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BURNER FOR XBOX 360 GAMES
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T_F_7
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4. May 2009 @ 14:50 |
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Hi.
I have problems with burning X360 games. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't. I use ImgBurn 2.3.2.0 and have a SONY OPTIARC DVD RW AD-7170A.
I don't know if the problem is my burner or my pc. I assume it is the burner, but I'm not sure. Please help me with that, is the Sony Optiarc inappropriate???
In the case it is I'll have to buy another burner. Which one is the best for burning X360 games???
Which one is the best for making X360 backups??? Is there a burner that can do backups without flashing it with new firmware???
Thank You in advance.
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4. May 2009 @ 15:02 |
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What brand of media are you using?
How fast do you burn?
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T_F_7
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4. May 2009 @ 15:09 |
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VERBATIM DVD+R DL, speed 2.4x, layerbreak 1913760.
Usually an error appears on half way of burning when it is still on layer 0.
I tried 2.4x, 2x and 1x speed but it goes always at 2.4x, seems 2x and 1x are not supported.
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Donaldo
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4. May 2009 @ 17:27 |
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a lot of people are partial to pioneer burners... you could prob get one pretty cheap nowadays
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T_F_7
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4. May 2009 @ 17:41 |
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Originally posted by Donaldo:
a lot of people are partial to pioneer burners... you could prob get one pretty cheap nowadays
which pioneer model would you suggest???
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4. May 2009 @ 22:33 |
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My old burner was a Pioneer but it was from 2003 and the 360 wasn't reading my burned games. I ordered a new LG GH22LP20 from Amazon for around $30 and got it in 2 days (standard shipping). Now all my games work flawlessly. Just a suggestion :)
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4. May 2009 @ 23:06 |
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I purchase a Phillips-BenQ DW1640 in 2005, I've been able to backup all my games with no problem at all. I love this drive.
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5. May 2009 @ 04:43 |
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Originally posted by T_F_7:
I tried 2.4x, 2x and 1x speed but it goes always at 2.4x, seems 2x and 1x are not supported.
Why do you guys always try to burn Verbatims that get the best results at a speed of 8x so slow?
Try burning faster instead of slower and see what happens.
By the way, one of the best burners for Xbox backups is said to be Pioneer DVR-112D. I needed one anyway so I bought that one.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
PS3: Untouched 160 GB Slim, 60 GB Fat with latest Rogero and 160 GB internal harddrive.
PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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Donaldo
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5. May 2009 @ 04:57 |
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Originally posted by Eisherz:
Why do you guys always try to burn Verbatims that get the best results at a speed of 8x so slow?
2.4x is pretty much universally agreed upon as the optimal burn speed... i know i've burned all my backups at 2.4x and never had a problem.
if you can burn at 8x without trouble then so be it... but for the majority of people 2.4x is the way to go
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5. May 2009 @ 05:18 |
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Originally posted by Donaldo:
Originally posted by Eisherz:
Why do you guys always try to burn Verbatims that get the best results at a speed of 8x so slow?
2.4x is pretty much universally agreed upon as the optimal burn speed... i know i've burned all my backups at 2.4x and never had a problem.
if you can burn at 8x without trouble then so be it... but for the majority of people 2.4x is the way to go
There were actually some guys who tested this with Nero CD DVD speedtest. Their tests gave the results I am talking about, there were less errors on the media when burned with 8x than with lower speed. Wish I could still find the link, it was in an amazon review.
By the way, T F 7, when you are from the UK, amazon offers the Pioneer DVR-115d for 24.39 Pound.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
PS3: Untouched 160 GB Slim, 60 GB Fat with latest Rogero and 160 GB internal harddrive.
PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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T_F_7
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5. May 2009 @ 07:24 |
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I'm not from UK.
I found these in my country:
- Pioneer DVR-116DBK and DVR-116D
- Pioneer DVR-216DBK and DVR-216BK
All for around 27-28€. I assume that the letters BK stays for black, not sure about DBK and BK.
Are these ok??? Which of the two is better???
I find it strange that my Sony Optiarc burns everything perfectly, but Dual Layers. Is it possible that is broken only for DL??? Shall I try to clean it with a CD-cleaner???
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5. May 2009 @ 12:57 |
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Update ImgBurn to the latest version. That almost certainly is not the cause of your problem, but you should do it anyway. Also, do you have the latest firmware installed on the DVD writer? The latest firmware for that writer is 1.05. Sometimes a firmware update can fix issues with particular media.
I agree with Eisherz about burn speed too. 2.4X is only "universally agreed" upon because most people just believe what they read on forums, not because they have any hard evidence that shows 2.4X is the best. With my burners (both Sony Optiarc, an AD-7200S and an AD-7240S) I get the best results at 8X with Verbatim MKM-003 8X rated media. It's worth trying burns at different speeds and doing a scan, because the optimal burn speed depends on the drive (and drive firmware) and the media, but assuming slower is always better is just plain wrong.
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T_F_7
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5. May 2009 @ 15:04 |
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5. May 2009 @ 17:41 |
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Firmware 1.05 is here: -
http://www.sony-optiarc.eu/supportservic...cs/ad7170a.html
The supported media list shows both Verbatim MKM-003 8X and the older MKM-001 2.4X discs.
If you want to get an idea of the quality of the burns you're getting with the new firmware, put the burned game disc in the drive, then download Nero CD-DVD speed here: -
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/download.html
Run it and click on the Disc Quality tab, check all of the boxes on the right apart from Quick scan, set the speed to 4X in the drop-down list and hit Start. It'll take a while to complete, but once it's done, post a screenshot of the results.
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T_F_7
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6. May 2009 @ 09:52 |
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ok, I updated to 1.05.
... and I did the test for 2 games, one burnt with my burner (SS4) and the other one burnt with a friend's burner (GTA4):
SS4:Quote:
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.04
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 879
average: 105.09
sum(together): 3140463
PI failures
Maximum: 101
average: 0.46
sum(together): 109287
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
Time spent: 29:55
number of samples: 29884
average interval of checkinhg: 8.00 ECC
troubles removed: 2
GTA4:Quote:
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.04
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 1365
average: 84.71
sum(together): 2531598
PI failures
Maximum: 223
average: 0.66
sum(together): 156796
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
time spent: 29:52
number of samples: 29884
average interval of checking: 8.00 ECC
troubles removed: 1
I can't change the program language to english, so I translated the important things. I did it before updating to firmware 1.05. In the beginning I had 1.02 then yesterday I updated to 1.04 and today to 1.05.
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T_F_7
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6. May 2009 @ 13:03 |
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After updating to 1.05 I successfully burnt another game, here are the results:
GF2:
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.05
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 610
average: 75.50
sum: 2256240
PI failures
Maximum: 68
average: 0.13
sum: 32273
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
time spent: 29:52
number of samples: 29873
average interval of checking: 8.00 ECC
troubles removed: 2
Still don't know what to do with these results...
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6. May 2009 @ 21:09 |
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Those burns are awful. What speed were the discs burned at? If you're using 8X rated media, sometimes forcing really slow burns will give you terrible results like that. It could just be that you need a new drive of course as your Optiarc burner is quite old now and the firmware hasn't been updated in a while. It should give better results than that with Verbatim discs though, so try an 8X burn and see how that scans.
Just for info, the PIE maximum shouldn't exceed 280 and the PIF maximum shouldn't exceed 32. A single high spike can usually be ignored though. Your best burn gave PIE max of 610 and PIF max of 68, which is pretty much a coaster, although updating the firmware to 1.05 has improved things over the other burn - it's still far from acceptable though. I've just scanned one of my burns using the same Verbatim media burned at 8X on an Optiarc AD-7240S and I get max PIE of 12 and max PIF of 4.
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T_F_7
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7. May 2009 @ 06:50 |
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uff my burner really sucks!
I used verbatims and burned at 2.4x, I'll try to burn at 8x and I'll post the results.
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T_F_7
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7. May 2009 @ 09:09 |
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burned on verbatim dvd+r dl at 8x speed:
DOAX2 patched: ;)
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.05
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 217
average: 31.67
sum: 946419
PI failures
maximum: 59
average: 0.02
sum: 5260
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
time spent: 29:51
number of samples: 29881
average interval of checking: 8.00 ECC
troubles removed: 2
probably less errores because the game is only 3,26Gb before unrar.
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7. May 2009 @ 10:42 |
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Can you scan that last disc again and post a screenshot of the graph?
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PI errors
Maximum: 217
average: 31.67
sum: 946419
PI failures
maximum: 59
average: 0.02
sum: 5260
The maximum PI failures are still well above what's acceptable, but if you look at the averages for the PIEs and PIFs, they're fine, so it suggests that you're getting error spikes, rather than high errors consistently throughout the disc. That means you're likely to get burns that work, but they're going to be prone to crashing as the laser hits the part of the disc where the errors and failures are high.
Ultimately though, you've tried updating the firmware and you've tried burns at different speeds and none of them are acceptable (based on what you've posted - screenshots of the graph will show a fuller picture of what's going on), so getting a new burner is going to be your best option I think.
The Pioneer drives you listed are a good choice. The 216 is a SATA drive and the 116 is PATA, so if you buy one, make sure you get the right one for your PC. Also, check for new firmware for it before you start burning any discs (1.09 is the latest for those drives at the time of writing this).
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T_F_7
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7. May 2009 @ 11:09 |
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Thanks man!
It seems I have PATA...
I assume that all the Pioneers they're selling in the shops at present are excellent for X360 burning, don't think it is possible to know which model is better. Someone correct my if I'm wrong!
Thank You Again!
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T_F_7
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11. May 2009 @ 11:30 |
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this game was burned on a friend's laptop:
PES09:
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.05
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 242
average: 42.27
sum: 1221052
PI failures
Maximum: 29
average: 0.14
sum: 31404
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
time spent: 28:20
number of samples: 28885
average interval of checking: 8.00 ECC
troubles removed: 7
I see this is a quality burn comparing the previous ones.
Anyway I ordered today a PIONEER DVR-116D for a reasonable price of 26€. Hope I won't have any more troubles, I read about people complaining about DVR-216D, hopefully the DVR-116D won't cause these problems.
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T_F_7
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15. May 2009 @ 06:11 |
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I bought a new burner, the PIONEER DVR-116Dbk (same as 116D).
I updated the firmware to 1.09.
And burned a game which I burned with the old Sony Optiarc, too.
I tried to do the quality test, but it says that the burner does not support the test, so I had to do the test with the old Optiarc.
The results are not so good as they should be.
I'm so disappointed, the results should be perfect! Can someone tell me why they aren't???
GF2 (with Pioneer):
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Pogon: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A
Strojna programska oprema: 1.05
Tip diska:: DVD+R DL (MKM 003)
selected speed: 5 X
PI errors
Maximum: 927
average: 105.05
sum: 3139272
PI failures
Maximum: 19
average: 0.02
sum: 5387
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Statistika pregleda
time spent: 29:53
no of samples: 29857
average checking interval: 8.01 ECC
troubles removed: 3
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