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RIAA begins grade school propaganda campaign
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article published on 17 February, 2009
Last week the RIAA unveiled a new anti-piracy program aimed at children as young as third graders. The Music Rules! program offers free propaganda disguised as educational material for download in PDF format. The RIAA will also ship free printed copies of each publication to educators on request.
A Teacher's Guide promises curriculum "designed to reinforce skills across the curriculum ... [ read the full article ]
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varnull
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18. February 2009 @ 15:02 |
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hahaha.. nice, but by that view god also made gene simmons and prince (here boy.. fetch the slippers) .. god help us XD
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atomicxl
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19. February 2009 @ 00:14 |
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Anti-theft = Nazi Germany?
Only on Afterdawn...
Funny, I don't recall the record industry raising a stink in the 80s and 90s with dual cassette boom boxes/stereos that could record cds onto memorex cassettes. The only thing that has changed is the technology, and the fact that we are now "traceable" if we don't use Tor. But that will be changing in a few years (if that). With programs like Anomos (and many more being worked on atm), people will eventually be able to download anything without snooping RIAA lawyers or police wanting to entrap some 15 yr old kid in a sex chat room. Supply and demand, and all that.
Sorry but we do not wish to devolve into a police state just yet...try again in 100 years when you've beaten the encryption.
Not stealing = police state? We've been in a police state since about the same time as the Constitution was made.
You guys are crazy. Letting a friend borrow a CD is fair use. Making a copy for you to keep while giving him one is not. Downloading a copy for yourself and then giving it to dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions of people so that they don't have to pay for it isn't. That has never been a part of fair use. If an artist wants their music given away for free, cool beans. I don't have any issue with that.
When artists don't want their music given away and the attitude is, "F you, i'm gonna give your CD away to as many people as possible." its not cool beans.
I don't understand why you guys don't see that. I can understand not caring about it, but its always crazy that you guys actually think that it's legal.
Not only that, but stopping piracy is not Nazi Germany or a police state like you guys like to say it is.
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19. February 2009 @ 08:38 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
Anti-theft = Nazi Germany?
Only on Afterdawn...
Funny, I don't recall the record industry raising a stink in the 80s and 90s with dual cassette boom boxes/stereos that could record cds onto memorex cassettes. The only thing that has changed is the technology, and the fact that we are now "traceable" if we don't use Tor. But that will be changing in a few years (if that). With programs like Anomos (and many more being worked on atm), people will eventually be able to download anything without snooping RIAA lawyers or police wanting to entrap some 15 yr old kid in a sex chat room. Supply and demand, and all that.
Sorry but we do not wish to devolve into a police state just yet...try again in 100 years when you've beaten the encryption.
Not stealing = police state? We've been in a police state since about the same time as the Constitution was made.
You guys are crazy. Letting a friend borrow a CD is fair use. Making a copy for you to keep while giving him one is not. Downloading a copy for yourself and then giving it to dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions of people so that they don't have to pay for it isn't. That has never been a part of fair use. If an artist wants their music given away for free, cool beans. I don't have any issue with that.
When artists don't want their music given away and the attitude is, "F you, i'm gonna give your CD away to as many people as possible." its not cool beans.
I don't understand why you guys don't see that. I can understand not caring about it, but its always crazy that you guys actually think that it's legal.
Not only that, but stopping piracy is not Nazi Germany or a police state like you guys like to say it is.
You don't understand because you don't try to understand. Quote:
Not stealing = police state
You seem to only address the extreme comments with your own extreme comments - that downloading/copying is stealing. Don't tell me something is stealing if you can't provide solid proof of exact monetary loss. Can you completely deny that it's also very possible that this type of distribution has helped the music industry?No one hear thinks it's legal to copy and share music. I think I can safely say that everyone is more pissed that it's illegal and lashing out on the tactics being used to promote fabricated loses. Since you seem to support existing and pending IP laws, you also probably truly believe that every digital instance of a song is money gained or lost. That is the disagreement here. Not whether or not it's legal. Quote:
Downloading a copy for yourself and then giving it to dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions of people so that they don't have to pay for it isn't.
Once again, you are assuming that every download is lost revenue. That dozens, hundreds, thousands and even millions in sales is being lost. That is the disagreement. Not whether or not it's legal.
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When artists don't want their music given away and the attitude is, "F you, i'm gonna give your CD away to as many people as possible." its not cool beans.
Once again, who is really fighting for this? The artists or the executives that control them? If I hear that an artist is raising a stink about his/her music being downloaded, I don't dowload it. I also don't even bother buying it or listening to it. And there is a relatively small number who complain. And then you have to wonder why they are complaining. Who's pulling their strings. Because every artist knows the inner workings of the business.
No, stopping piracy is not Nazi Germany (another extreme misinterpretation by you of what is being said). The tactics used are similar to one of the tactics used in Nazi Germany. Indoctriniation through children. This type of "education" does not belong in that grade level. It belongs in a High School/College setting, where it can be open for debate and where it's not being forced onto impressionable minds. What I don't understand (and you're entitled to your views) is how you can not be bothered in the least by the proposed math portion of this propaganda. Or at least look further into it.
Honestly, your comments are just like those you respond to. One extreme answering another extreme, with no intent on getting involved in a debate over important issues. You firmly believe that copying and sharing is outright stealing. That's fine. I have no gripe with that statement except that I respectfully disagree. And I've already explained why. But what I don't understand is that you "don't understand" any other point of view. It's one thing to say that you don't agree. But not understanding is puzzling.
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19. February 2009 @ 14:42 |
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The Theft of service, DVD rental comment I made above is true and real. It IS theft of service to not return a DVD...
I know because I've been tried and convicted of it.
There are lots of laws I don't agree with, but that doesn't change the law.
The whole problem with this whole debate is the fact that the old style of charging for IP is just outdated. You can't track individual digital copies, therefore you cannot charge for them.
It seems to me that it's up to the IP holders to find a way to deal with it. Throwing everyone in jail or propogandizing our children is not a very good way of dealing with it.
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ElTwo
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19. February 2009 @ 19:29 |
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The system is certainly far from perfect, and it is a bad business model. But . . . the laws suffer from the influence of middlemen who see their bag of cash disappearing.
As several bands have shown, you can release mp3s for free and drive your sales, but that means record company executives are irrelevant. They would disappear if they hadn't been pouring so much money into the RIAA and other propaganda to justify their existence.
The system is flawed, but it is currently the law. Hopefully the free market will force a change in the system.
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22. February 2009 @ 12:27 |
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spam edited by ddp
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22. February 2009 @ 21:05 |
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danielsco, lightning struck!!! posts edited.
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14. March 2009 @ 00:27 |
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ROFLMAO!!!1!
That made my day.
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In the math portion, kids are instructed to interview their family and friends to add up the number of times they've either songlifted themselves, or assisted in others' songlifting activities by allowing them to copy music.
The teachers part of the language arts and citizenship section is to send the data to the RIAA so they can sue the little kiddies.
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Citizenship apparently refers to learning the list of people supposedly deprived of their liveliehoods by songlifting. They include agents and music publishers.
Yes, think of the poor agents and publishers who can't get that new beach house on their own private island. And look at their kids.. *wipes a tear from eye*
They can't get that mini bmw they always wanted.. *sobs*
How could you download that song?!?
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