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Sony E3 summary: Motion control system, PSP Go! and Final Fantasy
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article published on 2 June, 2009
Following Microsoft's presentation yesterday, it was Sony's turn today to woo the crowd at the E3 Expo and for the most part they did.
First off was the announcement of the worst kept secret PSP Go! updated handheld. Kaz Hirai even made a joke that one of the company's nickname for the device was "The worst kept secret of E3."
As already leaked, the Go! strips the UMD drive and has ... [ read the full article ]
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3. June 2009 @ 18:30 |
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Originally posted by subpopz:
Motion control! Wow,, its nice to see Sony do something innovative for once.......oh wait, they only came up with this after Nintendo paved the way into the market.
Nintendo is good like that. Bash them all you want but they are a big innovator in the Video Game world. I saw XBOX's controllerless camera on some online videos and that looks interesting but I could have sworn Nintendo had something like this in the works well before Microsoft Announced it. Wonder if their will be a patent war.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
FF14=fail(mmo=fail) should call it FF11X2 cause it will suck twice as much unless its not restrictive and annoying to play.
PSP go= fail(at least they have the ball to let you buy digi games for your psp)
Eye toy=fail.
Motion sensing is over rated and very very VERY under utilized....
i enjoy FFXI it was meant to be played in a team,i find thats what sets it apart from the rest.plus with 3 expansions its a great MMO.
most people get turned away because of how slow it is.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
FF14=fail(mmo=fail) should call it FF11X2 cause it will suck twice as much unless its not restrictive and annoying to play.
PSP go= fail(at least they have the ball to let you buy digi games for your psp)
Eye toy=fail.
Motion sensing is over rated and very very VERY under utilized....
i enjoy FFXI it was meant to be played in a team,i find thats what sets it apart from the rest.plus with 3 expansions its a great MMO.
most people get turned away because of how slow it is.
Slow is not the word not only is it slow its restrictive to the point its not a game its a fcking JOB, if the equipment was not bland and useless and enemies got tougher when your we in a group it would not have been so bad...but good lord...devlieling and removing everythign you've gained...... IT SUCKS!!
If you want to use deleveling make it so it dose not effect your requirements or gained abilities, make it effect your stats so you are weaker when de levled but not fcking handicapped and retarded...
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3. June 2009 @ 19:10 |
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we all have are deferences i have deleveled quite a few times, and yes its the worse thing that happens but i wind up getting back what i lost in a few minutes.
i hope FFXIV adds new features, i mean who doesn't want an armored chocobo, another cool thing would be mounted battles.
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3. June 2009 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
we all have are deferences i have deleveled quite a few times, and yes its the worse thing that happens but i wind up getting back what i lost in a few minutes.
i hope FFXIV adds new features, i mean who doesn't want an armored chocobo, another cool thing would be mounted battles.
They should offer 10 hours a month free time. I mgiht could try it then but fck I will not pay for a job of game...even wow becomes grindy and pointless....
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3. June 2009 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Final Fantasy XIV Online, couldn't possibly be PS3 exclusive. unless you where looking to create the smallest mmo to date. SquareEnix isn't that dumb.
hell i still haven't achieved what i wanted to in FFXI and ive been on it for 5 years.
FFXIV is console exclusive to PS3 and available for PC too.
Anyway - Motion control really got me happy - something to counter the not-even-halfway-developed Natal. (the demo was fake.)
The whole PSP thing was just boring. It's great how they're trying to keep all 3 games consoles alive but the PS3 got a small share of E3.
Only Uncharted 2 and God of War 3's gameplay and the motion controller thing satisfied me.
The rest was stuff we either expected or was just boring.
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3. June 2009 @ 19:41 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Final Fantasy XIV Online, couldn't possibly be PS3 exclusive. unless you where looking to create the smallest mmo to date. SquareEnix isn't that dumb.
hell i still haven't achieved what i wanted to in FFXI and ive been on it for 5 years.
FFXIV is console exclusive to PS3 and available for PC too.
Anyway - Motion control really got me happy - something to counter the not-even-halfway-developed Natal. (the demo was fake.)
The whole PSP thing was just boring. It's great how they're trying to keep all 3 games consoles alive but the PS3 got a small share of E3.
Only Uncharted 2 and God of War 3's gameplay and the motion controller thing satisfied me.
The rest was stuff we either expected or was just boring.
the PC is also a platform there for i wouldn't exactly call it exclusive. exclusive maybe to the ps3 as a consoles
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Final Fantasy XIV Online, couldn't possibly be PS3 exclusive. unless you where looking to create the smallest mmo to date. SquareEnix isn't that dumb.
hell i still haven't achieved what i wanted to in FFXI and ive been on it for 5 years.
FFXIV is console exclusive to PS3 and available for PC too.
Anyway - Motion control really got me happy - something to counter the not-even-halfway-developed Natal. (the demo was fake.)
The whole PSP thing was just boring. It's great how they're trying to keep all 3 games consoles alive but the PS3 got a small share of E3.
Only Uncharted 2 and God of War 3's gameplay and the motion controller thing satisfied me.
The rest was stuff we either expected or was just boring.
the PC is also a platform there for i wouldn't exactly call it exclusive. exclusive maybe to the ps3 as a consoles
'FFXIV is console exclusive to PS3 and available for PC too.'
Were you agreeing with my statement or saying something else? I don't understand :|
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4. June 2009 @ 08:23 |
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I'm still stoked for PSP Go! this October. I really like the digital format.
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4. June 2009 @ 12:23 |
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Another Final Fantasy MMORPG? Boo-urns. I hate MMORPGs. Not all of them are the same but they are generally grindfests, whether it be grinding for levels, skills or doing item runs and raids. I play video games to have fun and MMORPGs are like work, not fun. Not to mention that MMORPG communities are generally filled with a lot of people who are jerks and/or take the game too seriously. My MMORPG addict friend will go berzerk if his party members suck at doing raids in WoW. Like geez, it's just a freakin game man. I never once complained ever in a game if my team mates online screwed up. I don't take games that seriously. When I'm playing co-op with people I know in real life, I'll be more vocal but I'm not gonna get my panties in a twist. The horrible social aspect in MMORPGs is one of the main reasons why I'll always prefer single-player RPGs. At least if you play games online in Xbox Live, PSN, Steam or whatever, you can just avoid co-op if you don't want to deal with jerk team mates. But in most MMORPGs, you are pretty much forced to play co-op instead of just solo and PvP.
But if you enjoy that type of game and you don't act like a jerk online to other players, I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
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4. June 2009 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by inagasake:
I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
This needs to be implemented into some people's minds.
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4. June 2009 @ 17:49 |
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I'm still not sold on any motion control input device. Seriously, how many hard-core gamers really want to be jumping around the living room, flayling about like a fool? The Wii is great for those with families wanting to do some game relating activity with the kids, and i think the games on offer reflect this, but i'd hate to see either next gen gamers' console go solely down that route and reduce their offerings for serious gaming / multimedia fans.
Just the opinions of a bloke with no kids, not necessarily "fan boy" comments. I've seen my mates interacting with their kids on the Wii and having a great time, its just not for me.
That said, it if gets more PS3s / xBox360s sold is it a bad thing? I don't know. We will have to see what comes to the market and what direction Sony / Microsoft take.
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Originally posted by inagasake:
I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
This needs to be implemented into some people's minds.
This is the start of the slippery slope, when good enough is good enough it means as long as its sales its good enough because consumers are sheep that can easily buy into anything because they can not hold out for better.......
Crap in crap out.....its endless and monolithic...
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5. June 2009 @ 11:40 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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Originally posted by inagasake:
I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
This needs to be implemented into some people's minds.
This is the start of the slippery slope, when good enough is good enough it means as long as its sales its good enough because consumers are sheep that can easily buy into anything because they can not hold out for better.......
Crap in crap out.....its endless and monolithic...
Inagaske, Zippy is way too focused on not having fun, being negative, and then uses the "everyone is a sheep" excuse to try to make people feel stupid. I am shocked that varnull hasn't stop by yet to make this another anti-sony/consumer thread.
Back to the point, Sony and Microsoft are finally trying to do what the Wii should have done, just with two different methods. Watching the Sony presentation on the 1 to 1 motion control makes me want a gladiator game right now. Imagine fun that would be.
These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.
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5. June 2009 @ 13:32 |
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It seems to me that there may be an entire new market which craves motion control technology which might not be into hand-cramping action games. Is it so hard to accept that different people want differen things from their gaming experience?
Is there not room for everyone?
Or, are the fears being expressed just the fear that their favorite game may drop the controller versions of their game for the possibly more popular motion controler version?
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Originally posted by ikari:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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Originally posted by inagasake:
I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
This needs to be implemented into some people's minds.
This is the start of the slippery slope, when good enough is good enough it means as long as its sales its good enough because consumers are sheep that can easily buy into anything because they can not hold out for better.......
Crap in crap out.....its endless and monolithic...
Inagaske, Zippy is way too focused on not having fun, being negative, and then uses the "everyone is a sheep" excuse to try to make people feel stupid. I am shocked that varnull hasn't stop by yet to make this another anti-sony/consumer thread.
Back to the point, Sony and Microsoft are finally trying to do what the Wii should have done, just with two different methods. Watching the Sony presentation on the 1 to 1 motion control makes me want a gladiator game right now. Imagine fun that would be.
I'm amazed, simply amazed at the arrogance of other people. it really knows no bounds.
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Originally posted by ikari:
I am shocked that varnull hasn't stop by yet to make this another anti-sony/consumer thread.
I lol'd :P
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Just wanted to add this old video to the mix to show even more capabilities that the PS Eye can also do....this plus the motion control could make a pretty damned good FPS experience
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Originally posted by Oner:
Just wanted to add this old video to the mix to show even more capabilities that the PS Eye can also do....this plus the motion control could make a pretty damned good FPS experience
True, head-tracking to produce a 3D effect in FPS and such would be great, no... awesome!. As first demonstrated by Johnny Chung Lee of the Human-Computer Interaction Institute, Carnegie Mellon University using a Wii remote setup.
Another old video.
But personally I'd be happier with a head-positioning sensor incorporated into a something like the Emotiv EPOC neuralheadset- I mean, why go backwards with the tech? I'd rather just think commands myself (anyway the EPOC reacts to body/facial movement too if you want (and emotional states for that matter)).
I'm not interested in jumping about waving my arms like a minda for any length of time either.
In the same vein, why didn't Sony produce something that would compete with the iPhony? I might have bought that. As it is... humbug.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by ikari:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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Originally posted by inagasake:
I'm not gonna rain on your parade. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.
This needs to be implemented into some people's minds.
This is the start of the slippery slope, when good enough is good enough it means as long as its sales its good enough because consumers are sheep that can easily buy into anything because they can not hold out for better.......
Crap in crap out.....its endless and monolithic...
Inagaske, Zippy is way too focused on not having fun, being negative, and then uses the "everyone is a sheep" excuse to try to make people feel stupid. I am shocked that varnull hasn't stop by yet to make this another anti-sony/consumer thread.
Back to the point, Sony and Microsoft are finally trying to do what the Wii should have done, just with two different methods. Watching the Sony presentation on the 1 to 1 motion control makes me want a gladiator game right now. Imagine fun that would be.
I'm amazed, simply amazed at the arrogance of other people. it really knows no bounds.
Well... the fact is..... everyone is sheep, the great masses are simplistic fools who are happy 7 times out of 10 with any slop they are given to purchase, while everyone else is grouped into the black sheeple category where the inane elitists,haters and people who just want higher averages for qaulity(me) and cannibals(funny how wolves and black sheep are under the same category...that tells you how sad humans are).
Now on to fun you are a huge fan of FF11(or other blatantly poorly made or unfinished games)....I would stipulate you don't know what fun is...or perhaps you can make anything fun which is a blessing as much as it is a cruse because you are happy keeping yourself entertained much like nero did whuile the world burned around im.........
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Its not going backwards with tech motion sentencing has not even hit pucrty in the video game industry and you want to dismiss it already....
Plus until you put LCD screens on the headset its going to be MOOT because unless you have a 50foot screen 5+ feet in front of you you wont be able to see sht, because your tilting your view away from the screen.
I would hardly call the eye toy anything but a gimmick it requires much to much to make it work, bands on the wrists/ankles would be much more precise and easy to use than 2 or 3 cameras you have to setup yourself..
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Just wanted to add this old video to the mix to show even more capabilities that the PS Eye can also do....this plus the motion control could make a pretty damned good FPS experience
True, head-tracking to produce a 3D effect in FPS and such would be great, no... awesome!. As first demonstrated by Johnny Chung Lee of the Human-Computer Interaction Institute, Carnegie Mellon University using a Wii remote setup.
Another old video.
If I am not mistaken Mr. Lee worked on both the Wii's IR and the PS Eye at the same time to show it was possible on both. What I like about the video that I linked to is how there was no additional hardware (IR sensors) needed on your head for tracking, the PS3 just tracked your face via facial recognition.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Just wanted to add this old video to the mix to show even more capabilities that the PS Eye can also do....this plus the motion control could make a pretty damned good FPS experience
True, head-tracking to produce a 3D effect in FPS and such would be great, no... awesome!. As first demonstrated by Johnny Chung Lee of the Human-Computer Interaction Institute, Carnegie Mellon University using a Wii remote setup.
Another old video.
If I am not mistaken Mr. Lee worked on both the Wii's IR and the PS Eye at the same time to show it was possible on both. What I like about the video that I linked to is how there was no additional hardware (IR sensors) needed on your head for tracking, the PS3 just tracked your face via facial recognition.
Oh man one for head movement one for gun movement and set the ai to dodge when the view is dead on it so you kinda have to look away to line up perfect shots...now that could be awesome... :X
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Jemborg
Its not going backwards with tech motion sentencing has not even hit pucrty in the video game industry and you want to dismiss it already....
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Plus until you put LCD screens on the headset its going to be MOOT because unless you have a 50foot screen 5+ feet in front of you you wont be able to see sht, because your tilting your view away from the screen.
Tsk, and all I gots is a 50" plasma. You obviously didn't follow the youtube link I posted Zip the 3d effect looks amazing even on a smallish screen- at least I think that's what you're referring to.
Anyway, BCI trumps "motion sentencing" even if it is still in "pucrty" (whatever that is). C'on you didn't even know it was out there (in a few months).
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Tsk, and all I gots is a 50" plasma. You obviously didn't follow the youtube link I posted Zip the 3d effect looks amazing even on a smallish screen- at least I think that's what you're referring to.
The reason it wont work is you need a large screen and be set far away from it, if you had a small screen you'd get space and viewing issues(even the normal wii stuff sucks if you are not 3+ feet away from it). Its to cumbersome for a mainstream.
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Anyway, BCI trumps "motion sentencing" even if it is still in "pucrty" (whatever that is). C'on you didn't even know it was out there (in a few months).
Puberty..... and wont work.
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Now if they have a setup where you have 1 location sensor and 2-5 wireless movement sensors(wrists,ankles,head,controllers,ect) you would have a more precise system, just moving the screen with your head while controlling the rest of it with a standard controller is doing nothing put walking backward innovation wise, and look+shoot is kinda dumb I prefer to aim.
Also the whole IR setup for the WII is one of its weak points...why in the hell did they not use a proper wireless setup why and in the hell did they use IR.... no wonder it feels like its cutting its teeth....
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6. June 2009 @ 18:14 |
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"...won't work". Zip, the Emotiv EPOC neuralheadset for PCs is on sale in a few months- get over yourself.
You insist that the 3d effect doesn't work- and it already obviously does. And you've said that BCI devices are 10+ years away, won't work with existing games and apps... and you're wrong about that too. You really display some outstanding wilful ignorance here. How seriously can anybody take your opinions?
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