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Windows 7 will include virtual Windows XP Mode
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article published on 26 April, 2009
In an effort to convince businesses to migrate to Windows 7, Microsoft will offer an add-on for the upcoming operating system that will allow users to run applications designed for Windows XP in a virtual machine. This represents the first time Microsoft has relied on virtualization for backwards compatibility.
The add-on, called "Windows XP Mode" creates an XP virtual environment running ... [ read the full article ]
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27. April 2009 @ 18:06 |
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OzMick
If Linux ran any of the games only available for Windows then Microsoft would die for sure... until then Microsoft will continue to enjoy their 90% of market share.
I use Linux myself on a couple of PCs but it is far from perfect!
Been using the Windows 7 Beta since it came out and it runs smooth. Might be the first time I actually buy an OS.
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27. April 2009 @ 21:10 |
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Originally posted by 1Adonis4u:
OzMick
If Linux ran any of the games only available for Windows then Microsoft would die for sure... until then Microsoft will continue to enjoy their 90% of market share.
Quite true, but personally I leave the gaming to my console for the most part. imo PC's are workhorses not for games but that's just my view on it.
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28. April 2009 @ 00:17 |
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Yes, Vista 64 bit with the latest SP flies, if you have the right hardware. You can tweak alot of the BS and really get the system running correctly... however, 7 runs correctly right from the base installation.
And it runs well on OLDER hardware. Basically, if you have a gig of memory, and a 1ghz or great processor (such as the earlier Centrino badged Pentium M's) you are set.
Of course, the better the hardware, the better the results, as with any system. Many of the "older" platforms I tested don't support Aero, but it's not a major loss unless you want the eye candy.
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28. April 2009 @ 03:22 |
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Originally posted by OzMick:
Wow, Windows 7 can run XP! If that isn't an admission of failure I don't know what is. I'll stick with my Linux, thank-you very much. It can run XP too, and without all the Windows bloat.
Windows 7 isn't Vista with a facelift? The only reason it isn't a service pack is because it would still have the name Vista, nothing like a new name to sell the same old #$%% to the same old suckers. You shouldn't NEED 4GB of RAM to run an OS. If your applications need it for databases etc, fair enough, but not the OS itself.
You don't need 4 gig of ram to run the OS (Vista) 1 gig will do, if you want all the bells and whistles,dreamscene,sidebar,etc the more you run the more memory you need,simple maths.
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28. April 2009 @ 03:23 |
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Originally posted by 1Adonis4u:
OzMick
If Linux ran any of the games only available for Windows then Microsoft would die for sure... until then Microsoft will continue to enjoy their 90% of market share.
I use Linux myself on a couple of PCs but it is far from perfect!
Been using the Windows 7 Beta since it came out and it runs smooth. Might be the first time I actually buy an OS.
Gaming on the PC is dying and has been for years, too much piracy for developers to have to deal with.
Gamers, despite their opinions of themselves, are a minority of PC users, and are hardly going to decide the fate of Microsoft. The vast majority of Windows installations are in businesses where an integrated chipset is more than adequate. Most gamers probably wouldn't even pay for a Windows license in any case, l33t as they (think they) are.
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28. April 2009 @ 13:41 |
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This is just Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 with the ability to add OS's other then XP removed and the ability to do a quick setup added. Whats the point if you really care download VPC.
I'm fairly sure this is poppycock anyway. Mainly because pretty much everything works fine in 7 anyway and even then if something hasn't worked I've got onto Microsoft using the Send Feedback button and they've fixed it a few weeks later...
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28. April 2009 @ 18:51 |
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Linux = Fail.
It had a market opened up to it with the retardedness that is netbooks, and a Windows platform (XP) still dominates there.
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28. April 2009 @ 23:14 |
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Originally posted by subpopz:
Linux = Fail.
It had a market opened up to it with the retardedness that is netbooks, and a Windows platform (XP) still dominates there.
Linux has been and will always be in its own little category.
unlike windows and Mac the aim of Linux was never to dominate but instead provide a choice across multiple platforms.
routers,gateways,hardware firewalls,PC,PDA,Cell Phones,Corporate Servers. you name it Linux has more than likely been able to run it
Windows is one of the worst OSes i've seen in my life, but when it dominates a good 70% of the market its really a stark comparison.
I use Windoze to game.
I use Gentoo for the more Common tasks.
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28. April 2009 @ 23:22 |
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Originally posted by 1Adonis4u:
OzMick
If Linux ran any of the games only available for Windows then Microsoft would die for sure... until then Microsoft will continue to enjoy their 90% of market share.
I use Linux myself on a couple of PCs but it is far from perfect!
Been using the Windows 7 Beta since it came out and it runs smooth. Might be the first time I actually buy an OS.
Gaming on the PC is dying and has been for years, too much piracy for developers to have to deal with.
Gamers, despite their opinions of themselves, are a minority of PC users, and are hardly going to decide the fate of Microsoft. The vast majority of Windows installations are in businesses where an integrated chipset is more than adequate. Most gamers probably wouldn't even pay for a Windows license in any case, l33t as they (think they) are.
Thats a incorrect view of PC gaming, the 2 main reasons PC gaming is dying or at least has less backing for moronic twitch gamer titles is because MS went console and dragged the whole industry with it, because its as easy to dev for the MS consoles quickened PC development on consoles since they simply have a larger user base to sell to. Another huge issue with gaming in general is development costs that are thinning out developers and publishers focusing the industry even more to a console centric IE watered down nature.
Piracy? bah! Its about sheer marketable user bases.
If Piracy was a huge concern the WII would not be more easy to hack than the 360.... and the 360 would not be the most pirated system ever....
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30. April 2009 @ 13:31 |
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Can we ban the guy using ALL CAPS? Just a thought.
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30. April 2009 @ 13:37 |
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Originally posted by hermes_vb:
Can we ban the guy using ALL CAPS? Just a thought.
Also why the funk does he think he can randomly ask for help in the news section....
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Just to say something about the performance of each OS:
Windows XP x32 - About 15-21 processes on new format startup
Windows Vista x64 - About 50+ processes on new format startup
Windows 7 x64 - About 30-35 processes on new format startup.
All tested on my computer with all updates, activation, all drivers installed.
So XP is still the best with performance here but Windows 7 is a HUGE improvement over Vista.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
W7 is Not Vista. W7 is nowhere near the resource hog Vista is.[/i]
Haven't had the (dis)pleasure of using Vista, but W7 runs very smoothly on my Core 2 Duo E6400 with onboard graphics.
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by DXR88:
W7 is Not Vista. W7 is nowhere near the resource hog Vista is.[/i]
Haven't had the (dis)pleasure of using Vista, but W7 runs very smoothly on my Core 2 Duo E6400 with onboard graphics.
EMIR - Please don't ubuse that poor CAPS LOCK buton in future.
the thing is creaky, vista is fine when you have a AMD 7750BE 4GB of ram 2x 3870's a 600 watt Crossfire ready PSU.
W7 can run just as good on older hardware (2002 era) as XP. i don't like Vista as the interface is a throw off (it doesn't feel windoish?)
W7 interface is no better than vista's buts its a change i'll have to get used to. after all somebody's got to send me back to school for a new session in OS fundamentals (never got why its got fun in there more like hellamentals).
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3. May 2009 @ 02:06 |
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Why is it that when an OS wants more resources, people bitch and complain? Nobody complains when a game (or any other app) does that?
Awwwww, why does Bioshock/Crysis/insert DX10 game here need so much video RAM?....The original Doom never required that much, so it must be bloatware. I must base all my opinions on software and hardware requirements from a decade ago. Wawawa.
People complain because the average Joe is not a gamer. Typically gamers are not as concerned about system resources because they either dropped a huge wad of cash to get a good system that will be good for years to come, or they are constantly looking for the next upgrade to play the newest game available.
Most computer users dont want to have to spend another couple of hundred dollars on an upgrade (yes a couple hundred since the average person does not know how to do their own upgrades). My wife, for one, has her system completely maxed out at 2GB ram and a 3.73 dual core processor. Her system still works flawlessly, but is she expected to upgrade just to run a new operating system? I think not.
How difficult can it be to pull out a stick of ram and inssert a 2 gig stick into the slot ? Any retard can do that and it can be had for less than $ 50.00 at Newegg !
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Originally posted by DXR88:
the thing is creaky, vista is fine when you have a AMD 7750BE 4GB of ram 2x 3870's a 600 watt Crossfire ready PSU
Originally posted by zorb43:
How difficult can it be to pull out a stick of ram and inssert a 2 gig stick into the slot ? Any retard can do that and it can be had for less than $ 50.00 at Newegg !
That was why i always stayed away from Vista. I don't buy into the (misguided) idea that the latest OS or software has to have a monster system with which to run it. Just because there are £400 graphics cards etc for sale doesn't mean an OS has to be designed to virtually need the very latest powerful hardware to run. Linux can indeed run on very old hardware, and personally i run a mix of old and new hardware (nowadays mainly new, but i digress) Windows 7, Linux etc, can run on peoples' existing (and slower) hardware. It was about time that Microsoft made Windows 7 (refined Vista code no less) able to run on older, slower hardware (and apparently on netbooks too though i'm leaving my netbook on XP for now), we don't all want or need to have the very latest expensive hardware just because they release a new OS.
I don't fall for the argument 'technology moves on blah blah blah', of course it does, but i don't sell the kids every time something new comes out. I do try and keep my kit fairly up to date, but i'm not one of today's throwaway society who have to have the latest toys just because they're out there, i'm not 6yrs old anymore. I run old kit until it's had it, i don't just trash or get rid just because it can't run new stuff, it can still run existing OS/software and/or alternative OS/software.
Maybe Windows 7 was written to run leaner to take advantage of the netbook type market, i don't know (or care), it just means that they will regain a customer who used every single release of theirs except Vista (i even used the abomination that was WinMe). What i won't be doing however is allowing any Windows Updates on my machines, just as i wouldn't do with previous versions. I don't want DRM on my kit, whether it's via Updates or not.
Originally posted by DXR88:
W7 can run just as good on older hardware (2002 era) as XP.
I've so far only tried W7 (build 7000) on an AMD Turion laptop and build 7100 on this Core 2 Duo E6400, W7 does indeed absolutely fly here. I've got XP, W7 and Mandriva 2009.1 on this machine now, and i have very good performance from all three, the only pain is which one to use, though W7 is winning so far :)
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Even the oldest computers are useful for something, a NAS or steaming server hell even a dynamics's Machine. people are to quick to throw away there stuff.
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want to know a secret?.. I don't give a toss what a beta or an rc candidate includes or doesn't.. at the end of the day they will sell you the same old crap dressed up to look pretty..
even xp spends more time painting pretty pictures of application icons than actually doing what you want it to.. junk..
wait for the full retail release.. It comes from on high.. fista was to test the resolve of retailers and worldwide governments with the anti-trust.. round1 to M$.. round 2 to FOSS.. because we all remember sco and cbm..
to the idiot.. M$ now have less that a 50% share of the home desktop usage.. the market (units sold per pc) are twisted by retailer lockin. Until friday I had over 70 working computers in myn house.. guess what.. no windoze heap amongst them.... and I haven't bought a pc or operating system since windows 3.1
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Originally posted by varnull:
want to know a secret?.. I don't give a toss what a beta or an rc candidate includes or doesn't.. at the end of the day they will sell you the same old crap dressed up to look pretty..
even xp spends more time painting pretty pictures of application icons than actually doing what you want it to.. junk..
wait for the full retail release.. It comes from on high.. fista was to test the resolve of retailers and worldwide governments with the anti-trust.. round1 to M$.. round 2 to FOSS.. because we all remember sco and cbm..
to the idiot.. M$ now have less that a 50% share of the home desktop usage.. the market (units sold per pc) are twisted by retailer lockin. Until friday I had over 70 working computers in myn house.. guess what.. no windoze heap amongst them.... and I haven't bought a pc or operating system since windows 3.1
speechless, absolutely speechless.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Even the oldest computers are useful for something, a NAS or steaming server hell even a dynamics's Machine. people are to quick to throw away there stuff.
So whats a 25MHz, 12MB RAM, 3 1/2 and 5.25 floppy's, 150MB HD, Windows 3.1 good for? Lol.
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Originally posted by varnull:
want to know a secret?.. I don't give a toss what a beta or an rc candidate includes or doesn't.. at the end of the day they will sell you the same old crap dressed up to look pretty..
even xp spends more time painting pretty pictures of application icons than actually doing what you want it to.. junk..
wait for the full retail release.. It comes from on high.. fista was to test the resolve of retailers and worldwide governments with the anti-trust.. round1 to M$.. round 2 to FOSS.. because we all remember sco and cbm..
to the idiot.. M$ now have less that a 50% share of the home desktop usage.. the market (units sold per pc) are twisted by retailer lockin. Until friday I had over 70 working computers in myn house.. guess what.. no windoze heap amongst them.... and I haven't bought a pc or operating system since windows 3.1
speechless, absolutely speechless.
Well..... I've not bought a OS since 95.... theres was no need since the OEM stuff was as good as retail now MS tries to screw that up with limited installs or neutered versions of coarse since its all on the net and I own a version of it "upgrading" it is rather easy.
The more you try and control a market the further it will get from you.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Even the oldest computers are useful for something, a NAS or steaming server hell even a dynamics's Machine. people are to quick to throw away there stuff.
So whats a 25MHz, 12MB RAM, 3 1/2 and 5.25 floppy's, 150MB HD, Windows 3.1 good for? Lol.
Skifree. love that game
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