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NAGRA 3 Rollout In Ireland - Channels Affected So Far
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mgb17
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26. March 2009 @ 19:19 |
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The linux boxes would need only 2 keys for N2. A 64 byte one and a 16 byte one.
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fergusrb
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26. March 2009 @ 19:24 |
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LOL someone better tell SATMAN this as he is pulling his hair out right now
and if there coders cannot get it right for itgate what does that tell ya
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alfredous
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26. March 2009 @ 19:26 |
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In reply to Fergusb: thanks for the clarification of the law (as it is written).
This may sound more than a little defensive but...
the "ex-schoolteacher" who was recently prosecuted fell foul of the law, not because he sold said boxes, but because he equipped boxes with the data necessary to decode information which is protected under various laws protecting intellectual property and performance rights.
If you note the date (1990) of the quoted act, it would have been outmoded at the time it was written (as are most laws, but particularly in relation to ICT).
There is too much money at stake. Money buys ingenuity in the interpretation of law. If the large corporations could not strangle the distribution of these machines at birth, never mind intimidate individual owners in a very public way, you can be guaranteed that you are not currently at risk and - as was the case with that famous music-sharing facility - when the assault comes, it will be loud, clear, and very public.
When I become aware of a solitary citizen being convicted for possession of a device such as those we (presumably, on this forum) are familiar with, then I will accede that my (our) possession of such a device is somehow in contravention of the law and that I (we) am engaging in an illegal practice by virtue of my possessing such a device.
Me, personally, I only use this device because it gives a much better picture (via the Digital Kaos image) than the standard NThell box!
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fergusrb
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26. March 2009 @ 19:30 |
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there is an amendment to that act but i just cant put my finger on it now
ido know it is a new section they have put in section 7 was amended to stop all boxes from been plugged into any cable feed
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mgb17
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26. March 2009 @ 19:34 |
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Originally posted by fergusrb:
LOL someone better tell SATMAN this as he is pulling his hair out right now
and if there coders cannot get it right for itgate what does that tell ya
There is nothing to code to solve the N2 problem at linux boxes. The right keys from a cracked card are needed. The linux emus are able to handle N2.
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alfredous
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26. March 2009 @ 19:38 |
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Seriously, I wasn't being smart with the repeat performance - I reckon it's time for bed!
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fergusrb
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26. March 2009 @ 19:57 |
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not a bother mate no offense taken
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magling
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26. March 2009 @ 20:13 |
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Originally posted by poolfan81:
yeah noticed them aliright, and our service in our area was down for few hours last week might be all coincidenc but...
confirm setanta golf is gone
Noticed before channels started to dissapear ntl broadband was also gone for a while in Waterford.
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ciskz
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26. March 2009 @ 20:29 |
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Fergusrb is your whole objective just to make people believe linux boxes are crap.
People did say they would be the best way to go but that was only as there are already N2EMUs ect available.
And as MGB17 said all thats needed is the keysets form a N2 card, the problem is locating one and dumping it REVA05 only, Which is hard as the satman is in the UK ect.
Dreambox is german, dbox is 3nd german cable equipment.
But at least if one linux box get a fix they all get a fix.
The Kryptview is a bit of an exception as ive said before you tried to dismiss it, Kryptview have an active team working and supporting there box currently and this is why they have they N2 keysets and are keeping them.
I very much doubt we will see starview, eurovox N2 fixes, at least not before the linux ones are up and running.
NIIGs
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fergusrb
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26. March 2009 @ 20:35 |
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i never said linux was crap all i did say is that people believe that the linux boxes are the be end of all boxes that has now been proven that there not thats all im trying to say
correct i agree with you on that one
but they could if the powers to be wanted them to be fixed ;)
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ciskz
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26. March 2009 @ 20:37 |
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True but unfortunately the main man behind all the recent starview, eurovox fixes has left the game.
But you never know.
NIIGs
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fergusrb
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26. March 2009 @ 20:39 |
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yes i am aware of that all right but never under estimate people gone today does not mean gone forever
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Inquitus
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27. March 2009 @ 05:33 |
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So cryptview has eeked a few extra months out of the temp N2 streams pending the full upgrade to N3, it's still in all likelyhood a doorstop until N3 is cracked if not forever. I certainly wouldnt buy one at this juncture when paying for subs would in all likelyhood work out cheaper than buying the box for just a few months use.
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27. March 2009 @ 06:59 |
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i know that other box gives ya an extra few months but is it really worth it? surely we can survive without one until somebody sorts out n3
With great power comes ME!
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mkwabbey
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27. March 2009 @ 10:57 |
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Originally posted by ciskz:
True but unfortunately the main man behind all the recent starview, eurovox fixes has left the game.
But you never know.
fact or bull??
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EDCA5E
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27. March 2009 @ 11:26 |
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re:N2 just needing keys - either for linux or otherwise, whilst this is the case at the moment the game could change very rapidly.
You would be amazed at what they could do to beef up security.
I have no doubt that the linux people will obtain the operational keys from an A05 but this wont last long you will really see who knows what if the keys start rolling!
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brock8769
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27. March 2009 @ 12:01 |
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Am I getting this right. In the past I flashed a new image or keys or whatever I was advised to do onto my DBox2 and all was solved. Many thanks to all of those who have the knowledge to do this kind of thing by the way. So in the situation we now face someone who has a Dbox must also be subscribing, get a n2 physical card from for example NT*&*, break it and then send the solution out to the rest of us novices. Well hats off.
I'm just hoping that teh main Dbox problem solvers haven't moved on to Kryptview. While I have figured out how to type on a computer it took me ten years to figure out how to turn it on in the first place. I am very dependent on the skills and generosity of you all. Many of the senior guys deserve a big Clap on teh back. Thanks again.
brock
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ciskz
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27. March 2009 @ 12:20 |
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Originally posted by EDCA5E:
re:N2 just needing keys - either for linux or otherwise, whilst this is the case at the moment the game could change very rapidly.
You would be amazed at what they could do to beef up security.
I have no doubt that the linux people will obtain the operational keys from an A05 but this wont last long you will really see who knows what if the keys start rolling!
Apparently the N2 keys have never rolled, at least not in a long while, but if they get news that the boxes have a hold of em im sure they will start rolling.
NIIGs
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joeywalsh
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27. March 2009 @ 13:07 |
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in dub most sports channels,po*n channels and music channels gone.Also if any one has any broken boxes for s**e could ya let us know as i need panel.thanks
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gleneasto
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27. March 2009 @ 13:18 |
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all my channels are gone in leixlip any suggestions out there pls missing them already
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27. March 2009 @ 13:19 |
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So lads have I got this right?
NTHell are now beginning to move their channels from Nagra 2 to Nagra 3 encryption (as can be seen with no access to footy channels, NASN & the cheap slumdog po*n channels). Once they to this we will have to wait for new firmware as there's nothing out there yet that we can do?
At the moment there are no code cracks for Nagra 3 but the Kryptviews are working - because they are Linux based??? Is that right???
Finally, what genetic make-up are the Eurovox's?
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gleneasto
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27. March 2009 @ 13:28 |
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only got a couple back paramount comedy plus 1 rte1 3e so far, help im missing me history channel
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27. March 2009 @ 14:04 |
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Originally posted by gleneasto:
only got a couple back paramount comedy plus 1 rte1 3e so far, help im missing me history channel
This thread is about Nagra3 and channels moved off N1
Start a new thread or search for your solution on the forum, also if you are starting a new thread please put in the model of box, what exactly is wrong, what you have done to try fix it, what firmware you are on, provider, etc!
theres no need to post twice, your question wasnt answered because its in a thread thats nothing to do with your problem
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27. March 2009 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by JaneyMack:
So lads have I got this right?
NTHell are now beginning to move their channels from Nagra 2 to Nagra 3 encryption (as can be seen with no access to footy channels, NASN & the cheap slumdog po*n channels). Once they to this we will have to wait for new firmware as there's nothing out there yet that we can do?
At the moment there are no code cracks for Nagra 3 but the Kryptviews are working - because they are Linux based??? Is that right???
Finally, what genetic make-up are the Eurovox's?
No they are moving from Nagra1 to Nagra3, but have a temporary Nagra2 stream which the Kryptview is using, Kryptview isnt linux based its closed source so I think all the software is wrote in-House
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mgb17
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27. March 2009 @ 14:12 |
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Originally posted by JaneyMack:
So lads have I got this right?
NTHell are now beginning to move their channels from Nagra 2 to Nagra 3 encryption (as can be seen with no access to footy channels, NASN & the cheap slumdog po*n channels). Once they to this we will have to wait for new firmware as there's nothing out there yet that we can do?
At the moment there are no code cracks for Nagra 3 but the Kryptviews are working - because they are Linux based??? Is that right???
Finally, what genetic make-up are the Eurovox's?
You shouldn't mixup nagra2 and nagra3.
The UPC target is to move completly to nagra3. Nobody cracked a N3 card till now.
UPC installed the thomson pvr boxes and upc media boxes with nagra2 cards in the past. The kryptview box is able to handle N2 via keys from a cracked N2 card.
After the last subscriber with a N2 card got a N3 card UPC will switch off also N2 and the game is over for every box.
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