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Windows 7 will include virtual Windows XP Mode
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article published on 26 April, 2009
In an effort to convince businesses to migrate to Windows 7, Microsoft will offer an add-on for the upcoming operating system that will allow users to run applications designed for Windows XP in a virtual machine. This represents the first time Microsoft has relied on virtualization for backwards compatibility.
The add-on, called "Windows XP Mode" creates an XP virtual environment running ... [ read the full article ]
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Lothros
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26. April 2009 @ 13:30 |
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So instead of running XP and my program, I now have to run Xp, My program AND the horribly Bloated Resource hogging Windows 7?
Oh yeah, I cannot wait to sign up!
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H08
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26. April 2009 @ 14:04 |
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if you want to run Xp then JUST BUY XP, Dont Buy W7!!..Simple isnt it? Im tired of all the complaining on this site.
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Your friend in nam is not lying. She has a modded PS2, and the modder was generous enough to relabel the PS2 to PS3.
Then the pirate selling games relabeled Assassins Creed 1 and called it Assassins Creed 2. This is called marketing.
Your friend is honest and thinks she plays AC2 on a PS3. In reality she is playing AC1 on a PS2.
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26. April 2009 @ 14:26 |
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Well Done Microsoft! I don't say that too often...lol. This is a fantastic tool. I hate not being able to run all my old favourite programs and games etc.. everytime I have to upgrade to a new PC running a new operating system. This is just awesome! I'm still running Windows XP which in my opinion is Microsoft's best OS to date. I have purposely skipped the bloated Windows Vista for that reason and I've been very encouraged by Windows 7 reviews. This could be the best yet! I look forward to my future upgrade to Windows 7. Fantastic!
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26. April 2009 @ 15:56 |
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An OS inside of an OS, its like those Russian Nesting Dolls.
we should take to the max. W7 runs a VM of vista, the vista VM runs a VM of XP, the VM XP runs a VM of 2000, the VM 2000 runs a VM of ME,the VM ME runs a VM of 98, the VM of 98 runs a VM of 95, the VM of 95 runs a VM of 3.1,and the VM of 3.1 runs a VM of DOS.
FYI W7 is Not Vista. W7 is nowhere near the resource hog Vista is.
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26. April 2009 @ 16:38 |
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I would hardly call them having to use a virtual OS for backwards compatibility a success of any kind. It just goes to show how little effort Microsoft puts into compatibility; they seem to think products should be built to work on them rather then vice versa; very ignorant and arrogant business platform.
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26. April 2009 @ 17:08 |
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
I would hardly call them having to use a virtual OS for backwards compatibility a success of any kind. It just goes to show how little effort Microsoft puts into compatibility; they seem to think products should be built to work on them rather then vice versa; very ignorant and arrogant business platform.
Very sagely words !
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26. April 2009 @ 17:25 |
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Originally posted by BazNZ:
Well Done Microsoft! I don't say that too often...lol. This is a fantastic tool. I hate not being able to run all my old favourite programs and games etc.. everytime I have to upgrade to a new PC running a new operating system. This is just awesome! I'm still running Windows XP which in my opinion is Microsoft's best OS to date. I have purposely skipped the bloated Windows Vista for that reason and I've been very encouraged by Windows 7 reviews. This could be the best yet! I look forward to my future upgrade to Windows 7. Fantastic!
The only trouble is VM is software based emulation and is unable to use hardware correctly so DX is crippled and it can't find your video card......
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26. April 2009 @ 18:16 |
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26. April 2009 @ 21:26 |
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oh my lol, you peopel complain too much, win7 is vista witha face lift. and vista 64 bti was the best OS MS put out IMO.
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vyze
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26. April 2009 @ 23:26 |
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"nesting" XP in W7 is a nice idea.
You can also "nest" XP in Linux using VirtualBox so then you can run both linux and xp applications "natively"
Microsoft is trying to learn from the mistakes with Vista.
Sure, they haven't learn about having multiple personality disorder just to make more money. Business, Server and Home are enough versions. Ubuntu 9.04 has the Server, the Desktop and a custom one for NetBooks called Alternative.
I loved using W7 64-bit beta until a software update rendered the machine unusable as it BSoD'd after the startup chime.
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c.trigger
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27. April 2009 @ 00:03 |
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tricks like this worked for os9 in OSx
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27. April 2009 @ 00:09 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
oh my lol, you peopel complain too much, win7 is vista witha face lift. and vista 64 bti was the best OS MS put out IMO.
stop calling it a Face lift when it is not, they have revised the core.
Vista's Core Sucked balls anyway you look at it.
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27. April 2009 @ 00:28 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
oh my lol, you peopel complain too much, win7 is vista witha face lift. and vista 64 bti was the best OS MS put out IMO.
Actualy, XP64 is their best so far...the only problem is that driver support is all but non-existant, and the drivers that do exist are almost all beta and/or buggy.
This is nothing new; virtual machine is already in use on vista machines to run programs that work on 98/2000/XP but not on vista. The only difference is that they do the setup for you. There is a big problem with virtual machine that this does not seem to address...you cannot run 64-bit operating systems on microsoft's VM. That means that they are cutting backwards compatability for XP64 and Vista64, at least to a certain extent.
What I don't understand is: Why include a pre-compiled XP virtual machine, and not a pre-compiled win9x virtual machine? For that matter, Microsoft does not care how much space it's products use, so it might as well come with a Win2000 VM image as well.
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27. April 2009 @ 00:29 |
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Originally posted by Lothros:
So instead of running XP and my program, I now have to run Xp, My program AND the horribly Bloated Resource hogging Windows 7?
Oh yeah, I cannot wait to sign up!
Don't be ridiculous and make comments about stuff you know nothing about. Windows 7 is the farthest from bloated. I'm an engineer and administrator working for a company that is 1 of only 60 in the world that are National Systems Integrators for Microsoft and we get first picks with everything..........including 7. Using it, been using it for a long time and much of our engineers choose to use as well. It's a fraction of the size of Vista, a fraction of the system resource hog as Vista, comparable to that of XP and I have been proactively watching for feedback..........I have yet to see ONE COMPLAINT.
You don't like............drop your computer off a bridge and go with a MAC (because MACs will of course save the world; NOT), but don't make lame, meritless comments. This I am an expert in and I'm not bias, because MS drives me nuts. I just know fact from fiction.
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EMIR
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27. April 2009 @ 01:21 |
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I JUST INSTAL WINDOWS 7 BUILD 7000 ON BIOSTAR MOTHERBOARD ITS WORKING BUT ONLY CANT UPDATE THE VIDEO CARD BUT WORKING WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS AND ITS FAST I LIKE VISTA AND XP BUT WIND.7 ITS NEW AND ITS FAST AND THE ORBIT CRACK WORKING TO SO ACTIVATION IS DISABLED DIDNOT GO ONLINE TO SE IF THE INTERNET WORKING BUT I WILL GO LATER WINDOWS 7 IS GREAT AND FAST THANK YOU MICROSOFT
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27. April 2009 @ 04:10 |
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Don't know why folk keep bitching about vista,get 4 gig of ram installed, turn off the index service and bobs you uncle,its more secure then XP haven't got a virus yet or any spy ware and i visit a lot of dodgy sites.
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varnull
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27. April 2009 @ 04:42 |
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still drm riddled spyware filled junk that you only rent tho... and that's the end of it.
not much point banging on about "how f--- great the beta or rc is.... until you poor schmucks get the full retail with all the hollywood drm crap in it you will never see how bad it really is.
Does nobody remember all the raving about fista?.. how it was the best thing ever??? yeah right.. same old crap from M$ .. a company with no ideas of their own.
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subpopz
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27. April 2009 @ 04:43 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
Don't know why folk keep bitching about vista,get 4 gig of ram installed, turn off the index service and bobs you uncle,its more secure then XP haven't got a virus yet or any spy ware and i visit a lot of dodgy sites.
Because people are trying to run Vista on a machine that just can't handle it.
Seems the majority of people want an OS and PC from almost 10 years ago.
Why is it that when an OS wants more resources, people bitch and complain? Nobody complains when a game (or any other app) does that?
Awwwww, why does Bioshock/Crysis/insert DX10 game here need so much video RAM?....The original Doom never required that much, so it must be bloatware. I must base all my opinions on software and hardware requirements from a decade ago. Wawawa.
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hendrix04
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27. April 2009 @ 08:40 |
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Trying to stay nativally backwards compatable is what has gotten MS into the situation they are in now. They are trying to throw anything and everything into an OS to keep it backwards compatable and it just got more and more unstable. I applaud MS for their decision to do it virtually. If they do the virtualization right (which lets face it, i doubt it), you WILL be able to run DX games and have near native speeds in the VM.
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maryjayne
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27. April 2009 @ 09:53 |
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Why is it that when an OS wants more resources, people bitch and complain? Nobody complains when a game (or any other app) does that?
Awwwww, why does Bioshock/Crysis/insert DX10 game here need so much video RAM?....The original Doom never required that much, so it must be bloatware. I must base all my opinions on software and hardware requirements from a decade ago. Wawawa.
People complain because the average Joe is not a gamer. Typically gamers are not as concerned about system resources because they either dropped a huge wad of cash to get a good system that will be good for years to come, or they are constantly looking for the next upgrade to play the newest game available.
Most computer users dont want to have to spend another couple of hundred dollars on an upgrade (yes a couple hundred since the average person does not know how to do their own upgrades). My wife, for one, has her system completely maxed out at 2GB ram and a 3.73 dual core processor. Her system still works flawlessly, but is she expected to upgrade just to run a new operating system? I think not.
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27. April 2009 @ 12:25 |
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Is this similar to VMware? Or is this software emulated. I'd be interested in finding out. I just built my new Corei7 machine and am running Vista Ultimate 64. I installed XP Svc Pack 3 in VMware and run it off a 40GB external USB drive. I only assigned it 512MB RAM and 1 processor. Runs pretty quick and doesn't noticeably slow down any of my Vista processes when I have it turned on. I haven't experienced any lag in Vista Ultimate 64, but I would like to try Windows 7 eventually.
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27. April 2009 @ 14:00 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Does nobody remember all the raving about fista?.. how it was the best thing ever??? yeah right.. same old crap from M$ .. a company with no ideas of their own.
I don't remember any ranting and raving. It was complaint after complaint from the beginning of Vista's betas and RCs. Maybe initially there were good words before people had any actual use with the software, but once the RC reached the public it was nothing but complaints.
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27. April 2009 @ 14:17 |
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does no body rmember the BS that every said about XP till SP2?
vist awas brilliant on the off. the onyl problem were lazy 3rd party drivers.
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27. April 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Wow, Windows 7 can run XP! If that isn't an admission of failure I don't know what is. I'll stick with my Linux, thank-you very much. It can run XP too, and without all the Windows bloat.
Windows 7 isn't Vista with a facelift? The only reason it isn't a service pack is because it would still have the name Vista, nothing like a new name to sell the same old #$%% to the same old suckers. You shouldn't NEED 4GB of RAM to run an OS. If your applications need it for databases etc, fair enough, but not the OS itself.
Microsoft should just die gracefully. But no, it is just going to turn into SCO all over again, expect to see a lot of litigation from Microsoft trying to survive over the next 10 years, NOT innovation.
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27. April 2009 @ 17:19 |
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Originally posted by OzMick:
Wow, Windows 7 can run XP! If that isn't an admission of failure I don't know what is. I'll stick with my Linux, thank-you very much. It can run XP too, and without all the Windows bloat.
Windows 7 isn't Vista with a facelift? The only reason it isn't a service pack is because it would still have the name Vista, nothing like a new name to sell the same old #$%% to the same old suckers. You shouldn't NEED 4GB of RAM to run an OS. If your applications need it for databases etc, fair enough, but not the OS itself.
Microsoft should just die gracefully. But no, it is just going to turn into SCO all over again, expect to see a lot of litigation from Microsoft trying to survive over the next 10 years, NOT innovation.
Exactly.
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