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Windows 7 is anti-competitive, says Opera, Firefox
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article published on 7 May, 2009
Both Mozilla and Opera have now criticized Microsoft over the upcoming Windows 7 operating system, claiming there are a few settings that make the OS anti-competitive.
The browser companies say that users who "opt to upgrade to Windows 7 from Vista rather than install fresh are given an "express" option that automatically reverts the default browser to Internet Explorer even if Firefox, ... [ read the full article ]
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7. May 2009 @ 21:51 |
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I'm not surprised. This is BS but I know no one is going to complain, because 90% of the Windows user base is completely blind, doesn't care, or will 'workaround' which means if they hit Express or whatever, they will manually reset their browser, so-called 'power users'.
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7. May 2009 @ 21:55 |
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Nice trolling tatsh, 8/10
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fgamer
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7. May 2009 @ 22:13 |
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OK, need I remind you complainers and whiners like Mozilla and Opera that this OS is made by Microsoft. Let them do whatever they wan't with it. The customers of course have the choice to purchase a copy of Windows 7 or not...it's the simple for the love of god. If I was making my own Operating System you better be damn sure I'd put my product as priority over all others.
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Amak
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7. May 2009 @ 23:05 |
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If only it were that simple, fgamer. Too bad many are scared to venture beyond IE and try something new (and better)
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xnonsuchx
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7. May 2009 @ 23:35 |
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I'm all for Firefox over IE, but I think this complaint is a little overboard. It's kinda standard when installing a major OS upgrade over an earlier version to reset some settings back to OS defaults to avoid possible complications. Of course, I would never install an UPGRADE version of Windows over an old one anyway...CLEAN INSTALL only for me, thanks!
Anyway, most people using Firefox probably purposely installed it and set it as the default anyway, so I think most users will be able to revert back to Firefox, even as ignorant as most are.
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8. May 2009 @ 00:02 |
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Firefox is my standard browser as well, but if a person is too stupid or lazy to install it, then that should not be Microsoft;s fault.
The only problems I can understand, although I disagree with the concept that MS is wrong for monopolizing since it is their product (if you like it, buy it; otherwise shut up and use something else), is when a company restricts a user from using a competitor's product. This is not the case. There are many browsers a person can use and there are many media players a person can use. If you do not like the default by Microsoft, install your own. Oh no, not effort . . .
This is not the case. It's like suing McDonald's for only serving Coke products or Taco Bell for only serving Pepsi products. Guess what? They have deals. If you have a better one and can make them more money, they will hop on board fast.
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8. May 2009 @ 00:23 |
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This is total BS...Windows 7 is the first Microsoft operating system since windows 98OSR1 that allows you to uninstall internet explorer. Yes, it comes with internet explorer 8, but can you imagine the uproar if Windows did not come with Internet Explorer? They might as well complain that it comes with a file explorer, clock, and disk management tools.
Granted, the improvements to media center might make other media center apps obsolite (I have stopped using MediaPortal in favor of the new Windows 7 Media Center App). Other improvements will probably make other after market applications worthless, even if they are free...but this is a good thing. It means that microsoft is finaly writing software that is better (or at least as good) as what you can get for free!
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EricCarr
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8. May 2009 @ 02:13 |
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If M$ had their way, Firefox or Opera would not be able to install on Widows 7. If you are to lazy to download and install it again. You should stay with the crappy IE.
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8. May 2009 @ 06:07 |
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Originally posted by EricCarr:
If M$ had their way, Firefox or Opera would not be able to install on Widows 7.
That's just not true. I am usualy the first to rip M$ a new one, but this is just insane. The fact is that Windows is compatable with more 3rd party software than any other operating system, including Linux. This is their main strength since Linux got a GUI, and they would not risk loosing this. The fact is that the last thing they want is more software that only runs on Linux.
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8. May 2009 @ 06:47 |
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(Like in any other OS) i don't see the issue. I tend to use Opera as my main browser, sometimes Firefox (and in Linux i use a load of different browsers, but i digress). I've still got IE8 on here (W7 RC1) and i even installed Google Chrome just to see what the fuss was all about. But Opera works perfectly so i stick with that. I've certainly not had any problems (yet) with Opera being ousted from being the main browser. Even if it did happen, i'd either put Opera back as main, and/or find a workaround on the net to stop it happening. Simple.
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8. May 2009 @ 07:19 |
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Whoa guys. While it's always nice to appreciate some nerd enthusiasm, some of you need to take a step back.
I know in the internet world, browser market share is something to lose sleep about. And I know in that setting it seems like this is a huge ordeal and "90% of the Windows user base is completely blind". But the simple fact is to 95% of the people out there using the internet, the browser they use really doesn't matter at all. For the majority of browsers out there, they could get by viewing the web on a cell phone. They don't want or need any of the benefits of Firefox, and from my experience trying to force them into these features only scares them even further into IE. For those of us who do want/need the features of Firefox, we all know about it and that's why we use it. IE is a better than average browser that's entirely capable for the rest of the folks. If people want more they can find it on their own.
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8. May 2009 @ 07:35 |
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i totally agree that average user are not aware of to modify settings , anyway who wants to use IE it is totally garbage , day i started to use firefox i will never revert to IE
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8. May 2009 @ 07:47 |
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Windows Xp is all I need, MS just dont get it.
if its not broke dont fix it...
windows 7 is a Inbread of Vista..
Lets see what happens with Win 7 ?
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8. May 2009 @ 08:49 |
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Ok Whats the big deal, i use firefox and i just upgrated to win 7 is not like you have to alot of work to revert Firefox to be the default browser, to honest, explorer 8 is far more faster than firefox, i keep firefox because there are settings on firefox that IE doesn't support if not i will switch entirely, and after reading how big Babies Firefox and opera are i think i might go IE entirely.
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8. May 2009 @ 09:00 |
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can the argument not also be turned around and fired back at firefox ect? they wanting preference in someone elses work? this is great o no this is great i think its simple case of what your used too but competition is good means we not all hearded like bunch of cattle to there approved big paying punters sites, but if you can switch on easy to change default browsers and if you realy stupid just uninstall browser you want to use then reinstall and will ask if you want to set as default browser or even better---
why dont the moaners release an update of there browsers straight after that asks to be set to default straight after end of fuss,,,again bunch of money grabbing ratbags trying to rouse us rable to help line there pockets end of day i still prefer xp especially for a lot of programers i need to use......
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8. May 2009 @ 09:14 |
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M$ is betting on a large portion of the persons the buy their product will be morons. I think that is a solid bet. I am not going to lose sleep over the fact that not everyone that buys 7 has the brains enough to install a browser they like to use.
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bomber991
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8. May 2009 @ 10:07 |
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Guys, this is bad. Real bad. I'm reading all these comments and basically what everyone is saying is this, "Hey Microsoft, let me bend over, grab my ankles, and think of a happy place while you make everyone try out your new IE8."
It's easy to see why Opera and FF are worried. If they've only got about 10% market share to begin with, and all 10% automatically gets switched over to IE8, there's a good chance their market share could drop to 8 or 7%. I mean, not everyone using firefox or opera is using it because they know how superior it is. Us nerds have some normal friends and we talk them into using alternative browsers. They don't know how to install it so we help them do it. They like it better and such. Then they upgrade to windows7 doing express mode since custom mode is only meant for computer experts. They click the internet button and IE8 pops up. It kind of looks the same as opera and FF, so they just assume it is Opera of FF and that it looks different for the new windows7, and that's it. They don't know where to go or how to install an alternative browser.
Now going from 10% to 7%, that's a 30% drop in users of your product if you're FF or Opera. Can't you guys see why they don't like this? And remember if it wasn't for FF and Opera, we'd still be using IE6. STILL!!!! THE HORROR!!!!
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8. May 2009 @ 10:35 |
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so basicaly what you saying is they will get 7% of the money instead of 10%, there all buisness that are private which beggers the question why should we care? realy? so others gotta earn there 10% if i was ms id be looking to stamp all over them and visa versa.
theres no argument just they trying to get bit of free advertising and news time to try probably increase there 10% as if you find your way to different browser before as windows does not come with anything else installed any way sure you will find way back again??? simple! or as i said earlier uninstall reinstall browser god its not rocket science and if you cant do that you cant work pc anyway.
another fantastic money generator and free reverse spin advertising with gloom and doom ms are taking over...o right 90% share must mean 90% are mugs? i disagree,,,i also find most browsers work fine same with ie
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SProdigy
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8. May 2009 @ 11:46 |
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
I'm all for Firefox over IE, but I think this complaint is a little overboard. It's kinda standard when installing a major OS upgrade over an earlier version to reset some settings back to OS defaults to avoid possible complications. Of course, I would never install an UPGRADE version of Windows over an old one anyway...CLEAN INSTALL only for me, thanks!
Anyway, most people using Firefox probably purposely installed it and set it as the default anyway, so I think most users will be able to revert back to Firefox, even as ignorant as most are.
100% agree with your post!
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SProdigy
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8. May 2009 @ 11:47 |
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Also funny, because if you "upgrade" Mac OSX, Safari is the default browser...
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8. May 2009 @ 11:53 |
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So as long as I can continue to use Firefox, VLC and other open-source software in Windows, I don't care. I don't even have Firefox set as my default browser since whenever someone wants to borrow my comp, they prefer to use IE anyway but I still use Firefox and it's of no hassle to me. Except when someone sends me a link on IM. I try to use open-source software as much as possible but there's no way I'm going to use Linux if I can't use all the software I need. In my classes, some of the required software will only run in Windows and if you are into PC gaming, you probably can't go without Windows.
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8. May 2009 @ 12:09 |
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IE 8 is not bad its a little slower because of security and phising
but IE 6 was the fastest, If you use a good security Suite like mcafee tottal protection or nortons 360 v2 you dont even need the updates and ofcoure a good router as a firewall I recomend the Dlink
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with 7 computers on my network I never had a bit of trouble running windows Xp, even when Comcast had problems and came out to fix it , they said they could not see past my modem, what kind of router are you using....and I dont allow ping to wan port or multicast, and I can join or host any game I want to. I run a desert combat server now and then no problems...........WrecK
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8. May 2009 @ 14:55 |
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If it can port over settings from oth4r non MS programs...then there is a problem as they conveniently forget to do it for browsers...
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8. May 2009 @ 16:35 |
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I read some of the responses and it changed what i was going to say originally. But i am happy i read those.
Here's what i think. Yes, MS is being a retard by doing this. If you're letting the user perform an upgrade rather than a complete installation of the (crappy) OS, why the heck would you change something the user hasn't asked for? It just shows how much they're scared of the world. Although, i think @fgamer is right. Wouldn't you like to publicize your own product with your new OS a bit? Maybe the user hasn't ever used the IE they are supplying and maybe(though i cant imagine this happening) he'll find it easier and better than Opera/Firefox. Of course that's just a rare possibility but it's still there.
However, its true that all non-IE users on Windows had to download the alternate browser they wanted first. So even now they won't give a damn about IE and simply set firefox opera or any other favorite back to the default browser its just that easy. Most browser have this check on startup for default or whatever option anyway.
When i have to work on a different computer for more than an hour or so, i always try to install firefox if its not there already. So frankly i dont care.
(@KillerBug I couldnt help but say this... what you have said is analogous to McDonalds selling some combo they want to with the burger have ordered instead of just the burger itself. It has happened to me before.)
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8. May 2009 @ 16:39 |
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Also funny, because if you "upgrade" Mac OSX, Safari is the default browser...
HAHA! Thats funny! Im not a Mac user so i didnt know that. But its funny. The whole world has fun pointing out only what MS does wrong. I have stopped using MS but i cant say i hate it. After all, Windows is what i have used for the major part of my life on computers. Its just that its been a lot easier with FOSS and i love freedom!
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