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kenio8185
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15. March 2009 @ 19:00 |
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I paid someone to fix my 360 and it cost me $30, however, it's been about 2 months since then and now my 360 rroded again. I thought that this was gonna last longer but i was wrong. Anyways, rather then sending it back into the dude to get fixed again, i figure i can do the fix myself. I've done my research to see how to do it but i dunno what i need to do it. Can someone give me a list?
Also, if i sent it into microsoft, will they fix it permanently? If they will, do you think they will notice that it is modded?
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coorva
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15. March 2009 @ 22:34 |
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follow this link to fix it yourself,,and dont send to microsoft because you have allready openned it they will send it back not repaired,,http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/xbox-360-repair.htm,,good luck
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kenio8185
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15. March 2009 @ 23:45 |
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Originally posted by coorva:
follow this link to fix it yourself,,and dont send to microsoft because you have allready openned it they will send it back not repaired,,http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/xbox-360-repair.htm,,good luck
I know that they will send it back if i send it as a warranty, but i figured i could pay them to fix it, as long as it would be permanent, i wouldn't mind. But if i would get caught for having a modded xbox then it's not something i wanna do.
Anyways, thx for the link.
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coorva
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16. March 2009 @ 10:03 |
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i have heard of guys sending in there xbox modded and it getting fixed,,thats up to microsoft,,you can take a chance as long its not banned or fore sure they will send it back,and if it is still under warranty then make sure the sticker is on send it in,,you wont get in trouble if thats what your thinking,,send it in and see what happens,,cheers
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16. March 2009 @ 11:15 |
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what is your secondary error codes?
the only way to get a long term reliable repair is to "REFLOW" the failed components. Simply cleaning, installing thermal paste, overheating, and screwing down the heatsinks is "SHORT TERM" wether you want to believe it or not.
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kenio8185
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16. March 2009 @ 19:08 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
what is your secondary error codes?
the only way to get a long term reliable repair is to "REFLOW" the failed components. Simply cleaning, installing thermal paste, overheating, and screwing down the heatsinks is "SHORT TERM" wether you want to believe it or not.
I have never heard of this reflow stuff, can you go into more detail on it?
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16. March 2009 @ 20:37 |
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afterdawn user bhetrick has a reflow station, his is trustworthy, dunno how much he charges tho.
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16. March 2009 @ 20:45 |
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like I said you first must define your symptoms and retrieve your error codes. Get the codes two or three times to check for consistently. Check the "ultimate rrod thread" on this site to reference your error codes. Then to reflow you need some more hardware. Preferably an infrared "preheater". The preheater is a device that warms the entire board gradually to what ever temperature you wish, I choose 175c. Then the second type of hardware you need is called a rework station. The range from simple to extremely sophisticated. The low level ones are a hot air source but what makes them differ from "paint heat guns" is that they have specialized "nozzles" in different sizes depending on what you are working on. The more expensive rework machines have xray capabilities, x/y access, cameras, and accurate thermocouples. Most importantly all rework machines allow you to adjust the temperature and direct heat where you want it, and not on other components. So once you get that hardware and figure out what is wrong with your board, such as a cold solder joint on the gpu, then you REFLOW that component under a strictly controlled profile. Heating at one temp, then peaking at another temp, then dropping to another temp, then cooling. Essentially what happens is you actually heat the balls of solder back to a liquid on the component you suspect is broken. Then it cools and becomes solid again. Then you should xray the board again and see if you made good penertration with your heat source. Then test the board. In the case of a 360 if you reflow and install the factory xclamps back on and the board doesn't work then your reflow was unsuccessfull. If you succeed by adding screws where the xclamps were then you are "band-aid" the problem. Did that make sense? Adding clamping force with an "xclamp kit" is not reflowing. If reflow was good then stock xclamps should work. You can reflow the ram in a similar fashion.
Oh, most importantly... if you do succeed with a reflow then you should address the cooling properties of your console. Cooling may prevent a future failure.
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kenio8185
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17. March 2009 @ 00:05 |
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Originally posted by bd911:
like I said you first must define your symptoms and retrieve your error codes. Get the codes two or three times to check for consistently. Check the "ultimate rrod thread" on this site to reference your error codes. Then to reflow you need some more hardware. Preferably an infrared "preheater". The preheater is a device that warms the entire board gradually to what ever temperature you wish, I choose 175c. Then the second type of hardware you need is called a rework station. The range from simple to extremely sophisticated. The low level ones are a hot air source but what makes them differ from "paint heat guns" is that they have specialized "nozzles" in different sizes depending on what you are working on. The more expensive rework machines have xray capabilities, x/y access, cameras, and accurate thermocouples. Most importantly all rework machines allow you to adjust the temperature and direct heat where you want it, and not on other components. So once you get that hardware and figure out what is wrong with your board, such as a cold solder joint on the gpu, then you REFLOW that component under a strictly controlled profile. Heating at one temp, then peaking at another temp, then dropping to another temp, then cooling. Essentially what happens is you actually heat the balls of solder back to a liquid on the component you suspect is broken. Then it cools and becomes solid again. Then you should xray the board again and see if you made good penertration with your heat source. Then test the board. In the case of a 360 if you reflow and install the factory xclamps back on and the board doesn't work then your reflow was unsuccessfull. If you succeed by adding screws where the xclamps were then you are "band-aid" the problem. Did that make sense? Adding clamping force with an "xclamp kit" is not reflowing. If reflow was good then stock xclamps should work. You can reflow the ram in a similar fashion.
Oh, most importantly... if you do succeed with a reflow then you should address the cooling properties of your console. Cooling may prevent a future failure.
Wow this sounds complicated. There's a hardware store near my house and i know a few of the people that work there, hopefully they will have the hardware necessary at the store and will just let me use it. By sounds of it, the hardware is gonna cost a pretty penny. I'll probably try this reflow if i get a chance to. It sounds complicated but doable. Thx.
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raysuave
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17. March 2009 @ 00:17 |
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Originally posted by coorva:
i have heard of guys sending in there xbox modded and it getting fixed,,thats up to microsoft,,you can take a chance as long its not banned or fore sure they will send it back,and if it is still under warranty then make sure the sticker is on send it in,,you wont get in trouble if thats what your thinking,,send it in and see what happens,,cheers
My modded box RRODed about 2 years ago, after my x-clamp-fix didnt work as long as I wanted, I took a chance and bought some nice looking warranty stickers off ebay and sent it in. Got me a refurb back, modded it and still going strong. I believe if the physical condition of the box and the inside is pretty clean, you have a good chance of getting a refurb back. If you drilled holes n stuff in the case like some others have you can forget it.
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kenio8185
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17. March 2009 @ 01:04 |
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Originally posted by raysuave:
Originally posted by coorva:
i have heard of guys sending in there xbox modded and it getting fixed,,thats up to microsoft,,you can take a chance as long its not banned or fore sure they will send it back,and if it is still under warranty then make sure the sticker is on send it in,,you wont get in trouble if thats what your thinking,,send it in and see what happens,,cheers
My modded box RRODed about 2 years ago, after my x-clamp-fix didnt work as long as I wanted, I took a chance and bought some nice looking warranty stickers off ebay and sent it in. Got me a refurb back, modded it and still going strong. I believe if the physical condition of the box and the inside is pretty clean, you have a good chance of getting a refurb back. If you drilled holes n stuff in the case like some others have you can forget it.
If i did this, do you think that they will notice that it is a modded 360 or should i get rid of the firmware before sending it in?
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raysuave
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17. March 2009 @ 09:04 |
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Originally posted by kenio8185:
If i did this, do you think that they will notice that it is a modded 360 or should i get rid of the firmware before sending it in?
Mine was still modded when I sent it in but that was 2 years ago so there could be a chance they are checking for it now. I think flashing to the original firmware would give you a better chance of getting a refurb. Try to search around this and other forums and see if anybody has posted sending theirs back with modified firmware recently. When you send it in, all they can do is say no, we have determined that the 360 has been tampered and send it back.
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17. March 2009 @ 12:42 |
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What I do when my red rings after a x-clamp fix is just remove the shroud and let it over heat, after it turns into 2 red lights let it cool down then start playing again.Sometimes they just need to be reseated.I have been using my one rrod console for 2 yrs now.
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raysuave
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17. March 2009 @ 14:16 |
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Originally posted by yzrider22:
What I do when my red rings after a x-clamp fix is just remove the shroud and let it over heat, after it turns into 2 red lights let it cool down then start playing again.Sometimes they just need to be reseated.I have been using my one rrod console for 2 yrs now.
Is that like the towel method? I tried the towel method after the xclamp fix but it didn't last long at all. I also read that if you have to keep over heating it to work that it will cause long lasting damage over a above the RROD defect.
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17. March 2009 @ 15:14 |
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Wow this sounds complicated. There's a hardware store near my house and i know a few of the people that work there, hopefully they will have the hardware necessary at the store and will just let me use it. By sounds of it, the hardware is gonna cost a pretty penny. I'll probably try this reflow if i get a chance to. It sounds complicated but doable. Thx.
You won't find ANY of the items I mentioned at a hardware store.
Originally posted by raysuave:
Originally posted by yzrider22:
What I do when my red rings after a x-clamp fix is just remove the shroud and let it over heat, after it turns into 2 red lights let it cool down then start playing again.Sometimes they just need to be reseated.I have been using my one rrod console for 2 yrs now.
Is that like the towel method? I tried the towel method after the xclamp fix but it didn't last long at all. I also read that if you have to keep over heating it to work that it will cause long lasting damage over a above the RROD defect.
@ yz.... overheating without the shroud is not "reseating" anything. if your box works again and again after doing this I can only imagine the damage that is being done throughout the board. The rapid heating and cooling each time you overheat it is causing "micro fractures" in all the other lead free solder. Making it more and more brittle.You are causing it to rrod again and again.The more frequently you overheat it like you described the more often you are going to have to do it again. If you reflow you wouldn't have to do that but you may be beyond the point of no return. If you have done that more than 3 times consider it junk, the rrod will just keep coming back. Your only option is to xray and see how severe the problems are and if possibly re-ball the bga's. Or just buy another console.
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pilferd
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17. March 2009 @ 17:42 |
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i did mine myself ... been almost a year since and my box is still goin strong ... i used these you tube vids ... note: u HAVE TO bake it after u do the xclamp fix ...
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wwwxclampfixcom&view=videos
heres their site w/more info - u can exen buy a kit if u dont feel like savaging your hardware store ...
www.x-clamp-fix.com
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17. March 2009 @ 19:30 |
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Originally posted by pilferd:
i did mine myself ... been almost a year since and my box is still goin strong ... i used these you tube vids ... note: u HAVE TO bake it after u do the xclamp fix ...
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wwwxclampfixcom&view=videos
heres their site w/more info - u can exen buy a kit if u dont feel like savaging your hardware store ...
www.x-clamp-fix.com
this may work for you and many others but you are hardly reflowing the solder under the xbox's own power. Actually I am glad this works for you, you have saved yourself the cost of a new xbox!!! But this will not work for everyone as nearly every RROD is caused by a different cold solder joint or fracture. Although there is only so many error codes, there is hundreds of bga points on the board. If the cold solder joints are minimal, like one or two fractures, then the clamping force you apply with the screws is doing most of the work. If the failure is say 20% of the points on the GPU, 6 points on the ram, and 5 points on the cpu then you need a "REAL REFLOW", not just an xclamp kit. Also in my opinion, anything with the word "TRICK" in the name is just that, a trick and not a fix. (the intro in the video you posted start off with "x-clamp TRICK")
Doing these "tricks" (towel trick, xclamp trick, penny trick) is like replacing your clutch without resurfacing the flywheel, or putting new brake pads on warped and grooved rotors, or touching some b00bies but telling your friends you b*nged her.
I am not b'tching at you, just sharing my experiences.
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17. March 2009 @ 19:59 |
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All i'm saying is that it hasn't ever let me down.I have in the past reflowed diffrent xbox's the getto way by using a heat gun and they never lasted more than a few month's.But you are right about to do it right, would have x-rays and all that good stuff done.But at 199 new Why?And I would never recommend a towel method, as your overheating everthing in the inside.Atleast removing the shroud your containg it to the problem areas.
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6. April 2009 @ 14:00 |
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how much do these re flow machines cost? I have a fry's Electronics in my city(Austin,TX),They might have one? Ive been reading this thread and I think I might have a solder problem. Friend gave me an xbox360 asked me if I can fix it. Did my research, decided to do the xclamp fix and replace paste. The box went from originally 3rrod, now its in 2rrod like its thinking ts over heating or something. Am I right to assume its the solder on cpu temp sensor? When I turn it on it will hold a sec like a boot up then make a slight high pitch click, sounds like its coming from under the heat sink. After that it will blink overheating rrod. I have yet to get the secondary error codes, I am about to do that now
Edit: I just did the secondary error retrieval, code 0011, new thermal paste and the bolts are securely tightened, tightened till small force cant move the bolts with a torque driver
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