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NAGRA 3 Rollout In Ireland - Channels Affected So Far
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fergusrb
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23. March 2009 @ 08:33 |
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Originally posted by Evastar:
I have been informed that the reason the setanta channels are gone is because upc owe them money and haven't paid up, that is why setanta have withdrawn their channels, they have not been changed over to nagra 3.
Can anyone confirm this or see if they know anyone that has lost them even if they were paying for them?
Hi Eve
that is totally untrue all them channels that have been transferred to n2/n3 are all working 100% on the Kryptview box
as for other makers making a fix well all i can say if the LINUX boxes dont have a fix yet i would not hold my breath for the other boxes for a while to come
I am really surprised that the open scourse of the KING of boxes dont have nothing as yet in place for their boxes its a bit of a joke really saying they will be the only boxes to survive a n2/n3 hit just goes to prove them wrong when a cable box is first up best dressed in this case and of course the DEC hit as well
What i will say is that the Kryptview Box is prob one of the best supported boxes out there now out of any of them as you can see first for the fixes first on the last two occasions
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23. March 2009 @ 08:44 |
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Its absolutely pointless people posting "[i]when will there be a fix out[/]"
it will be here when its here and not before hand.
just be patient and wait for it.
there is/will already be someone working on it right now !!
its not like EVERY channel is gone already !!
Story with ya buddy ????
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bhugh
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23. March 2009 @ 08:49 |
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Originally posted by MrTrebus:
Its absolutely pointless people posting "[i]when will there be a fix out[/]"
it will be here when its here and not before hand.
just be patient and wait for it.
there is/will already be someone working on it right now !!
its` not like EVERY channel is gone already !!
here here we just have to wait and see
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ciskz
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23. March 2009 @ 09:19 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
Originally posted by Evastar:
I have been informed that the reason the setanta channels are gone is because upc owe them money and haven't paid up, that is why setanta have withdrawn their channels, they have not been changed over to nagra 3.
Can anyone confirm this or see if they know anyone that has lost them even if they were paying for them?
I am really surprised that the open scourse of the KING of boxes dont have nothing as yet in place for their boxes its a bit of a joke really saying they will be the only boxes to survive a n2/n3 hit just goes to prove them wrong when a cable box is first up best dressed in this case and of course the DEC hit as well
The linux boxes are easier to implement a fix, if the kryptview was open source we could all have the fix.
But people would rather get paid by kryptview and implement on a exclusive basis.
NIIGs
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KOP08
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23. March 2009 @ 09:25 |
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Can confirm that all the channels listed above are gone along with Setanta Sp 1 & 2 in Galway.
The blighters.....they cannot beat us this way....heard there might be new codes on the way for Nagra 3...
Will let know if i get.
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fergusrb
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23. March 2009 @ 10:01 |
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Originally posted by ciskz:
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But people would rather get paid by kryptview and implement on a exclusive basis.
But why should kryptview give anything to anyone after all the LINUX boxes where supposed to be the be end of all of the boxes and supposed to be the only boxes capable of running n2 / n3 seems they have proven the KING of the LINUX boxes wrong they are not as good as made out to be
If they are so great why can they not fix it themselves after all they should have been first to do this
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EDCA5E
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23. March 2009 @ 10:07 |
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Originally posted by ciskz:
Originally posted by fergusrb:
Originally posted by Evastar:
I have been informed that the reason the setanta channels are gone is because upc owe them money and haven't paid up, that is why setanta have withdrawn their channels, they have not been changed over to nagra 3.
Can anyone confirm this or see if they know anyone that has lost them even if they were paying for them?
I am really surprised that the open scourse of the KING of boxes dont have nothing as yet in place for their boxes its a bit of a joke really saying they will be the only boxes to survive a n2/n3 hit just goes to prove them wrong when a cable box is first up best dressed in this case and of course the DEC hit as well
The linux boxes are easier to implement a fix, if the kryptview was open source we could all have the fix.
But people would rather get paid by kryptview and implement on a exclusive basis.
Thats not the case, when is the last time anyone saw the sourcecode for a cam from a linux box?
When the keyrolls changed in the UK to defeat the emulators, the linux boxes where knocked off just as any closed source boxes and without any cam sourcecode it was impossible to fix in the correct manner.
Users of these boxes were VERY lucky that a few coders that actually understood the implementation of the N1 system where able to patch the rom bin files in such a way that allows the linux boxes to continue working at all!
The actual softcam in linux and non-linux boxes are both closed source, the linux boxes do allow cosmetic changes and some extra functionality - but whatever box you have you are ultimately relying on someone else to fix it (unless you know how to do it yourself).
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yvry
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23. March 2009 @ 11:22 |
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This is not true the source of mgcamd was publish long time ago, and you can find it any where on the net, the only thing that it will be no fix for nagra 3, there is not a known hacker that is capable of resolving the logarithmic functions of the nagra 3 and there subcomponetns of protection. there are encrypted and therefore the first step will be to descrypte the first encryption (the antihack) and then the actualy algorhytme of the code that it send it nagra 3, there is not even sure that the actually provider id given by nagra 3 is actually the right provider or just also encrypte, also the caid are changing constant so if you want to contribute to the nagra source start log the nagra codes and read a lot off in stead of acussing that everything is close, the source are there, the log you can create, but your head is what you need to resolve this.
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teveth
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23. March 2009 @ 11:40 |
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the way i see it if ntl add a new encription without changing any of their boxes , then the dbox can still be used craic the signal down the line ... the end of the dbox and the like will be the day ntl start issuing their customers with new subscription boxes me thinks...
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EDCA5E
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23. March 2009 @ 11:45 |
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Originally posted by yvry:
This is not true the source of mgcamd was publish long time ago, and you can find it any where on the net, the only thing that it will be no fix for nagra 3, there is not a known hacker that is capable of resolving the logarithmic functions of the nagra 3 and there subcomponetns of protection. there are encrypted and therefore the first step will be to descrypte the first encryption (the antihack) and then the actualy algorhytme of the code that it send it nagra 3, there is not even sure that the actually provider id given by nagra 3 is actually the right provider or just also encrypte, also the caid are changing constant so if you want to contribute to the nagra source start log the nagra codes and read a lot off in stead of acussing that everything is close, the source are there, the log you can create, but your head is what you need to resolve this.
If what you say regarding the cam source is true then why did nobody fix their emulators in this way when the UK keyroll changed to one that tested the attributes of special function registers?
The answer is either:
1) They couldnt obtain the cam source
2) They didnt understand the nagra system and how the keyroll worked
3) They didnt have the knowledge to edit the source
Whatever way they still relied on someone else fixing it (therefore defeating the object of having a supposedly open source box rather than a closed source one).
Dont get me wrong I am not criticising the linux boxes they are very nice pieces of hardware im just stating that when it comes to the crunch they have no advantage whatsoever over a closed source box.
As for N2/N3.. until a few days ago people thought that the N2 system in Ireland was secure.
What I do know is this - if everyone just sits around waiting for a fix nothing will ever happen - people need to understand how these CA systems work and get stuck in!
Who knows what the future holds.
edc
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23. March 2009 @ 11:48
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yvry
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23. March 2009 @ 12:04 |
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3) They didnt have the knowledge to edit the source ( i still have the source)
But you are right, the most of the people they are just waiting for a solution. about the boxes, any box can read nagra 1 and 2 with the right software, even if the go to nagra 2 they just need to upgrade the box, and if the shops start to sell lets say crytview2 super receiver, is bullshit any box can be change to accept the right emulator, the only thing there is no a point to create a solution for a box if the can sell it over and over again, keep people in dark is just one thing that the maker of emulators and wonder boxes like, it makes money to sell the same amount of boxes over and over.
but provider are more in to introduce new boxes capable of recording, ip playback ( like the new upc box, etc) that atracts more custumers if they can watch a serie that it was broadcasting one wek ago so you did not loose the serie.
new big one upc boxes are capable of ip playback, and more, this have been inroduce to many countries in europe execpt irel and uk
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ddp
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23. March 2009 @ 12:46 |
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Dubstar, no code begging as per forum rules, post edited.
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23. March 2009 @ 16:27 |
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With all the arguing going about Linux boxes being the best, or Kryptview is the best, people are missing the whole point about open source vs closed source.
In this particular case, it makes little difference to the boxes, although people are kind of right in that people developing for the Kryptview are probably making money from it.
People seem to forget that there is a lot of open source software available for M$ Windoze. The problem is that the kernel is closed, and therefore only M$ can fix any problems.
With Linux, and other open source OSs, the code is there for all to see, and therefore anyone can contribute to the development.
As with these boxes, most people don't understand the inner workings of the system, but just get on and use it.
I use Linux on all my computers at home, and mostly in work, although I do also have a Windoze laptop in work. I don't code in the true sense of the word, but I am able to troubleshoot coding, and make changes to get stuff to work, and I can also change the way my kernel works.
For that reason, don't criticise people for not contributing to getting a working N3 code going on boxes. Whether it uses closed or open source, the simple fact of the matter is that probably 95% or more of people using these boxes have no idea of how to code.
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tdtd80
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23. March 2009 @ 16:37 |
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ITS OK...
I CRACKED THE NAGRA 3
.... ONLY KIDDIN
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vikst
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23. March 2009 @ 16:47 |
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For that reason, don't criticise people for not contributing to getting a working N3 code going on boxes. Whether it uses closed or open source, the simple fact of the matter is that probably 95% or more of people using these boxes have no idea of how to code.
100% correct thats why the kryptview deserves some credit.
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mgb17
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23. March 2009 @ 17:10 |
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The kryptview blokes cracked a nagra2 card and got all necessary information from that card. If all nagra2 cards are exchanged the game is also over for the kryptview box.
Nobody cracked a nagra3 card till now.
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vikst
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23. March 2009 @ 17:18 |
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N3 will take time to come into effect fully so yes it be game over for everyone unless someone does crack N3 until then existing kv owners enjoy.
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paunolan
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23. March 2009 @ 18:30 |
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if ntl Dublin are using n2 at the moment before they go to n3,and their is a box decoding n2,can we change codes to view chanels,that have gone?
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23. March 2009 @ 18:32 |
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Originally posted by paunolan:
if ntl Dublin are using n2 at the moment before they go to n3,and their is a box decoding n2,can we change codes to view chanels,that have gone?
If you can crack rom 110 rev A07
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ciskz
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23. March 2009 @ 18:57 |
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Rom110 RevA05 is dumpable, Rom 110 RevA07 however is not.
The two roms are out there, N2 keysets from the RevA05 would allow us to use a n2 cam to view the channels.
NIIGs
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23. March 2009 @ 20:56 |
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Originally posted by ciskz:
Rom110 RevA05 is dumpable, Rom 110 RevA07 however is not.
The two roms are out there, N2 keysets from the RevA05 would allow us to use a n2 cam to view the channels.
How can we go about getting these?
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24. March 2009 @ 05:19 |
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Thanks fergus, just wanted to confirm whether it was true or not. :)
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24. March 2009 @ 05:50 |
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Originally posted by cathaldub:
Originally posted by ciskz:
Rom110 RevA05 is dumpable, Rom 110 RevA07 however is not.
The two roms are out there, N2 keysets from the RevA05 would allow us to use a n2 cam to view the channels.
How can we go about getting these?
hi there.on another site called t*uman support there is a list of k*ys.n1 ,n2 etc.n1 easy to figure out,however n2 complex looking.dont know if it carries k*ys needed.
jvob
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ruprect
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24. March 2009 @ 05:54 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
Originally posted by ciskz:
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But people would rather get paid by kryptview and implement on a exclusive basis.
But why should kryptview give anything to anyone after all the LINUX boxes where supposed to be the be end of all of the boxes and supposed to be the only boxes capable of running n2 / n3 seems they have proven the KING of the LINUX boxes wrong they are not as good as made out to be
If they are so great why can they not fix it themselves after all they should have been first to do this
Who are "they"? If I was a programmer capable of doing it I might offer my services to a company willing to pay. Now if kryptview paid me they might also tell me, "please do not help out the linux box programmers." They are in competition with others and want their box to be the only one working. If I want repeat programming jobs from kryptview it would be in my interest not to release any coding, or only to other companies who will pay.
There are probably a lot more hobby linux programmers out there who can help each other. Also I have heard some non-linux boxes are not that powerful processor wise, so might not be able to actually do real decoding. These are the usual reasons linux boxes are recommended.
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The kryptview blokes cracked a nagra2 card and got all necessary information from that card. If all nagra2 cards are exchanged the game is also over for the kryptview box.
I heard it might only have the keys in it, if they do a keyroll they would not decode them, but would need manual entering. I heard the keys have never rolled on N2.
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Rom110 RevA05 is dumpable, Rom 110 RevA07 however is not.
The two roms are out there, N2 keysets from the RevA05 would allow us to use a n2 cam to view the channels.
How can we go about getting these?
I heard the first cards were 05 and updated to 07 over the network. My mate might well have a 05 card as he got a new slim box ages ago yet only used it for a few days, it was not connected so might not yet be changed to 07.
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yelly
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24. March 2009 @ 06:31 |
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Where can we get the kryptview box and do you reckon it would be worth while buying one or will they be effected soon as well?/
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