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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 07:59 |
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Not another rumour thread, just want some answers to some simple questions. These cards are now arriving in the post, as well as being advertised on the info channel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrU4HloLps
Given this is just a card replacement, and the existing STB's are being kept, is this a switch from Nagra 1 to Nagra 2, or to Nagra 3? I presume someone knows whether the existing STB's can support Nagra 3? If it is just an update to Nagra 2, can existing Starview/Whatever boxes be flashed to a new firmware to continue doing their job? Obv if its Nagra 3 it's gameover....for now.
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Inq
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suse103
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11. February 2009 @ 10:50 |
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this is just another thread ..answered numerous times.please try the search tool on the site and you will find your answer.
kind regards
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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 10:58 |
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The forum search tool is crap, and using it I can find plenty of variations on this theme, but not one simple answer to any of the 3 questions posted in the OP.
Thanks for your enlightening response.......
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suse103
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11. February 2009 @ 11:09 |
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your very welcome , but try not to worry to much if you just wait time will give you the answer because the truth is you will not know till it happens and when it does i suggest be patient and your answer will come to you and maybe by then we'll have an update for the search tool also for you.
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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 11:13 |
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Its a simple 3 questions, time is not required.
1) Can existing STBs be upgraded to Nagra 3?
2) Does anyone know if the coming card change is to implement Nagra 2 or Nagra 3?
3) Can existing boxes be adapted to decode Nagra 2?
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suse103
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11. February 2009 @ 11:27 |
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11. February 2009 @ 11:32 |
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Originally posted by Inquitus:
Its a simple 3 questions, time is not required.
1) Can existing STBs be upgraded to Nagra 3?
2) Does anyone know if the coming card change is to implement Nagra 2 or Nagra 3?
3) Can existing boxes be adapted to decode Nagra 2?
If as previously suggested by suse103 you take the time to read through previous posts then you might see the answer that you need!!
as for calling the search engine on this site crap, its funny how anyone else who has used it has almost always found the solution from previously posted queries, but if you cant be bothered then tough!! you will have to put up with the answer you got!!
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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 11:41 |
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I spent 30 minutes googling and using the search function on this site, both the google and the legacy system. It comes up with a miriad of spam and no answers to these really very straightforward and simple questions. I'll ask again, and clarify somewhat....
1) Can existing official U*C STBs be upgraded to Nagra 3 by UPC or is Nagra 2 the extent of the available options for U*C? (
2) Does anyone know if the coming card change is to implement Nagra 2 or Nagra 3?
3) Can existing FTA Starview etc. boxes be adapted via firmware upgrades to decode Nagra 2 or will they be doorstops?
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suse103
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11. February 2009 @ 11:59 |
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Please Please Please close this...for everybody's sanity..my god how time passes and still the same situation.I do believe you have not listened to a word.So for the final time before i ask to have this closed, the answers you seek are in the forum already and those that cant be answered will be in time...so please accept the truth and move on.
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11. February 2009 @ 12:02 |
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this type of thread is posted at least once a week, and the bottom line is...we will have to wait and see.. that's all we know!!I have no intention in getting involved in another one!!
have a look here at a heated previous thread on this very subject:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/743227
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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 12:31 |
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Those threads, and my oh my there are thousands on the web, are all hearsay and conjecture.
Someone must have the technical knowledge to be aware of how far U*C can go with just a card change, rather than a complete STB change. I don't expect all the answers, but someone somewhere does know if they can implement Nagra 2 or indeed Nagra 3 given the STB box infrastructure currently in place.
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11. February 2009 @ 12:33 |
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Originally posted by Inquitus:
Those threads, and my oh my there are thousands on the web, are all hearsay and conjecture.
Someone must have the technical knowledge to be aware of how far U*C can go with just a card change, rather than a complete STB change. I don't expect all the answers, but someone somewhere does know if they can implement Nagra 2 or indeed Nagra 3 given the STB box infrastructure currently in place.
Inq
suppose your right....why dont you just phone the CC and ask them, that way you will know for sure!!!
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Inquitus
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11. February 2009 @ 12:36 |
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Originally posted by DesB:
Originally posted by Inquitus:
Those threads, and my oh my there are thousands on the web, are all hearsay and conjecture.
Someone must have the technical knowledge to be aware of how far U*C can go with just a card change, rather than a complete STB change. I don't expect all the answers, but someone somewhere does know if they can implement Nagra 2 or indeed Nagra 3 given the STB box infrastructure currently in place.
Inq
suppose your right....why dont you just phone the CC and ask them, that way you will know for sure!!!
No matter how facetious you and Suse try to be, your customer care skills are out of the top draw in comparison to a UPC CC, I'll take my chances here thanks :)
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Addamski
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11. February 2009 @ 17:35 |
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good comeback
at the end of the day - the pirates always have and always will be one step ahead so i wouldn't get me knickers in a twist just yet :)
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suse103
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12. February 2009 @ 09:37 |
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always good to look on the humorous side of life don't you agree, thanks you started my day with a smile , customer care that's a good one,sounds like you just might be a mystery shopper :-) pity you didn't do your research first...oh and i do believe will find your answer just read what was said ...you will not know until the object of your fear has its moment and then methodically you can examine what it is your dealing with..until then your just speculating and thats the truth.
Im signing off this and imagine this will be closed.
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unit14
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18. March 2009 @ 12:58 |
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unit14
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18. March 2009 @ 13:01 |
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sorry forgot to put this has got to be the best link seen in ages, very good
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bulld
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15. June 2009 @ 19:47 |
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Hey sus103 when you click you link to google.. The second result is back to this page... So what do ya think will existing stb work on nagra 3 ????????????????????????????????
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AfterDawn Addict
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16. June 2009 @ 06:43 |
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Originally posted by Inquitus:
Not another rumour thread, just want some answers to some simple questions. These cards are now arriving in the post, as well as being advertised on the info channel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrU4HloLps
Given this is just a card replacement, and the existing STB's are being kept, is this a switch from Nagra 1 to Nagra 2, or to Nagra 3? I presume someone knows whether the existing STB's can support Nagra 3? If it is just an update to Nagra 2, can existing Starview/Whatever boxes be flashed to a new firmware to continue doing their job? Obv if its Nagra 3 it's gameover....for now.
Thanks,
Look at the date of that video, its from December 2008,so that was the issue of the N2/N3 cards period, so they are not new cards by the looks of it, and if you look on your box you will see, that guy is on there as well.
Inq
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daryll
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16. June 2009 @ 09:09 |
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I got n*l broadband installed this afternoon and while they were at it my UPC box (and digi card) were also replaced, I only had the original box since Jan was well
Any idea what they are doing here?
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fathertim
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16. June 2009 @ 13:57 |
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We Pay for the full sky package (sports and movies) with UPSee and have a DVR box from them too.
Obviously our current card and box can do nagra 2 as everything is working perfectly at the moment.
However, today we received a new card in the post with instructions on how to set it up. (Leave it in overnight then call 1908 in the morning)
A logical conclusion one can make is this new card is for nagra 3. Why else would they give a new narga 2 card if we can already watch nagra 2 on our old card?
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poolfan81
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16. June 2009 @ 14:37 |
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had the original card got ntl or upc on it?
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CharlesBr
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16. June 2009 @ 15:40 |
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Originally posted by Inquitus:
1) Can existing official U*C STBs be upgraded to Nagra 3 by UPC or is Nagra 2 the extent of the available options for U*C? (
2) Does anyone know if the coming card change is to implement Nagra 2 or Nagra 3?
3) Can existing FTA Starview etc. boxes be adapted via firmware upgrades to decode Nagra 2 or will they be doorstops?
Its sad when you ask a simple question and cant get a simple answer. The truth is not many people know whats going on, and the ones who do are keeping quiet. @ suse103, Maybe the answers were already posted in several threads. The original poster Inquitus, has already stated he tried searching and could not find them. You have obviously read them, so give the answers or link to the thread where the answers are given. If you cant help, why get uppity, ignore this thread and dont post, you are only giving it free bumps.
To all the cranky bast@rds who are sick of reading these reposts, stop responding to them and the threads will die. The spirit of forums is to help if you can, if you cant, keep stum. So it is in this spirit I will try to answer these questions.
I have being using satellite cams and cards ETC since the early 90`s so the following answers are based on experience and personal opinion, not fact. I am not looking for flame wars or trolls.
1) Some boxes can be updated over the air. Some boxes will need to be/were replaced. All the boxes that will be in use when the changeover completes will be Nagra 3 compatible.
2)Nagra 2 is open, to implement Nagra 2 would be futile. Best guess is it is Nagra 3. A natural progression.
3) The firmware upgrades for the boxes are basically software cams with the keys built in. I can see no reason why the majority of boxes cannot be upgraded for for Nagra 3 once the algorithms and keys are known. This will take a while.
Ok, you did not asked this question but I will throw it in for free...
4) How secure is Nagra 3. Very secure. There are several big European satellite networks and an American one that were hit bad when Nagra 2 went. They have moved to Nagra 3, it cost them millions in the rollout. The Kudelski Group were embarrassed by the way there previous CASystems fell and have pretty much everything riding on Nagra 3. If this goes anytime this year I believe the Kudelski Group will follow. I hope I am wrong but I dont see this system being hacked before 2011. If it is hacked it will be by the way of a secure card or cam. The method will be kept secret to increase the profit of this new wonder card/cam. The only boxes that will see the benefit will be boxes that can take a card or a cam depending on what is released.
Hopefully this goes someway to answering the original post.
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16. June 2009 @ 18:36 |
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Look at the date of that video, its from December 2008,so that was the issue of the N1/N2 cards period, so they are not new cards by the looks of it, and if you look on your tv you will see that guy, is on there as well. Look how long it took them to get the last change over done, it will equally take them that amount of time to implement N3 fully as well, i think, people are running around like headless chickens on this forum, and need to calm down and enjoy what we have, and worry about it when it happens, and not before.
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spectra7
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16. June 2009 @ 18:42 |
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Cheers fergus, pm sent :)
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