upscaling, so no load on it's GPU. Unlike the PS3 which has to do it in software. (Also it's BluRay playback is done in software, which makes it questionable as to whether it's actually better to buy a dedicated hardware player for the job and extend the lifespan of what is, after all, a pretty crap optical drive assembly.)
The issue of having to have a rechargeable controller is dealt with with easily with NiMh batteries. So why keep bringing that up?
Please tell me why Bluetooth is better than WiFi mate- I can control the 360 from the other side of the house with it, so...?
PS. Btw, all decompression of data is also handled in the 360 (and the original Xbox) by dedicated hardware in real time on the fly. Just so you know.
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20. January 2009 @ 00:46 |
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Ok, I didn't know the 360 upscaled, guess it's my friend's crappy TV :P
360 has it's fair share of optical problems too, but I'll stay out of that.
You have to pay for rechargeable batteries either way. It just adds on top.
I'm not saying it's better controller-wise, I like it because sometimes I use it on Linux to transfer files on and off my celly just like I do on my iMac... Just some random stuff that I might find while I'm on or something.
Any better? :)
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20. January 2009 @ 01:02 |
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20. January 2009 @ 01:20 |
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Originally posted by july09:
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