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The Pirate Bay tracker to shut down
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article published on 30 June, 2009
As we reported earlier today, The Pirate Bay is being sold to another Swedish company Global Gaming Factory X (GGF). The publicly listed software company stated that the acquisition will have an effect on the business model of The Pirate Bay which has been known to be the most popular BitTorrent site on the Internet. In addition to these changes some less expected changes are going to happen too.
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30. June 2009 @ 09:34 |
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Interesting to see who will run the "third party company" that'll eventually host the trackers.. Who is going to be brave enough to take such task..
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30. June 2009 @ 09:54 |
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Well this is bloody stupid. All these years fighting the law, the bay just gets bought out and goes legit overnight. Very stupid.
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30. June 2009 @ 10:34 |
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Peter Sunde goes from hero to coward...It's a shame
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30. June 2009 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by BurningAs:
Well this is bloody stupid. All these years fighting the law, the bay just gets bought out and goes legit overnight. Very stupid.
Frigging eh man, ridiculous. From the way it sounds it looks like they're going to turn it into a subscription newsgroup or something along those lines.
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SgtDavis
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30. June 2009 @ 11:32 |
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This has always been the problem with pirates: without fail, they always have a price. I wonder who's next?
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30. June 2009 @ 11:34 |
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They can call it:
The Sellout Bay
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Interestx
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30. June 2009 @ 12:38 |
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Of course it's sad and of course if they could have found another way they most probably wouldn't be doing this.
But.
The day someone hits you with a $3+ million fine and you see no way out as the legal appeals process in your country has been leant on so heavily that they end up not caring about obvious conflicts of interest come and talk to the rest of us about those "sell out" claims then.
Personally I think it's hilarious.
The Pirate Bay founders sell off their stuff for a hell of a lot of cash
(more than they were fined and with luck more than their legal costs)
and the new company will watch their new venture turn to sh*t overnight as everyone abandons it and refuses to go for the new pay-site BS.
Smart move.
I'm looking forward to the 10 new TPB replacements that spring up in its place.
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30. June 2009 @ 13:34 |
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@Interestx
it doesn't matter whether you agree with them or not. The fact that they were the ones who got all preachy and operated in the name of freedom (which ironically has been the basis or many wars) should tell you that; now that they've sold their assets to a company which is going to make it a subscription based site mean they have 'sold out'.
Honestly I use TPB but i'm not a rampant pirate. I buy much of my music, games and movies legitimately, far more than any piracy I engage in. I know that a million and one sites will be there to replace them in no time.
Face it they did it for the money these guys are no martyrs they sold out simple. I'm not angry with them this is a world of sell outs.
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cart0181
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30. June 2009 @ 14:15 |
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Maybe they can call it the Pheonix Bay, after their former logo.
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patron
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30. June 2009 @ 14:40 |
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every man has his price, this is fact.
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scorpNZ
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30. June 2009 @ 14:41 |
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It's just business & how many of you jealous whingers would turn down the money offered.....thought as much..nough said
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Interestx
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30. June 2009 @ 14:50 |
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Well, if you want to call it "preachy" then go ahead. I guess it can't be helped.
There are more than a few who would just call it them being honest and stating their case.
The honest fact is that copyright law in the guise that the music and movie companies want it now is insane, there's nothing "preachy" about pointing that out, especially when you are under a prolonged & sustained attack because of your POV
(a long and drawn out attack that was to the tune of several million $, don't forget).
What's up with having a credible and logical ethic behind your position?
Were they Saints?
Obviously not.
Should they have not made a penny from their activities?
I don't see why not, clearly they were not making huge fortunes from what they did, given the likely costs of what they did.
In stark contrast to the leaches and thieves in the so-called 'legitimate' end of the business
(as literally hundreds of 'artist' v record company/agent etc etc Court cases over the decades around the globe proves)
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30. June 2009 @ 15:32 |
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Look i'm not saying that they shouldn't have made any money. But the fact still remains that they did bail and i'm fully aware of the circumstances surrounding this whole situation.
I'm not say that the fact that they sold the company is all bad at the same time (because i agree that modern media companies are absolute criminals) it can be argued that two wrongs don't make a right.
In addition it might make people wonder if the new owners will in turn give out info on TPB users to regulatory bodies (Govt orgs, MPAA, RIAA ect.)
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30. June 2009 @ 16:14 |
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Originally posted by xyqo:
In addition it might make people wonder if the new owners will in turn give out info on TPB users to regulatory bodies (Govt orgs, MPAA, RIAA ect.)
That's a fair point but I think we'll know soon enough what happened there.
My bet is that they did one of 2 things.
Either they wiped all records on the point of sale or they allowed log-in details to remain (for advertsing purposes) but wiped any history details (assuming they even collected those).
I can see no good reason why they would provide the sort of details to this Swedish private company that would be of any use or relevance to the MPAA or RIAA nor why that Swedish provate company would provide them to the MPAA & RIAA.
It would come out eventually anyways and be the absolute kiss of death to them.
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joe777
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30. June 2009 @ 17:59 |
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Some folks are not happy and the site suffered a DDoS attack today and rumour has it that the army is surrounding and the attacks will resume tomorrow. Between that and a mass exodus from the site I dont think the userbase will be worth alot by the end of the week.
But aside from that I personally dont think we are hearing all of the story. But time will tell eh!!!
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30. June 2009 @ 23:21 |
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paysite bullsh*t. do they really think we would go for that, theres a dozen sites already up. there just waiting for this to happened so they can gain popularity. my guess is that mininova will take the lead. demonoid will probably recluse up and stay more private like they usually do
(witch is what makes that site so awesome)
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1. July 2009 @ 09:15 |
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1. July 2009 @ 13:50 |
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I think this is pretty pathetic too...
But, a couple of points.
$7.7 Mil is chump change. They WAY undersold. The Software, Music and Movie industries spend that on coffee in the morning every day. They are laughing.
We all know that the new company will fail. That's a given. There is no way that the current userbase will want anything whatsoever to do with any kind of paysite or site which limits offerings only to what they deem "legal".
I believe that they do not care. They have slain the dragon and for a mere $7.7 Mil... LOL what a paltry sum. I still cannot believe that.
MiniNova will be the clear winner, but they will fail as well. I don't know why others don't like MiniNova, but I don't like it because it's just plain slow. I don't see that changing at all if the TPB userbase flocks to there. I bet Mininova crashes for weeks after the changeover!
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sobranie
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2. July 2009 @ 08:24 |
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How exactly do companies such as demonoid, pirate bay etc make their millions. There doesn't seem to be an excess of advertising on some of these sites so from whence comes the cash?
Member donations maybe??
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2. July 2009 @ 09:19 |
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Most of you talk pretty tough as long as your head is not on the chopping block. 9 out of 10 of you would soil their paints if you were in their shoes.
They did not go to jail, they paid off their legal fees and are left with stock that may have some value. That was the smart thing to do.
sobranie, they don't. They had a project to raise 10 mil and buy an island that was not part of any country and move off shore. They couldn't raise 2 mil. Had all the big tough talkers put some money where their mouth is they would have been out of jurisdiction. Why would they go to jail for a buch of cry babies?
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2. July 2009 @ 10:24 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
Most of you talk pretty tough as long as your head is not on the chopping block. 9 out of 10 of you would soil their paints if you were in their shoes.
They did not go to jail, they paid off their legal fees and are left with stock that may have some value. That was the smart thing to do.
sobranie, they don't. They had a project to raise 10 mil and buy an island that was not part of any country and move off shore. They couldn't raise 2 mil. Had all the big tough talkers put some money where their mouth is they would have been out of jurisdiction. Why would they go to jail for a buch of cry babies?
I agree with Mez 100%. Calling TPB cowards and sellouts? Really? Do you internet rebels think that you would last as much as they have to this point? How exactly is selling your business that you've put years of hard work into just to not go to jail "selling out"? I guarantee you nerds wouldn't do anything different.
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2. July 2009 @ 11:26 |
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Principles have a price.. these guys have paid it. For years they have fought our battles for freedom of information. To the victors the spoils.. and to the losers at least allow them some dignity in defeat. All those years of work and fighting for a principle.. only to be taken down with lies and corruption.. but the losers never get to write history do they? It takes guts to stand up year in and year out and hold 2 fingers proudly aloft at the powers of big business and the corrupt governments it owns.. that's a fight none of us are brave enough to take to them on our own.. we have lost something this week.. Something precious that we will never see the like of again. The dissenting voices have been silenced.. the corrupt have won and will now try to silence all the smaller people taking the same stand.This is our chance to make sure what these guys did FOR US will not be forgotten.
Like rats leaving a sinking ship those of us who truly believe in the free sharing of information have run for safety.. but who can blame us? We don't have large sites which can pay for lawyers, so we have let the bay fight our battles for us, and we are eternally grateful to them for what they have done and the stance they have taken on our behalf. Millions of people have had their lives and opinions changed in ways most can only guess at.. our children are the ones who have truly lost.. Another nail driven in to the coffin of free information for the sake of wealth and power for the few.. because remember my friends.. information IS power. Take it away from us and we are powerless because we don't have the information to form an opinion or make a judgement.. it's more than a few copyrighted films isn't it?
Just because they salvaged what they could and surrendered.. is there any shame in that? NO.. the shame lies with us for allowing this to happen to our champions without a huge protest and outcry. We fought the "3 strikes rule" and got it thrown out.. by pressure of numbers and lobbying.. and in the end the threat of millions of votes going somewhere else. Now it is up to us to do our part.. throw these corrupt politicians and judges out.. while we still have enough democracy left to achieve that.
Thanks Peter and crew.. I for one recognise the great debt both financial and moral I owe you. Good luck with whatever ventures you take on next.. I guess we will be hearing from you sometime soon.. but first a holiday eh? *hugs*
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2. July 2009 @ 11:47 |
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This is a sad day for torrent users as yet another site has SOLD OUT....
they should re-name it "The Traitor Bay"
Well at least they weren't like the scumbags from Lokitorrent who actually took money from user as part of there legal defense and then sold out and ran with the money. Still a sad day........
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2. July 2009 @ 11:48 |
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Hey guys what are you thinking about...money is money
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