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Girl arrested for texting during school
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article published on 18 February, 2009
A 14-year-old girl from Wisconsin has been arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. Her crime? Repeatedly text-messaging during class time at school.
The police report also notes that the girl continually denied that she even had a phone on her person when asked to stop texting in class.
The school then called the police authorities and the officer who responded questioned the ... [ read the full article ]
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4. March 2009 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by DTN107:
"Spare the rod, spoil the child"
It seems many of you guys are not aware how American's public school are going down the drain each new generation. I can bet if anyone here knew the girl personally would agree she needs a good smacking up the head.
I agree 100% when I was in Catholic School many moons ago we had our mouths wahed out with soap for backtalking or lying to a teacher.One boy was forced to take a bite out of a cactus for multiple offences. It taught him a lesson though and he changed his ways. We were forced to kneel on Rice and strip searched if any kid was thought to be concealing contraband.I remember one boy in particular who made the mistake of hitting a teacher. When the priests were finished with him he was so black and blue he coulden't sit down for a week! It taught him the lesson he needed and believe it or not he turned out to be a fine young man albiet a strict disiplinarian. I say bring back corporal punishment and most if not all problems with school children will ceae nd desist.
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4. March 2009 @ 17:45 |
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Originally posted by DTN107:
"Spare the rod, spoil the child"
It seems many of you guys are not aware how American's public school are going down the drain each new generation. I can bet if anyone here knew the girl personally would agree she needs a good smacking up the head.
I agree 100% when I was in Catholic School many moons ago we had our mouths wahed out with soap for backtalking or lying to a teacher.One boy was forced to take a bite out of a cactus for multiple offences. It taught him a lesson though and he changed his ways. We were forced to kneel on Rice and strip searched if any kid was thought to be concealing contraband.I remember one boy in particular who made the mistake of hitting a teacher. When the priests were finished with him he was so black and blue he coulden't sit down for a week! It taught him the lesson he needed and believe it or not he turned out to be a fine young man albiet a strict disiplinarian. I say bring back corporal punishment and most if not all problems with school children will ceae nd desist.
or they bring a gun to school and start killing people.
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cart0181
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24. April 2009 @ 00:16 |
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To those who think calling the police was an over-reaction:
I'm sure this girl had a long history of problematic behavior, and the teachers didn't know what else to do, BUT call the police. Obviously, if the girl continuously lies about even having a cell phone when everyone in class knew she had it, she has a serious attitude problem. I doubt she would calmly walk to the principle's office if asked to leave the classroom. This is clearly a student with mental and behavioral instability.
It is very likely that the problems started at home. If the parent is paying the cell phone bill, as in most cases, then if their daughter is having difficulty managing the responsibility of owning the phone, a prudent parent would suspend that privilege.
DXR88 proves my point perfectly when he/she said the next step such neglected children take is to begin acting out violently, even to the extreme of bringing a gun to school and committing murder.
This was absolutely nothing to do with texting, it was everything to do with obedience. Children are to be obedient and respectful to their elders, or dire consequences occur. This is a lesson schools have difficulty teaching, because it is mostly out of their jurisdiction. It is a lesson which must begin at home. The consequences of which I speak are not limited to some kind of artificial reprimand upon the child. No no, they are much longer-term than that, as some comments have already alluded to.
To make myself clear, I don't think corporal punishment is the answer, at least it is certainly not a silver-bullet. This is a problem with the American family. And the problem with the American family derives from societal and moral decay, which is beyond the scope of this discussion.
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24. April 2009 @ 00:58 |
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..."Clearly a student with mental instability"? Because she texts in class? Excuse me? Because she - like just about every high-school student that has ever existed - has an "attitude problem"?
"I'm sure this girl had a long history of problematic behavior" my pasty pale heinie! No, you are not sure - you have no evidence at all - you're just assuming the worst of the girl to justify improper behavior on the part of the school.
Please tell us, if you would, where you get this sordid history of misbehavior, that isn't mentioned ANYwhere but your. -.-' . Similar assumptions color just about every similar post supporting the school's actions, if anyone else has noticed.
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24. April 2009 @ 01:59 |
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So,you on the other hand,have the moral and evidential high road?give your head a shake.This is in no way about texting in school,but rather about the rights of the other students to an education.She was disruptive and was dealt with.End of freaking story.
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24. April 2009 @ 09:19 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Lying to a police officer, or anyone at all, for that matter, is in fact NOT a crime (I challenge anyone to find ONE statute otherwise in any municipality in the US or in Federal law), unless it is used to avoid punishment for another crime, or to allow said crime to be commited. Texting is not a crime, nor does it fall under "disorderly conduct" in any law, whether criminal or tort. Ergo, lying to a police officer about said texting is, in fact, perfectly legal.
I've asked 5 lawyers about this today, and all of them didn't believe me and had to look up the Yahoos - and I mean that in a very "Swiftian" way >.< - in Wisconsin themselves... The responses ranged from hilarity to stunned silence.
I live in Wisconsin, and have a degree for criminal justice from here, lying to an officer IS a crime. Maybe not everywhere, but it is here...She was not punished for texting, but for the problems it caused when she was told to stop and the lying to the officer.
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24. April 2009 @ 23:19 |
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Yeesh.
I'm in school too. I would never, ever, text during class. It is EXTREMELY disrespectful to the teachers...and I'll be damned if it doesn't get annoying hearing "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLIIICK" and "SLAM" when they close their phone....over...and over...and over. It's hugely distracting to everyone around - or at least, it is to me. The professors hear it to, and it's hard for them to lecture when they keep hearing all that noise.
It's just so freaking disrespectful. Yeah, I like to text - it's handy - and I have unlimited texting. But when I hit class, my phone gets turned on silent and is not removed from my pocket till I'm out of the room. You can live without texting for 50 minutes...have some respect for others! Damn!
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cart0181
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25. April 2009 @ 00:47 |
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@bozobub
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like just about every high-school student that has ever existed - has an "attitude problem"
I'm glad you agree with me. I too, am making this assumption. I assume she has an attitude problem, and that the teachers are at least somewhat qualified and competent. I assume their first reaction wasn't to call 911 at the first sight of a cell phone or sound of a child texting. Of course, you and I could be wrong, and there exists an insane place somewhere in Wisconsin where children are angels and both teachers and police officers have no idea how to perform their duties.
But, to answer your question, enough "history" is laid forth in the article to extrapolate such a pattern. Such words and phrases used in the article are: "repeatedly" "continually denied" "several numbers all being false" "stuffed down the back of pants"
Or maybe she was just having a really bad day? Normally, she would do nothing of the sort.
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7. May 2009 @ 02:09 |
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Lying is not a criminal offence wtf is this all about!?
try lying to a judge in court - see how far you get in later arguing that it wasn't a criminal offence ;) I believe it's called perjury.
lying to a police officer is only one step down from that - it's called perverting the course of justice :)
both are criminal offences no matter what the crime - most famous recent case :-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/a...lice/article.do
frankly, if they didn't have this listed as a criminal offence - crime detection rates would decrease quite substantially methinks - and i'm not talking about online piracy ;)
Hey buddie i got no problem with you Brits but shut the f--- up! You guys dont fight for your rights but over here in the land of "Don't Tread On Me!" we have a sense of duty to fight for our rights. Apparently you werent paying attention in school cuz your little argument in support of this lunacy quotes a British law & this happened in Wisconson USA!!!! it doesnt matter whether or not she deserved what she got cuz her rights were violated. Besides any "punishment or intervention" starts with school and ends with family. Corporal punishment might set her straight, sure but its besides the point. The point is that "law enforcement" had/ has no law to enforce. get over it.
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Bozobub
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7. May 2009 @ 09:01 |
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I'm glad you agree with me. I too, am making this assumption. I assume she has an attitude problem, and that the teachers are at least somewhat qualified and competent. I assume their first reaction wasn't to call 911 at the first sight of a cell phone or sound of a child texting. Of course, you and I could be wrong, and there exists an insane place somewhere in Wisconsin where children are angels and both teachers and police officers have no idea how to perform their duties.
But, to answer your question, enough "history" is laid forth in the article to extrapolate such a pattern. Such words and phrases used in the article are: "repeatedly" "continually denied" "several numbers all being false" "stuffed down the back of pants"
Or maybe she was just having a really bad day? Normally, she would do nothing of the sort.
That's no "history", that's simply what happened during that incident. I say again: there's nowhere near enough information to make the statement that she had any "history" of misbehavior.
This is all moot. It is NOT against the law to text in school; in fact, school regulations of any sort are, in fact, NOT LAW, unless explicitly writtent into the law at some point. You won't be able to find any provision about texting in class in any state in the US. If you violate school regulations, the school *does* have the right to have you removed, but that's it.
I also strongly disagree with stripsearching students looking for ibuprofen... When are parents going to stop expecting/allowing the schools to do the parents' job?!
It has been established in case law for a long time (at the federal level, so it supersedes state laws as well - this has been to the Supreme Court as well) that lying to an officer of the law is only a crime IF it is done to avoid punishment for a crime that has been - or is about to be - committed, whether for oneself or another. In other words, it's only illegal if you are "lying during an investigation". Thing is, for a legal investigation to be in force, A CRIME MUST BE COMMITTED (or must be just about to happen). Can anyone point out the original "crime" here?
The cop had a right to be there, but only to remove the student. Until state and federal laws define cellular phones as illegal contraband, there's absolutely no excuse for this crap. This is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment, which, by the way, applies to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment.
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14. May 2009 @ 22:24 |
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The article says the crime was disorderly conduct. That seems to be accurate to me. Let's face it, in a teacher's classroom, the teacher runs the show. It's their way or the highway. In this case, the girl chose the highway.
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When are parents going to stop expecting/allowing the schools to do the parents' job?!
At least we agree on that.
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30. November 2010 @ 15:12 |
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Originally posted by yussef:
What we are really missing here is the actual charge. What was the girls charge?
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i was thinking the same think "serial txting" or most likely providing false information
I guess you two shouldn't have been texting in class, either. Learning how to read would have given you the ability to see the charge is in the very first sentence of the article, in big bold print.
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A 14-year-old girl from Wisconsin has been arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.
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7. February 2011 @ 20:05 |
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don't they teach legal aid in schools anymore.when the police were called she should of had a lawyer present and an adult with her during questioning.texting in school is harmless.The other thing to remember if shes a teenager,bet most of you were probably little terrors as a teenager i know i was.when i was in school the police were called on several occasions (drugs,a gun was found in a locker,a student had 30beer bottles smashed over his head at lunch time).The teachers didn't waste there time calling the police over stupid things.
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22. March 2012 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by hun1:
dude that is screwed up i can have my ipod an fone during skewl ploice r messed up i dont like them very much an by law they cant touch u with out a search warrant u just have to say do u have a search warrant
if you beleive that drivel then you must be as stupid as she is.by the way,this thread is like three years old.shes probably unemployed and pregnant by now,considering her demonstrated interest in school.
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