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Missing MUTV & other Channels NTL Ireland
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14. April 2009 @ 09:12 |
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chorus eire symbol rate 6875
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PLEASE DONT PM ME FOR KEYS!
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14. April 2009 @ 09:15 |
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Try 6875
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brinso
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14. April 2009 @ 09:26 |
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Cheers guys its not for me now!! Its for herself family hopefully get them up and running this evening... absolute nightmare with this nagra 3...hopefully the lads can crack it sooner rather than later..
cheers
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fergusrb
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14. April 2009 @ 18:32 |
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dont effect that area at the moment
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16. April 2009 @ 06:12 |
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For those effected by the Nagra2 changeover by N*L in Dublin. The delivered cost of a Kryptview A750 box is approx ?115 (stillable to decode Nagra2). If as suggested the Nagra3 changeover won't fully happen until the end of 2009. This represents 8 months of Movies & sports (and everything else) @ approx ?60 per month = ?480. Sounds like good value to me!! Any reasons why I'm wrong with these assumptions, please reply?
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eoin_b
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16. April 2009 @ 06:17 |
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What makes you think they won't change over fully in the next few weeks for N*L they have had no problems so far i really can't see whats holding them back
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16. April 2009 @ 07:16 |
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I don't know enough to say why they haven't gone directly to Nagra3. All I know is what I read in these forums and it appears as if the changeover to Nagra3 won't happen until the end of the year. As I understand it the encryption in Nagra3 is a lot more sophisticated and would require N*Hell to do another box/card chip update. This of course will cost them money. What if they get enough Sports & Movies subscriptions back from the Nagra2 upgrade! maybe they won't do the Nagra3 at all! There was always a risk buying a Eurov*x box. The same risk applies to the Kryptview bow. Its a punt!! Is it worth taking? I don't know for sure! Anyone how knows better, please comment.
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16. April 2009 @ 07:30 |
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I would advise a period of calm myself until a little more news & certainty is known.
Eurovox's have been good to us, we'll have our days in the sunshine again.
For the moment let's hope for a sunny summer!!!
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16. April 2009 @ 07:42 |
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Originally posted by seoirse:
All I know is what I read in these forums and it appears as if the changeover to Nagra3 won't happen until the end of the year.
Seoirse, any chance you could link to where you read that or who posted it ?
Depending on who the info came from it may be worth listening to, but then again if it came from someone who knows less than most, it may not be worth listening to!!
Thanks
Whatever you say, say nothing when you talk about you know what for if you know who might hear you, you know what youll get. Youll be sent off to you know where for you would not know how long. Maybe I could search through the threads so you dont have to ??
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mouse12
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16. April 2009 @ 12:03 |
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Originally posted by SG8:
Just to try and explain what I understand to be the situation with missing channels (Sky sports,Movies, LFCTV Adult, ZeeTV etc ).
This is the start of the introduction of Nagra 2/3, and they will gradually change over all channels to the new encryption. They will start with the channels with the least amount of subscription (MUTV, Zee TV, Adult Channels) and then work there way through until all channels are on the new encryption. I am not sure how long this is expected to take, so we will just have to enjoy what we have while we have it.
As far as I know, (which is not very far) this new encryption has not been broken anywhere yet (but I stand to be corrected on that), and nobody knows if it will be or when it will be. There are a lot of rumours going around saying that it has been broken, but there has been no proof of this anywhere.
If the new encryption is broken, it may not be possible to update your current box (it may be but it may not be), so if and when the encryption is broken there might be a need to purchase a new type of box.
This is just my own current understanding of the situation, I am not an expert on this and stand to be corrected, just thought I would post this in an effort to explain the current situation
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16. April 2009 @ 12:49 |
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I hear what you are saying, however one dilemna still remains. Why are the Kryptview boxes still working? N*Hell could not have gone to Nagra3 because as you say no current box can decyher Nagra3. Therefore one has to assume N*Hell have not deployed Nagra3. My local club received its new N*Hell card for insertion into the old small silver type set top box. Would these boxes not need to be changed to cope with Nagra3? A friend of mine just got a new apartment in Bray and got N*Hell in. The box they gave him has recording facilities, therefore a Hard Drive. I'd guess that it could cope with Nagra3 (not sure though). Wouldn't you say most N*Hell subscribers have the older hardware? From what I've read about Nagra3, it appears as though there are two elements to it, one being a card with a chip on it (like the existing N*Hell card) and secondly the chip interacts with software/signal of some sort broadcast by the cable co. Its this second element which makes it nigh on impossible to break. The bottom line is, no one seems to know what's going on exactly. I could buy a Krptview box tomorrow and it could last me a week or a year. Its a risk same as the Eurov*x was when it had all the channels. The "end is nigh" messages have been appearing on these forums for ages.
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16. April 2009 @ 13:17 |
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I agree with what you are saying, but I was just wondering where you got the info regarding them not changing to N3 until the end of the year.
The only reason I spent the money on one was because I was afraid that in 2 or 3 months time they would be still working and I would have been saying 'I should have bought one back in April!!'
Whatever you say, say nothing when you talk about you know what for if you know who might hear you, you know what youll get. Youll be sent off to you know where for you would not know how long. Maybe I could search through the threads so you dont have to ??
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fergusrb
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16. April 2009 @ 13:21 |
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Originally posted by SG8:
I agree with what you are saying, but I was just wondering where you got the info regarding them not changing to N3 until the end of the year.
The only reason I spent the money on one was because I was afraid that in 2 or 3 months time they would be still working and I would have been saying 'I should have bought one back in April!!'
these boxes are not new to the market they are around a long time just people did not know about themm thats all
if you had got\one last year yu would have been on the pigs back now ah well we learn by our mistakes
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16. April 2009 @ 16:08 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
Originally posted by SG8:
I agree with what you are saying, but I was just wondering where you got the info regarding them not changing to N3 until the end of the year.
The only reason I spent the money on one was because I was afraid that in 2 or 3 months time they would be still working and I would have been saying 'I should have bought one back in April!!'
these boxes are not new to the market they are around a long time just people did not know about them thats all
if you had got\one last year yu would have been on the pigs back now ah well we learn by our mistakes
Aside from the software update for this box what else is different about its makeup?
If nothing? why aren't the other box supplier releasing a similar update for theirs?
In other words, why can't a further firmware update sort all the existing boxes in the short term?
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16. April 2009 @ 16:13 |
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I had a Eurovox last year and it was working fine so I did not need a Kryptview!! lol
There is nothing different in the makeup of the box, the difference is the support provided by the box manufacturers, Eurovox and Starview have not come up with a fix but Kryptview have.
Whatever you say, say nothing when you talk about you know what for if you know who might hear you, you know what youll get. Youll be sent off to you know where for you would not know how long. Maybe I could search through the threads so you dont have to ??
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16. April 2009 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by SG8:
I had a Eurovox last year and it was working fine so I did not need a Kryptview!! lol
There is nothing different in the makeup of the box, the difference is the support provided by the box manufacturers, Eurovox and Starview have not come up with a fix but Kryptview have.
That was pretty much my point SG8, They were very quick to sell them yet there's no hurry to support.
I am a Replay lite user & they were always the very last to receive an update.
My understanding from Kryptview owners is that they have always had an updated firmware with in 24 hours of a major change. If that's what Kryptview suppliers think of their customers, I know what my next box will be....
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16. April 2009 @ 17:09 |
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Gman
repalay will not have any more fixes and i would be doubtful if euro or Sv have either so what are you left with really not a lot of choice really
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16. April 2009 @ 19:57 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
Gman
repalay will not have any more fixes and i would be doubtful if euro or Sv have either so what are you left with really not a lot of choice really
Yea, I understand that fergusrb, A lot of other users are still under the illusion that their existing boxes might get an update though.
My argument was that if the powers that be really wanted to, they could provide an update for the existing boxes like Kryptview (Arnet) have done prior to the final N3 phase in, It's just that they have chosen not to.
Is it that the suppliers want a short term boost in these recessionary times whereby sales are boosted by a flash panic buying of Kryptviews because no other alternative is available or being made available?
As was stated earlier, Kryptviw is not a new addition, it has been around for some time, it just hasn't been as popular as all the others. Funny how it's the only one working now isn't it? Must be a lot of unsold units lol!
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16. April 2009 @ 20:06 |
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Hi gman,
The Krypt coder was the only one interested in dumping the only Irish N2 card available at the time , ( ROM 110 A05), hence why they are the only ones with the N2 keysets. So TBH if they done the work when others were not interested well they are there to take the benefits.
I like your train of thought here:
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Is it that the suppliers want a short term boost in these recessionary times whereby sales are boosted by a flash panic buying of Kryptviews because no other alternative is available or being made available?
But there are others trying to solve this I wont say for which box types but arriving late at a party never guarantees you a seat. Support is as you can see pre-hit as well as post hit ;)
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16. April 2009 @ 20:26 |
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as scouser has said there he is quite right the other companys its not that they are not fixing it they have just left it to late that's all they where caught on the hop that is why there is no other fixes at this time and prob not likely either well prob not for the cable ones anyway
as they say in this game first up best dressed
and that is exactly what happened here sorry to say and the stable door is now closed
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17. April 2009 @ 05:23 |
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SG8. I got that info from an N*Hell engineer I play tennis with, he works the south side of Dublin. He was the one who told me about the Kryptview box not this forum (although it is mentioned here too). He also told me that the majority of the N*Hell hardware can't cope with N3 and would have to be changed out. This could be hearsay and I'm not standing over this info 100%. I've said before, its a risk to buy a Kryptview box, it will work but nobody seems to know including me for how long. Afterall we are talking about pirating subscription TV. I'd also like to point out that my current Eurov*x boxes are still saving me money. As we stand the only channels that have dropped off are the sports, movies, porn if thats your bag, MUTV, ESPN, Setanta 1,2 etc. Disney is still there and all the other channels that NT*Hell called their "Go Digital" pack. The reason I posted was to offer the opinion that at a cost of ?115 approx delivered to Ireland the Kryptview box break even point is maximum 2 months, based upon a N*Hell sports & movies sub of ?60 a month which is what I remember paying two or more years ago.
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17. April 2009 @ 06:40 |
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Originally posted by seoirse:
SG8. I got that info from an N*Hell engineer I play tennis with, he works the south side of Dublin.
Ah, a reliable source so!! Thanks for replying.
Whatever you say, say nothing when you talk about you know what for if you know who might hear you, you know what youll get. Youll be sent off to you know where for you would not know how long. Maybe I could search through the threads so you dont have to ??
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DanSolo
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17. April 2009 @ 09:44 |
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If they want to sell any more Eurovox or Dreambox etc then they'll have to update the software to handle Nagra2, even if it can never handle Nagra3 (which I don't think we even know yet). If the sellers can update then there's no reason we can't too.
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fergusrb
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17. April 2009 @ 10:13 |
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you cant update what is not made there is no fixes for any other box as yet apart from the KryptView
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DanSolo
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17. April 2009 @ 10:36 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
you cant update what is not made there is no fixes for any other box as yet apart from the KryptView
I didn't say that.
What I said was that if the other box makers want to sell more boxes they'll have to update what they have to Nagra 2. And if they can, we can update the boxes we have.
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