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Some clarifications about "software-modding" the (USA-NTSC) Wii?
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14. February 2009 @ 11:48 |
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I got an NTSC Wii that was bought in the USA and I want to "moddify" it, but I couldn't find a simple tutorial that explains everything carefully.
I've seen someone posting this thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/735325
But I still don't understand things in it and some of the terms that are used aren't clear.
First, if my Wii is the NTSC version (I live in a PAL zone), it means that I can only use a PAL version of Zelda to hack it?
And if it's a USA-NTSC, is there a specific disc that I need?
And what the hell is HBC+WiiGator Gamma BootLoader?
And what is this "OCT 23rd 3.3 firmware"? How can I check my Wii's firmware?
And "cIOS"?
And when I need to use a save file - does the Wii saves it into its own internal storage or that it needs to use a Memory Card?
And this "walk backwards" - I don't know this game so I don't know how it works, but do you need to literally walk backwards with the remote or that it means to move the character backwards with the controls or something?
Thanks in advance.
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14. February 2009 @ 11:52 |
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*I meant if I can only use an NTSC version of Zelda
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14. February 2009 @ 11:55 |
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Some of your question below tend to make me believe you shouldn't be doing any of this yourself. Find someone to help or read and learn a little more about the Wii mod scene.
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14. February 2009 @ 12:14 |
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I will answer your question but make sure you go through the steps as is...
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First, if my Wii is the NTSC version (I live in a PAL zone), it means that I can only use a PAL version of Zelda to hack it?
And if it's a USA-NTSC, is there a specific disc that I need?
It shouldn't matter what Zelda hack you use. As long as you have the region disc & game save region matched.
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Pal Zelda Game use PAL game save hack.
NTSC(USA) Zelda Game use NTSC(USA) game save hack.
NTSC(japan) Zelda Game use NTSC(Japan) game save hack.
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And what the hell is HBC+WiiGator Gamma BootLoader?
HBC = Homebrew Channel which is installed to the Wii Menu so you can use that to run homebrew applications instead of using the Zelda Hack.
WiiGator = A boot loader that will run backup games (no modchip needed).
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And what is this "OCT 23rd 3.3 firmware"? How can I check my Wii's firmware?
Check your firmware by going to the WII at the bottom left hand corner of the Wii menu. Then go to settings and it will be listed in the top right hand corner.
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And "cIOS"?
This is a custom IOS (part of the firmware) that lets you play the backup games via WiiGator.
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And when I need to use a save file - does the Wii saves it into its own internal storage or that it needs to use a Memory Card?
The Wii saves it to the Internal Memory. You can get to that by going to WII bottom left hand corner then storage.
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And this "walk backwards" - I don't know this game so I don't know how it works, but do you need to literally walk backwards with the remote or that it means to move the character backwards with the controls or something?
It means to walk LINK (in the game) backwards.
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14. February 2009 @ 13:43 |
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I made a correction in my second post - I meant that if my Wii is NTSC, I have to use the NTSC disc?
Because as far as I can understand, unless your Wii is modded with a chip - it cannot play discs that doesn't match its own region.
And I don't know if it's this way, but are there any "sub-regions"?
I mean, even if I'll use an NTSC disc, if it's not from the USA - it won't play or that it's simply NTSC/PAL?
And about your answers: I don't get this "HBC" thing.
You said "instead of using the Zelda hack".
But isn't the only option of "software-modding" (none-chip) is using this "Zelda hack"? Or that there's something else? (or that I simply didn't understand what this HBC is).
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14. February 2009 @ 14:17 |
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If you do not have a modchip installed then you will need a retail version of Twilight Princess.
So if you buy the retail version in the USA use the USA Twilight Princess game save hack (you could also rent it if you have a video store near by).
You will need to use the Twilight Hack to run the Homebrew Channel installer. After you have the Homebrew Channel installed you no longer will need to use the Twilight Princess hack. You will load the homebrew applications through the Homebrew Channel.
This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Just follow the guide you have linked above.
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14. February 2009 @ 14:45 |
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... But you again said it unclearly.
I've asked that - if my WII is in NTSC, it also means that the retail game has to be NTSC, I guess, because there's this "region lock"?
And there's someone that can bring me those items from the USA so it would be cheaper, and I found the LAN adapter and Component Cabels I wanted in GameStop's site and they seem in a good price.
But Zelda seems too pricey. It says that it's "used" (and there isn't any other result), yet the price was about 50$.
This price doesn't seem right. In comparison to the prices in where I live, it should possibly cost 50$ if it was brand-new, so used (and I don't really need it in a perfect shape so used should be fine) would logically cost less.
Are other US retailer sites I can check in? Because I don't really know other ones.
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14. February 2009 @ 14:58 |
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*And something about the firmware version:
I just checked it in my Wii and it said "3.3u".
What does it mean? I need to make this update-fix to be able to hack it?
And after you "hack" the Wii - can you update (using the Wii's region, of course) using the official firmwares or that it would ruin that modification or something?
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14. February 2009 @ 15:03 |
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Oh, and another small suggestion:
If all you need is the save file, why can't you just use an uploaded save file or something like that?
Can't I just get a save file into the Wii's storage instead of having to buy the whole game just to press "save"?
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14. February 2009 @ 15:34 |
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No, you can't. If it were that simple don't you think we'd all be doing it that way instead of getting the game?
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14. February 2009 @ 15:45 |
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They explain it simply from the point of view of people that already made the hack. It's simply unclear and written very awkwardly.
And in the first article they link to another one if you have 3.3/3.4 (I have "3.3u" so I'm not sure what it means), and there they first saying something about deleting the save (who said I have one?) and then pasting some files of them and running the game (and I've seen that in the video it keeps saying "Press ACCEPT" , but I don't see any remote button that's called like that. The closest thing I can see is "A".
And then in the third part, after you've supposedly made this save hack thing, they start speaking about downgrading.
What downgrading? Why do I need to downgrade if I've already made the hacking?
You can't update it to new firmwares if you've hacked it?
Can this downgrade "brick" your Wii?
Everything in there is unclear.
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14. February 2009 @ 15:50 |
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*Correction:
The third one is "Wii Fix Guide", but again - they keep talking about "WADs"... WADs? What's a "WAD"?
And they actually tell you to update to the last firmware.
Why is that? And how can they know what's the last firmware at the time where someone's making the hack?
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14. February 2009 @ 16:14 |
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The tutorial describe the "what to do". For the most part, that's all people want.
The "whys" have been covered in detail in serveral threads and articles throughout this site and the web and for the most part, inclusion into a "what to do" tutorial only confuses people.
If you want the "whys", they are covered elsewhere.
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14. February 2009 @ 16:20 |
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Again, I'm having a hard time understanding your English.
What "whys"? What are "the whys"?
And what tutorial should I use?
The author said in the first part that "If you have the OCT 23rd 3.3 firmware or 3.4 firmware update the instillation of WAD/cIOS files will be blocked. You can go HERE and follow the first 3 steps".
But then when he starts the tutorial, he speaks about the two file folders options - "The 3.3 folder is for users with 3.3 or below firmware. The 3.4 folder is for users that have 3.4 firmware."
?... And I though that he just said that those two firmwares need a special tutorial.
And if it's just this "OCT 23rd"... What is this and how can I know if that's what my Wii got?
My Wii says 3.3u.
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14. February 2009 @ 16:22 |
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Yes the retail game has to be NTSC(U) if you have a NTSC(U) system and have no modchip.
If your Wii is 3.3 then you could either have the first version of 3.3 that doesn't block cIOS/WAD file installs or you could have the 3.3 update after OCT 23rd that blocks the installation of cIOS/WAD files. So all you can do is try installing the cIOS. If you get an error then you probably have the 3.3 OCT 23rd update and will need to follow the fix guide.
As for the Twilight Princess hack. If you try to transfer the TP exploit Game Save to the system before playing the game it will say it can not transfer it because you haven't played the game yet.
This is why you need to play TP for a few and save it as you normally would a game. Then you will be able to delete that game save and transfer over the TP game save hack.
You need the Twilight Princess game to load the game save hacked file and exploit the system so you can run code on it.
If you read the guide I posted it says you DO NOT HAVE TO DOWNGRADE!
A WAD file is a file you run that will install some sort of channel or update to the Wii system.
The reason why there is a 3.3 and 3.4 folder is because the TP hack is diffrent for 3.4 firmware. So the 3.3 folder is for users that have 3.3 or below firmware and 3.4 folder is for those that have 3.4 firmware.
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14. February 2009 @ 16:37 |
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I didn't even see the guid was your post, but anyway -
You just linked into that article and it said in the third part (basically after you've already installed the hack, which makes no sense because it means that you need to use this "hombrew channel" which sounds like something which's only available after you've hacked the Wii).
But you just called it "OCT 23rd", but I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to have a different name as it's not just "3.3".
Mine, for example, says 3.3u.
What does it mean? Can't I know from it what's my firmware date?
And are you allowed to make updates after a hacking?
It's just very unclear. It seems understandable to you because you look at it as a one who did it, but when someone who doesn't know all of those terms suddenly sees a tutorial that keeps using unexplained words, he can't understand a thing from it.
Even saying the word link - I never played that game. I know that it's the main character because I've read it somewhere, but simply using the word "link" without explaining can sound like nothing to many people that don't know what the article is talking about.
And a small question in a different manner - What are the big game retailers in the USA, other than "GameStop"? Because, as I said, I've searched in their website and it only gave me a "used" Zelda result which seemed too overpriced for a used game - 50$.
I would think that a new disc would cost this much, and a used one at least 30% cheaper.
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14. February 2009 @ 16:38 |
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@AWDS
"Why is that? And how can they know what's the last firmware at the time where someone's making the hack? "
That is an example of a "why".
A "why" is the reason for doing something, which is what you asked about.
A "what to do" is simply the instruction to follow.
Understand now?
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14. February 2009 @ 16:40 |
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I know the word "why", but your paragraph still makes no sense.
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14. February 2009 @ 16:50 |
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Well maybe before you go any further you need to read other threads in this forum and other forums and learn what the terms mean. Do you think I was born with this knowledge? I had to read and learn terms as well just like the next person had to. So you are no different. If you don't help yourself no one can help you.
As for the OCT 23rd update you can not tell by looking at the firmware. It will say 3.3U no matter if it was the first 3.3U version or the 3.3U version after OCT 23rd.
All you can do is follow the guide using the 3.3 folder and try installing the cIOS. If you get an error when installing the cIOS then you probably have the 3.3U update after OCT 23rd that blocks the cIOS/WAD files from being installed. If that is the case then you need to follow the fix guide that I linked to.
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14. February 2009 @ 17:17 |
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@ADWS
Until you actually start going through the process of installing the mod it will make no sense. While I normally agree with Larry, I wouldn't recommend reading everything you can about this...simply stick with his guide to avoid confusion. Once you begin applying the softmod things will become more clear. Also when you have the last post in the thread use the edit feature as per forum rules.
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14. February 2009 @ 17:26 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
@ADWS
Until you actually start going through the process of installing the mod it will make no sense. While I normally agree with Larry, I wouldn't recommend reading everything you can about this...simply stick with his guide to avoid confusion. Once you begin applying the softmod things will become more clear. Also when you have the last post in the thread use the edit feature as per forum rules.
I told him to do that in the first place but that wasn't good enough.
He wants every little detail given to him and the how's and why's.
If that is what he wants then he needs to research the terms and learn from previous threads that are here at this forum and other forums.
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14. February 2009 @ 19:27 |
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Larry, I think you were actually right the first time.
If he's this helpless then he needs to find someone else do install the homebrew channel and wiigator for him.
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14. February 2009 @ 20:45 |
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But, again, the second guide that you've linked to simply finishes like nothing the 2 first parts that you told to do and then in the third part it tells you to update to the last firmware? (again, why? What if the current last firmware is totally fuc*ed up with the hacking thing?)
And then to use the hombrew channel??? How would I have the hombrew channel if I can't install it?
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14. February 2009 @ 20:48 |
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And I can't edit my posts, the only "edit" button I can see is to edit the headline.
*Oh... Now I can see. That button is too small, with no naming and doesn't look like "edit".
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14. February 2009 @ 21:11 |
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Your hopless dude.
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