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The truth about RIAA lawsuits: a look at the Joel Tenenbaum case
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article published on 24 January, 2009
In 2007 Joel Tenenbaum joined tens of thousands of defendants accused by the RIAA of violating their members' copyrights by sharing files using a P2P file sharing service. But unlike the vast majority of the defendants in these cases he chose to fight rather than settle. Even more remarkably he opted to represent himself in court against an entire team of high priced lawyers.
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24. January 2009 @ 12:47 |
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Should copyright protection be a license to ignore due process?
It is and wit will be until they change the focus of it from distribution to profit... you go after a guy that's making money off it illicitly you most likely will win.
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24. January 2009 @ 12:52 |
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Nice Article Afterdawn. Provides a great view into the legal tangle of this whole music situation. Can't wait to see how this one rolls out!
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windsong
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24. January 2009 @ 15:30 |
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Unreal how draconian the American system is getting. Im from the south but live in CA and lemme tell you..WORLDS of difference here in Canuckland. I can download whatever I want. No fear of getting sued to high heaven. Cant believe that my fellow americans down south are allowing the good ole U.S. of A to be turned into a POLICE STATE.
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Run4two
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24. January 2009 @ 15:57 |
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If you think it's that bad, it's not. It's worse! Guilty until proven innocent is the way things are going. The corrupt rich and mighty are the only ones who have rights. Just look at all the bail out crap!
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24. January 2009 @ 16:17 |
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Originally posted by Run4two:
If you think it's that bad, it's not. It's worse! Guilty until proven innocent is the way things are going. The corrupt rich and mighty are the only ones who have rights. Just look at all the bail out crap!
You're damn right!
Look at all of the high and mighty rich that have done more damage than any everyday uploader or downloader. Yet they are still sittin pretty with their golden parachutes. I believe there should be a national salary cap of around 1.5 mil. Just to knock these idiots down a few pegs.
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warriorp
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24. January 2009 @ 16:34 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Unreal how draconian the American system is getting. Im from the south but live in CA and lemme tell you..WORLDS of difference here in Canuckland. I can download whatever I want. No fear of getting sued to high heaven. Cant believe that my fellow americans down south are allowing the good ole U.S. of A to be turned into a POLICE STATE.
yep thats why im moving to california too. down south they are purposely staying behind times. with the exception of texas and northern georgia. louisiana.....tsk tsk. that state is poorly behind. bigots and edited for content everywhere and plus people are not business minded either. as long as i remain under the radar they cant touch me. people hold their head high at the local walmarts like they are really doing something. i tell them you are not at a corporate business in a high rise skyscraper. country edited for content walmart. lol.
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Originally posted by windsong:
Unreal how draconian the American system is getting. Im from the south but live in CA and lemme tell you..WORLDS of difference here in Canuckland. I can download whatever I want. No fear of getting sued to high heaven. Cant believe that my fellow americans down south are allowing the good ole U.S. of A to be turned into a POLICE STATE.
yep thats why im moving to california too. down south they are purposely staying behind times. with the exception of texas and northern georgia. louisiana.....tsk tsk. that state is poorly behind. bigots and assholes everywhere and plus people are not business minded either. as long as i remain under the radar they cant touch me. people hold their head high at the local walmarts like they are really doing something. i tell them you are not at a corporate business in a high rise skyscraper. country ass walmart. lol.
he is in CANADA not California... note the term CANUCKLAND
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25. January 2009 @ 11:47 |
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to warriorp. I now live in the south. that would be the one YOU say is full of bigots and assholes. well, I spent 25 years in the service living all over the country. I chose to retire here BECAUSE the people here are more tolerant and LESS bigoted than anywhere else. You need to get away from sterotypes and movie potrayals. You say you are moving to California!!! You want to see bigots and edited for content? just wait til you get THERE. In LA they treat EVERYBODY like crap. of course there are bigots everywhere. of EVERY color and race. the people down south are real. they dont pretend to be better than everybody, just the same. having lived in new hampshire for two years I can tell you many people in the northeast think of southerners as rednecks and white trash. Based only on what they see on TV and movies. I saw people there who were VERY poor who were no different from poor people in the south. The only difference was there ACCENT. Now THAT is bigotry. you need to STOP being so BIGOTED and stop being such an edited for content.
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25. January 2009 @ 11:51 |
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LOL, trainmstr, your right.
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25. January 2009 @ 13:42 |
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Interesting how we have managed to move the debate from the question of real damages caused to a record company (or its representative organisation)as opposed to the actual damage suffered which in most courts would be subject to strict proof, to which US state has the most bigots. Can we focus on the issue here?
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25. January 2009 @ 14:21 |
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Why don't the RIAA campaign to stop all production of and have all recording devices and recordable media destroyed "just to be on the safe side" if they're so bloody keen to stamp out so-called "piracy".
What a crock of edited for content.
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25. January 2009 @ 14:50 |
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whoops my mistake. was reading too fast. but anyways we have more things to worry about. why is obama printing and putting out money we dont have? im telling you....after this last stimulus package....that would be the nail in the coffin for the u.s. and all of the world are laughing because most of our people dont see what he is doing. need to be trying to pay china back too. rumors have it...if obama succeeds with the north american union shit the constitution will be no more and martial law is called to confiscate all the guns from our people. i believe we will have another civil war very soon. all we can do is spread the news before it is too late to open up peoples eyes. i cant believe how blind most the american people can be. other countries are just fucking laughing.
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25. January 2009 @ 15:20 |
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Wooah there boyo.... The rest of the world is NOT laughing at Obama, We are on our knees thanking every god we can think of that the American people have at last managed to elect themselves a real president not another numpty muppet. After two Bush's and an actor (we'll ignore clever dick clinton) it makes a nice change to see some genuine humanity in power. Obama has the potential to make America great again. to put it back on the world stage as a BIG player not just a nation of retarded numpties. You should be thankful he is now in power. He has the capacity to make all Americans lives better if you would only sit back and listen to what he says and look at what he stands for. Truth...Justice....and the American Way.
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25. January 2009 @ 15:30 |
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Let's try to avoid turning this into a discussion of unrelated political issues.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:10 |
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vurbal, politics does have some relivents here since Obama may herald a new police state. He has appointed a RIAA lawyer to his justice staff. RIAA as realized the litigation is worthless and costly. The real way to slow down P2P is to change the laws. Make P2P a federal crime and have the FBI hacking computers and raiding house holds.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:15 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
vurbal, politics does have some relivents here since Obama may herald a new police state. He has appointed a RIAA lawyer to his justice staff. RIAA as realized the litigation is worthless and costly. The real way to slow down P2P is to change the laws. Make P2P a federal crime and have the FBI hacking computers and raiding house holds.
I have no problem with the discussion of relevant political topics. Whether the rest of the world is laughing at the US for electing Barack Obama and bailing out banks doesn't happen to be one of them.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:16 |
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I am a Canadian, and yes our copy write laws are different. Basically we can copy any movies and music files as long as we do not sell them.
Royalties are paid to artists from sales of their copy written property, and if we don't sell our copies there is no profit. The last time I checked Sony sells a dvd recorder and dvd recordable discs. Remember Sony's legal challenge over VCR recordings of movies. They lost! Why don't they start suing studios for failure to pay artist of the past, with well deserved royalties. Perhaps they should create a web site so we could make donations to these artists or their estates.Studios losing money,I doubt it.Profits of billions of dollars from movie and record sales,stars making 100's of millions salary, blu-ray movies vastly over priced. I make copies of movies I already own and download copies to see if I like them, when they become aviliable I buy them. I can't see the harm.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:22 |
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P2P should not be a crime in any sense since it is not actually infringing on any copyright laws. I can use the software on my computer to record digitally anything that I can hear and convert it to any format I like. then share it with whomever I like. p2p is no different.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:30 |
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Originally posted by s1vrbllt6:
P2P should not be a crime in any sense since it is not actually infringing on any copyright laws. I can use the software on my computer to record digitally anything that I can hear and convert it to any format I like. then share it with whomever I like. p2p is no different.
You can convert it all you want but distributing it to others is a no no. :P
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25. January 2009 @ 16:30 |
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Just a couple of points from me-- This story is about a hero who fought for all of our rights--without a gun just passion, and a love for justice. Now will the Universities stop expelling their students for file sharing and realize they have no right to exact punishment for the recording industry. They have ruined thousands of lives of students while doing the dirty work for this industry. The fight continues until all are free!
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25. January 2009 @ 16:31 |
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Originally posted by ericb:
Wooah there boyo.... The rest of the world is NOT laughing at Obama, We are on our knees thanking every god we can think of that the American people have at last managed to elect themselves a real president not another numpty muppet. After two Bush's and an actor (we'll ignore clever dick clinton) it makes a nice change to see some genuine humanity in power. Obama has the potential to make America great again. to put it back on the world stage as a BIG player not just a nation of retarded numpties. You should be thankful he is now in power. He has the capacity to make all Americans lives better if you would only sit back and listen to what he says and look at what he stands for. Truth...Justice....and the American Way.
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idk but time will tell. we will know before 2012. if i dont see any progress by the late summer time....you already know where we are headed. so are you saying you dont believe in the north american union or do you want it to happen?
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25. January 2009 @ 16:42 |
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The point is that the RIAA has for years now been using litigation as a profit center in an to attempt to make up for perceived lost profits in the the sale of physical media. It is the foundational principle upon which their cases are built that is fundamentally unethical, and so should be thrown out of court. It is now well-documented that those whose interests they are supposed to be serving, i.e., the "artists" or "content creators", are not seeing any of the proceeds from these cases or settlements.
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25. January 2009 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Unreal how draconian the American system is getting. Im from the south but live in CA and lemme tell you..WORLDS of difference here in Canuckland. I can download whatever I want. No fear of getting sued to high heaven. Cant believe that my fellow americans down south are allowing the good ole U.S. of A to be turned into a POLICE STATE.
but what you cant do in canada is download most video content like on xbox, roku, or netflix as soon as the ip address shows up as being from canuckland you are done and the reason for this is the lack of enforcment in copy protection.also have you see the tax on blank media? you pay more in tax then i pay for just the blank media.i love canada but the usa is no police state in comparrison we both have limits on our fredom just in different areas. eh
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25. January 2009 @ 18:42 |
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Well down here in Australia the Record industry idiots want the goverment to bring in one of two laws.
(1) All ISP's to charge $10 a month to all users to cover illegal downloads.."Not fair on the people who dont download"
(2) All ISP's to block music or movie downloads unless from a paid site.."Even more stupid..censorship at its best"
It wont happen the ISP's know what side their breads buttered on.
What really gets me is you have a movie company that makes a big movie. On the first week of release it makes 4 times the production cost. Then after a few months it goes to DVD for which we pay $24/$30 here in Australia. Now apart from being a year old by the time it hits the shelf here, why would I pay $30 just to watch a picture one time? If I go to hire it, it still costs $7.00 for a new release where I live. Music CD's sell for $25.00 here as well.
Yet I can download a movie from the net "For my own viewing pleasure" before it even gets to the cinema here in Aus for only the cost of my internet conection.
Do I feel sorry for the actors who are not getting my money? NO!
Do I feel sorry for all the middle men who are not getting my money?..NO!
Why? Because they are overpriced..Sell DVD's for $10.00 and Music CD's for $5.00 and I may start buying them again.
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25. January 2009 @ 18:53 |
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Originally posted in another anti-RIAA thread...
"This is all empty discussion - you all know for a fact that they are never going to stop until all freedoms have been stripped from us, leaving us to choose between only those options they allow us.
You cannot advise using the law to get out of this - the law can and has been changed on many occasions to suit the needs of big business. This is no different. Those in charge wish to remain in charge, and will scratch each other's backs endlessly to make sure this occurs.
It is not that they will not listen to the voice and decisions of the common people - it is that they hold that voice of such people in complete disregard. They want only to control you, your minds, your actions, and harness you to the wheel of their industry.
They stupify you with "their" culture - Pop Idol, Gladiators, celebrity marriages and breakups, compelling you to work in their sweatshops in order to earn their valueless currency.
Even your home, the roof over your head, the most basic necessity of human survival, must be bought at such a high cost that we cannot afford it without taking out an immense loan, repayable over 25 years, keeping us in bonded slavery as long as it exists.
The economy is a lie - just whom exactly do we and our American and European brethren owe our national debt too? Why, the very same super-rich elite who, it is claimed, have engineered this whole situation. These, my friends, are our enemies.
Direct not the brunt of your anger at our politicians or police, for they too are mere pawns. Some indeed have no clue whatsoever how this state of affairs came into being, and are merely pig-headed fools. Others are weak men who have allowed themselves to be bought with promises of wealth or power to come, and should be pitied as much as they are despised.
No, my friends, these are not our true enemies. They are merely the least amongst us.
The rich. Or, more accurately, the super-rich. In all manner of criminal investigations, one looks to see who benefits from the crime in order to find the purpetrator. Where, my friends, does the money go? From whose stained and scaly chin are we stealing the breadcrumbs of Piracy?
For it is mere breadcrumbs we remove from the plate of the great purveyors of music - indeed there is evidence to suggest that piracy has in fact increased record sales in recent years, due to the explosive proliferation of musical availability Piracy has engendered. These breadcrumbs, therefore, cannot be said to be the reason for the immense legal upheaval we are currently experiencing.
No, my friends, the issue is control. We have dared to buck our oppressor, to show him we have a will of our own, and now he would crush that will. To remain silent is to submit yourself to his dominance; to attempt to use his own system against him will only result in that system being ammended to his satisfaction. We have only one recourse...
REVOLUTION!
I was recently reminded that Anarchy does not mean chaos, it means "no leaders". I, my friends, am an Anarchist, and I invite you to join my cause in any way you see fit.
I thank you for reading...
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