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Sony president denies upcoming PS3 price cut rumors
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article published on 8 July, 2009
Sony president Sir Howard Stringer has once again denied that the company will be dropping the price of the PlayStation 3, despite source after source asking for one.
Stringer responded first directly to Activision CEO Robert Kotick's comments that the developer may not support the PS3 if the price isn't cut this year.
"He likes to make a lot of noise," added Stringer, via GI.biz. ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by varnull:
Actually zip.. M$ were very interested in the overheating issue from almost day 1 .. In my time as an xbox site admin I was in communication with a senior member of the M$ console division who was very interested in the liquid cooling mods carried out by our members to prolong the life of the console and to cut it's noise.. Unfortunately it was too expensive on a unit basis to implement.. I guess if it had been viable they would have run with it and the 360 would have been a groundbreaking monster console instead of an rrod mini oven (great description BTW) that breaks all noise records.
Actively being interested in a better cooling method and actually fixing it are 2 separate things hell even their fix is far from a final solution?
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Jeez, my X360 has never RRODed (falcon model) and with the NXE playing games off the HD runs cooler and much quieter. The PS3 isn't free either from breakdown problems that even aren't acknowledged by Sony and if you don't think it's cheaply made you haven't seen the insides of it. So can we please just shut up about it for once?
Judging from what Varnull wrote I gather we're gonna be seeing some pretty sophisticated form of cooling solution in the next console gen. You sure as hell won't be getting full 1080p without it.
6 n 10 ff the line, that's what the 360 fail rate was, and that is ridiculous no matter who you are, yes by the time it got to the consumer it is 3 to 4 in 10 if you add in the refurbs, now its more like 2 to 3 in ten but still.... its jsut enough to make you stop and think.
The PS3 is more 0.5-1.5 in ten, yes it has problems as all tech gadgets do but some are just better designed than others.
Originally posted by varnull:
I doubt it.. they will just stick more fans in and let them overheat like they have this gen. They don't care about reliability... they just want the money out of your pocket..
Consoles like pc gaming are seen as a cash cow.. screw as much as possible out of the consumer for the minimum possible investment.
The DC had some form of liquid cooling in it did it not?
But I would have to are a marginal fail rate (1-3 in ten) means they will be pushing more units than ever and only makes you money when the units start turning a profit on each sale but when they do 10$ X 1M is 10M profit......
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10. July 2009 @ 15:23 |
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Arg
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Final Solution.. I like the way you think.. wheres xbox104 when you need him?
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The DC had some form of liquid cooling in it did it not?
But I would have to are a marginal fail rate (1-3 in ten) means they will be pushing more units than ever and only makes you money when the units start turning a profit on each sale but when they do 10$ X 1M is 10M profit......
The first wave Dreamcasts that hit the market had a gel like substance coupled with a heatsink.
the last wave had 2 copper/aluminum heatsink with 2 copper heat pipes running between them one for heat dissipation and the other for cooling. the CPU was mounted with a copper pipe the pipe ran across the case to a fan that was mounted to an aluminum heatsink..
The xbox has heat pipes but are useless because there coiled in the center of the box.
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10. July 2009 @ 18:55 |
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i wouldnt say useless, but since there is no fan directly there on the heatsink to take the heat awayform the fins, its not as effective as it could be.
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i wouldnt say useless, but since there is no fan directly there on the heatsink to take the heat awayform the fins, its not as effective as it could be.
they are useless there centered around inside the box they go from the CPU Heatsink to the GPU Heatsink the only thing this does is increase the heat spread touch the heatsink of the xbox not bad you could still fry an egg on it now touch the heat pipes and if you don't fry your nervous system your lucky.
the basic concept of heat pipes is to move heat to an external vent.
the thing about MS that grates my nerves like sharp chedder is that 50 cents more heat pipe and a rearrangement could drop the Heat at 25 degrees. for 5 dollors more they could also get some decent fans 20CFM just doesn't cut it 34CFM would drop the temps even more 10-15 degrees.
its just pure laziness that they don't fix these issues.
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10. July 2009 @ 19:47 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
6 n 10 ff the line, that's what the 360 fail rate was
Actually Zippy that was the results from the original original pre-production run on first start-up.
The first Xenon mobo had a fail-rate (as far as we can tell any of this) of about 16%.
This got better with every subsequent new mobo released to the point where failures are now so small a problem that no-one, not even the PS3 fanboy saturday staff, is releasing anecdotal tales of shops returning 30% of what they sold etc etc anymore.
E74 came along but was very rapidly incorporated into the 3yr warranty.
It's pretty obvious that their mobo revisions and warranty have killed this issue.
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Arg
Oh my godwin.... let me rephrase :P
MS avoided doing anything that would truly fix the problem even now with the lower heat producing chips it still has a fail rate above the industry average....
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6 n 10 ff the line, that's what the 360 fail rate was
Actually Zippy that was the results from the original original pre-production run on first start-up.
The first Xenon mobo had a fail-rate (as far as we can tell any of this) of about 16%.
This got better with every subsequent new mobo released to the point where failures are now so small a problem that no-one, not even the PS3 fanboy saturday staff, is releasing anecdotal tales of shops returning 30% of what they sold etc etc anymore.
E74 came along but was very rapidly incorporated into the 3yr warranty.
It's pretty obvious that their mobo revisions and warranty have killed this issue.
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
Nice try..... from the research I did it was 60% fail rate on the line for the first couple of years, why do you think MS lost billions on the 360??.... because the damn thing was poorly designed heat wise and they simply refused to deal with it in any swift or functional way, they put off any real fix and shoe horned in patches they hoped would fix the issue until the new chips rolled out into production.
Sorry the easy break oven will forever be the laughing stock of the game industry(like I am of grammar :P) as far as manufacturing values/ fail rates are concerned.
You can blame $ony for being as greedy and inept as M$ but at least most of their hardware has yet to hit 25% fail rate from off the store shelf.
Heres one of my sources
http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/...e-console-woes/
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To everyone's comment:
What does all this tech specs have to do with the main article's header? *NOTHING* That is what. You'd think people could comment on how arrogant Stringer is thinking a price cut isn't needed, let alone thinking his system can last as long as PS2 has so far. Even if it does, he claims the consumers and retailers *not to mention business partners* are not thinking outside the box for the "long term" yet the only thing Stringer seems to argue competing against is his own PS2 console, like wtf? It's no longer a battle between him and MS 360. It's a battle between him and proving he can make the console last as long as PS2, and that to me is not thinking with the right box, let alone outside of one.
The question I want to know is regardless of if it can or can not, is he willing to stake his job on the line if this so called strategy fails?
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
To everyone's comment:
What does all this tech specs have to do with the main article's header? *NOTHING* That is what. You'd think people could comment on how arrogant Stringer is thinking a price cut isn't needed, let alone thinking his system can last as long as PS2 has so far. Even if it does, he claims the consumers and retailers *not to mention business partners* are not thinking outside the box for the "long term" yet the only thing Stringer seems to argue competing against is his own PS2 console, like wtf? It's no longer a battle between him and MS 360. It's a battle between him and proving he can make the console last as long as PS2, and that to me is not thinking with the right box, let alone outside of one.
The question I want to know is regardless of if it can or can not, is he willing to stake his job on the line if this so called strategy fails?
Frankly it has everything to do with it, as they were arrogant enough to launch a 800$ console and think people would just bend over and buy 2 of them.
If they spent more time on the tech and less time licking the polyps beyond each others anus's they would have made a console that would not be lagging behind nor having issues with software development or price.
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Originally posted by Zippy:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Arg
Oh my godwin.... let me rephrase...
Double Aarg!
+1 Mysttic
Originally posted by Interestx:
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
LOL esp @ "...not even the PS3 fanboy saturday staff..."
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
PS£ came a year after the xbox (year and a half in the EU) so being 8 mill behind seems minor
Seeing though ps3 came out a year after the xbox, they should be swamping the 360 sales, a year's worth of designing is massive, ps3 fanboys use the release dates to cover up the loses (don't forget they are coming last).
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Judging from what Varnull wrote I gather we're gonna be seeing some pretty sophisticated form of cooling solution in the next console gen. You sure as hell won't be getting full 1080p without it.
Next gen is estimated to be 2015, 1080p then will be the 480p of today (or worse).
Originally posted by varnull:
I doubt it.. they will just stick more fans in and let them overheat like they have this gen. They don't care about reliability... they just want the money out of your pocket..
Originally posted by lxhotboy:
At the same time EA says the Xbox 360 is maxed out but again we will have to wait and see.
MS is continuously working to improve the xbox 360, since release they have implemented 3 different motherboards and optical disk drives, all of which improve on its predecessor... rrod is practically extinct in the new models.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
6 n 10 ff the line, that's what the 360 fail rate was, and that is ridiculous no matter who you are, yes by the time it got to the consumer it is 3 to 4 in 10 if you add in the refurbs, now its more like 2 to 3 in ten but still.... its jsut enough to make you stop and think.
Not true at all. Release date console had 30% failure. Falcon 10%. Jasper below 10%
Originally posted by Interestx:
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
100% correct.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Nice try..... from the research I did it was 60% fail rate on the line for the first couple of years, why do you think MS lost billions on the 360??....
lol, that was your response? You just strengthened Interestx comment, PS3 magazines/e-zines/websites isn't a good place to get information about xbox 360. Ms lost billions on the 360 because they fixed their work releasing the 3 year warranty.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sorry the easy break oven will forever be the laughing stock of the game industry(like I am of grammar :P) as far as manufacturing values/ fail rates are concerned
Sorry ps3 is being beaten in sales by "the easy break oven".
^^^About the only thing the ps3 is good for.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
You can blame $ony for being as greedy and inept as M$ but at least most of their hardware has yet to hit 25% fail rate from off the store shelf.
MS hasn't had 25% failure rates since 2006, 3 years too late with that comment.
Originally posted by Mysttic:
What does all this tech specs have to do with the main article's header? *NOTHING* That is what. You'd think people could comment on how arrogant Stringer is thinking a price cut isn't needed, let alone thinking his system can last as long as PS2 has so far. Even if it does, he claims the consumers and retailers *not to mention business partners* are not thinking outside the box for the "long term" yet the only thing Stringer seems to argue competing against is his own PS2 console, like wtf? It's no longer a battle between him and MS 360. It's a battle between him and proving he can make the console last as long as PS2, and that to me is not thinking with the right box, let alone outside of one
Well, as mentioned before next gen is estimated to be 2015, all consoles should out live the ps2.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
If they spent more time on the tech and less time licking the polyps beyond each others anus's they would have made a console that would not be lagging behind nor having issues with software development or price.
My thoughts exactly.
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a handfull, hell even less than that rigth now, of games on the nex gen consoles are at 1080p, most are 720p or 640 or 600 iicr.
next gen will have 1080p games i thinkf, with a handfull at 1440p.
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
a handfull, hell even less than that rigth now, of games on the nex gen consoles are at 1080p, most are 720p or 640 or 600 iicr.
next gen will have 1080p games i thinkf, with a handfull at 1440p.
Next gen is estimated to be 6 years away. There is a lot of technology that will be developed in 6 years, think of all the things we didn't have in 2003 that we have now... next gen will be better than 1080p.
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To everyone's comment:
What does all this tech specs have to do with the main article's header? *NOTHING* That is what. You'd think people could comment on how arrogant Stringer is thinking a price cut isn't needed, let alone thinking his system can last as long as PS2 has so far. Even if it does, he claims the consumers and retailers *not to mention business partners* are not thinking outside the box for the "long term" yet the only thing Stringer seems to argue competing against is his own PS2 console, like wtf? It's no longer a battle between him and MS 360. It's a battle between him and proving he can make the console last as long as PS2, and that to me is not thinking with the right box, let alone outside of one.
The question I want to know is regardless of if it can or can not, is he willing to stake his job on the line if this so called strategy fails?
Frankly it has everything to do with it, as they were arrogant enough to launch a 800$ console and think people would just bend over and buy 2 of them.
If they spent more time on the tech and less time licking the polyps beyond each others anus's they would have made a console that would not be lagging behind nor having issues with software development or price.
Zippy.. Zippy..Zip my man. LMAO
That is one of the realest post i have ever read. I thought the price of the xbox360 was high initially then PS3 dropped and i was like, "Are you serious?" Sony really had this generation locked up already. Easy programming, and a machine that would have launched at no more than $399, Where would Sony be??? Well PS2 dominated the market like no other videogaming console has in history so Sony had the fanbase eating out of their hands already. Regardless what anyone says about the PS3 being worth the launch day price, its only opinion b/c as many loyal fans and supporters that PS2 produced a years head start by the xbox 360 should have been easily walked down and surpassed.
Their is no excuse for this type of arrogance from Sony and they have no excuse for being 8 million consoles behind right now. That is one thing some brag about. That sony is only 8 million behind when it shows exactly where they went wrong when they should be a few million ahead right now.
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
To everyone's comment:
What does all this tech specs have to do with the main article's header? *NOTHING* That is what. You'd think people could comment on how arrogant Stringer is thinking a price cut isn't needed, let alone thinking his system can last as long as PS2 has so far. Even if it does, he claims the consumers and retailers *not to mention business partners* are not thinking outside the box for the "long term" yet the only thing Stringer seems to argue competing against is his own PS2 console, like wtf? It's no longer a battle between him and MS 360. It's a battle between him and proving he can make the console last as long as PS2, and that to me is not thinking with the right box, let alone outside of one.
The question I want to know is regardless of if it can or can not, is he willing to stake his job on the line if this so called strategy fails?
Frankly it has everything to do with it, as they were arrogant enough to launch a 800$ console and think people would just bend over and buy 2 of them.
If they spent more time on the tech and less time licking the polyps beyond each others anus's they would have made a console that would not be lagging behind nor having issues with software development or price.
Zippy.. Zippy..Zip my man. LMAO
That is one of the realest post i have ever read. I thought the price of the xbox360 was high initially then PS3 dropped and i was like, "Are you serious?" Sony really had this generation locked up already. Easy programming, and a machine that would have launched at no more than $399, Where would Sony be??? Well PS2 dominated the market like no other videogaming console has in history so Sony had the fanbase eating out of their hands already. Regardless what anyone says about the PS3 being worth the launch day price, its only opinion b/c as many loyal fans and supporters that PS2 produced a years head start by the xbox 360 should have been easily walked down and surpassed.
Their is no excuse for this type of arrogance from Sony and they have no excuse for being 8 million consoles behind right now. That is one thing some brag about. That sony is only 8 million behind when it shows exactly where they went wrong when they should be a few million ahead right now.
I myself about 10 of my friends had PS2 on only 1 had an xbox and a ps2. Now all of us, PS2 supporters who never dreamed of buying an xbox360, own a xbox 360 except for 2 out of that 10. Honestly i dont think it had much to do with the recession either. If the console had launched for $399 i can honestly say i wouldnot have tried an xbox360 and i am sure many others loyal ps2 gamers would have been eyeing the new Sony console as well. One thing for sure. I bet Sony willnot release the PS4 for $600. I think they have learned a valuable lesson. I hope microsoft has as well trying to combine a videogaming console and a microwave. Hell if i get hungry while playing games, I will just order a pizza. Someone please tell Microsoft that they should have just opened up their own chain of restuarants if they wanted to make some money in the food business.
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With the way Stringer talks, it doesn't seem he has learned any lesson; and with the marketing now of the PSP Go, what a waist of time on that piece of garbage.
For people wanting to bring tech specs into this: I don't think it fighting over who has the better system relates to this article. I do think however specs on the PS3 do; and if Stringer had not been greedy, but instead more patient, he could have waited until the making this console was cheaper and components were more easily on the market to get all while living off the glory of PS2 for another year or two. Then release the PS3 for a more affordable rate; he wouldn't have loss so much profit and even if the other console(s) has a better lead, the momentum would have gained back at the idea of a new Sony system rather than forcing everyone into a console war.
So due to their lack of foresight they claim to have at Sony: they are losing not only in the console wars but the hand-held as well.
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I myself about 10 of my friends had PS2 on only 1 had an xbox and a ps2. Now all of us, PS2 supporters who never dreamed of buying an xbox360, own a xbox 360 except for 2 out of that 10.
And honestly that is how I was as well, I had PSX and PS2 on launch; and not being a fan of xbox due to lack of original titles that were already *most of the time* pre-launched on PS2, there was no point in me having one. So I thought heh, PS3 is likely the one I will get, until a) Saw launch prince on both systems b) saw that 3rd party titles were going over to 360 first and maybe PS3. Something definately went wrong over at Sony head quarters to let a major factor of sales go like that; example PS2 had SquareEnix so tightly wrapped in small condom wrap they were thought to never go anywhere, now what was supposed to be an exclusive title similar to FF VII and X were for the early gen consoles, now has made XIII to 360 as well.
That should have been the biggest wake up call right there. When SquareEnix leaves, not to mention how many other software developers decided not to have exclusive titles for PS3? Come on..... You did something wrong, suck it up and tell us what you plan to do about it. Because if your main strategy is seriously just "waiting" until 2015, you will lose and lose hard.
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Pretty much because they refused to see the damage the high price was doing they are the ones that lowered the vulvae of their brand and made their competitors rich.
Both indeugled to much on their own pew and are paying because of it...
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With the way Stringer talks, it doesn't seem he has learned any lesson; and with the marketing now of the PSP Go, what a waist of time on that piece of garbage.
For people wanting to bring tech specs into this: I don't think it fighting over who has the better system relates to this article. I do think however specs on the PS3 do; and if Stringer had not been greedy, but instead more patient, he could have waited until the making this console was cheaper and components were more easily on the market to get all while living off the glory of PS2 for another year or two. Then release the PS3 for a more affordable rate; he wouldn't have loss so much profit and even if the other console(s) has a better lead, the momentum would have gained back at the idea of a new Sony system rather than forcing everyone into a console war.
So due to their lack of foresight they claim to have at Sony: they are losing not only in the console wars but the hand-held as well.
If they are arguing whos better that's a inane and trite argument/conversation if you however argue that because of this this is not so well done which leads to games not being their best on a system than that argument has merit because its more fatcaul than subjective.
If sony took 2 or 3 B in debt to saturate the market they would be making all that money back by now because they would have sold about twice as many units at a 300-400$ price point.
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And honestly that is how I was as well, I had PSX and PS2 on launch; and not being a fan of xbox due to lack of original titles that were already *most of the time* pre-launched on PS2, there was no point in me having one. So I thought heh, PS3 is likely the one I will get, until a) Saw launch prince on both systems b) saw that 3rd party titles were going over to 360 first and maybe PS3. Something definately went wrong over at Sony head quarters to let a major factor of sales go like that; example PS2 had SquareEnix so tightly wrapped in small condom wrap they were thought to never go anywhere, now what was supposed to be an exclusive title similar to FF VII and X were for the early gen consoles, now has made XIII to 360 as well.
That should have been the biggest wake up call right there. When SquareEnix leaves, not to mention how many other software developers decided not to have exclusive titles for PS3? Come on..... You did something wrong, suck it up and tell us what you plan to do about it. Because if your main strategy is seriously just "waiting" until 2015, you will lose and lose hard.
I truly believe its due to cost of development and nothing else, when games cost as much as film (10-100 million)to be developed you have to spam out sells in order to make that money back in enough time to sustain business.
Even if the PS3 was on top those 20 million(if the PS3 was on top) 360 units would simply be to alluring and profitable to ignore.
In the pre 7th console generation era's you did not need to to sell to as many units as possible to turn a profit now and in the coming days you just have to to get by even if you are making a big profit that's how warped corporate mentality is, it dose not matter if it makes a profit it can and should make more....
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Zippy, more respectable sources gave an overall 16% number, 60% was mentioned but it was 60% of the 16% that failed -
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A new report claims the truth is somewhere in the middle. SquareTrade deals in selling warranties for electronics, and has amassed their over 1000 warranty purchases to come up with some interesting data. The findings were a 16.4% failure rate of Xbox 360 systems, versus a roughly 3% rate for the Sony PlayStation 3 or the Nintendo Wii with sample sizes in the high hundreds.
The well-known "Red Ring of Death" error accounted for about 60% of those hardware failures, and thus most system-breaking problems are covered by Microsoft's extended warranty plan.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166259
The truth is that the 60% number comes from Dean Takahashi's book (actually 68%) and it comes from a comment about how Microsoft pressed on, pushing the original console SKU to production, even when they saw the high fail-rate of the initial production batches.
However it is simply not true to move fromn this to claim that that 60%+ number remained unchanged when the Xenon SKU went on sale.
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Zippy, more respectable sources gave an overall 16% number, 60% was mentioned but it was 60% of the 16% that failed -
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A new report claims the truth is somewhere in the middle. SquareTrade deals in selling warranties for electronics, and has amassed their over 1000 warranty purchases to come up with some interesting data. The findings were a 16.4% failure rate of Xbox 360 systems, versus a roughly 3% rate for the Sony PlayStation 3 or the Nintendo Wii with sample sizes in the high hundreds.
The well-known "Red Ring of Death" error accounted for about 60% of those hardware failures, and thus most system-breaking problems are covered by Microsoft's extended warranty plan.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166259
The truth is that the 60% number comes from Dean Takahashi's book (actually 68%) and it comes from a comment about how Microsoft pressed on, pushing the original console SKU to production, even when they saw the high fail-rate of the initial production batches.
However it is simply not true to move fromn this to claim that that 60%+ number remained unchanged when the Xenon SKU went on sale.
If at least 10 people I know did not have to go through at the very least 3 units I could agree with that, but between official statements, rumors and first hand experience the 360 fail rate topped closer to to 30%(3 in 10, the 60% was a number from the production line, least for the first year till production issues got dealt with but past that the bad design was mostly untouched and you can see it today in current revisions, the damn thing simply dose not dispense heat well) than a mere 1.6 in ten which you would not have multiple consumers with a hand full of bad units each. The numbers of reports simply support the 30% number.
Now currently I would agree it would top 16% for the current revision but I feel its closer to 1 in ten, still not the best fail rate around.... and I'll give the PS3 another year or 2 before the lens unit is cleared of issues, I would not be surprised if they start having trouble with it from the rumors I hear.
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Zippy, more respectable sources gave an overall 16% number, 60% was mentioned but it was 60% of the 16% that failed -
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A new report claims the truth is somewhere in the middle. SquareTrade deals in selling warranties for electronics, and has amassed their over 1000 warranty purchases to come up with some interesting data. The findings were a 16.4% failure rate of Xbox 360 systems, versus a roughly 3% rate for the Sony PlayStation 3 or the Nintendo Wii with sample sizes in the high hundreds.
The well-known "Red Ring of Death" error accounted for about 60% of those hardware failures, and thus most system-breaking problems are covered by Microsoft's extended warranty plan.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166259
The truth is that the 60% number comes from Dean Takahashi's book (actually 68%) and it comes from a comment about how Microsoft pressed on, pushing the original console SKU to production, even when they saw the high fail-rate of the initial production batches.
However it is simply not true to move fromn this to claim that that 60%+ number remained unchanged when the Xenon SKU went on sale.
If at least 10 people I know did not have to go through at the very least 3 units I could agree with that, but between official statements, rumors and first hand experience the 360 fail rate topped closer to to 30%(3 in 10, the 60% was a number from the production line, least for the first year till production issues got dealt with but past that the bad design was mostly untouched and you can see it today in current revisions, the damn thing simply dose not dispense heat well) than a mere 1.6 in ten which you would not have multiple consumers with a hand full of bad units each. The numbers of reports simply support the 30% number.
Now currently I would agree it would top 16% for the current revision but I feel its closer to 1 in ten, still not the best fail rate around.... and I'll give the PS3 another year or 2 before the lens unit is cleared of issues, I would not be surprised if they start having trouble with it from the rumors I hear.
I would say Jasper (current unit) is a lot less than 10%... it's more like 3% (if that). Jasper completely eliminated 3 rrod. I know about 30 people that play 360 reguarly and I am the only one that has had problems.
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A new report claims the truth is somewhere in the middle. SquareTrade deals in selling warranties for electronics, and has amassed their over 1000 warranty purchases to come up with some interesting data. The findings were a 16.4% failure rate of Xbox 360 systems, versus a roughly 3% rate for the Sony PlayStation 3 or the Nintendo Wii with sample sizes in the high hundreds.
The well-known "Red Ring of Death" error accounted for about 60% of those hardware failures, and thus most system-breaking problems are covered by Microsoft's extended warranty plan.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166259
The truth is that the 60% number comes from Dean Takahashi's book (actually 68%) and it comes from a comment about how Microsoft pressed on, pushing the original console SKU to production, even when they saw the high fail-rate of the initial production batches.
However it is simply not true to move fromn this to claim that that 60%+ number remained unchanged when the Xenon SKU went on sale.
If at least 10 people I know did not have to go through at the very least 3 units I could agree with that, but between official statements, rumors and first hand experience the 360 fail rate topped closer to to 30%(3 in 10, the 60% was a number from the production line, least for the first year till production issues got dealt with but past that the bad design was mostly untouched and you can see it today in current revisions, the damn thing simply dose not dispense heat well) than a mere 1.6 in ten which you would not have multiple consumers with a hand full of bad units each. The numbers of reports simply support the 30% number.
Now currently I would agree it would top 16% for the current revision but I feel its closer to 1 in ten, still not the best fail rate around.... and I'll give the PS3 another year or 2 before the lens unit is cleared of issues, I would not be surprised if they start having trouble with it from the rumors I hear.
That 60% is out of a few thousand, that is not a fair test. I would say Jasper (current unit) is a lot less than 10%... it's more like 3% (if that). Jasper completely eliminated 3 rrod.
Dose not matter the 60% is off the line for the system for at least the first year, they might have fixed it well enough to get a majority to the store shelf but it still suffered from a 30% fail rate that afflicted the end user, and its remnants still effect users today, with new units randomly going out its hard to call the easy break oven by its official name, I'll toke the name all I want..er mean tweak.. hehehe the 360 did well for MS and pushed the brand into more markets than before and with the PS3 doing so poorly even made japan to recognize it even if in passing.
The 360 is a solid system with more than enough titles to make it worth 200-300$(with a hand full of games) is only real issue besides being heavy in crappy cash ins(which is a problem with this generation) is the fail rate which simply can not be ignored unless you are one of the people that have a solid working day one unit.
5% is the industry norm to claim 3% on the 360(THE 360 OF ALL THINGS!!!) makes you out to be nothing but a 360 fanboy........
Now by the end of the day you have millions of users that have had issues with the 360, millions more have not had trouble but the problem is you have had millions of faulty units and not merely thousands that may amount to a couple million to 40M or more working units.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
5% is the industry norm to claim 3% on the 360(THE 360 OF ALL THINGS!!!) makes you out to be nothing but a 360 fanboy........
Bad assumption. I own a wii, 360 and ps3. I am able to judge them fairly, xbox 360 is by far the best consoles in respects of games, online gaming and warranty. I am not an xbox 360 fanboy, I am a nintendo 64 fanboy.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
besides being heavy in crappy cash ins
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
with new units randomly going out its hard to call the easy break oven by its official name
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sorry the easy break oven will forever be the laughing stock of the game industry(like I am of grammar :P) as far as manufacturing values/ fail rates are concerned
Sorry ps3 is being beaten in sales by "the easy break oven".
^^^About the only thing the ps3 is good for.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
they might have fixed it well enough to get a majority to the store shelf but it still suffered from a 30% fail rate that afflicted the end user, and its remnants still effect users today,
That's why they released a 3 year warranty. May I remind you of the ps3 ylod.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
is the fail rate which simply can not be ignored unless you are one of the people that have a solid working day one unit.
Originally posted by Interestx:
It's pretty obvious that their mobo revisions and warranty have killed this issue.
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
By that definition (and by any other one) Zippy, I think you are the ps3 fanboy to hung up on the success of the ps2 to realise how good the 360 really is. The only point you have made is about the rrod, which has already been fixed, ps3 fanboys have their thumb to far up their ass to realise they made the wrong decision.
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Where to start.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
5% is the industry norm to claim 3% on the 360(THE 360 OF ALL THINGS!!!) makes you out to be nothing but a 360 fanboy........
Bad assumption. I own a wii, 360 and ps3. I am able to judge them fairly, xbox 360 is by far the best consoles in respects of games, online gaming and warranty. I am not an xbox 360 fanboy, I am a nintendo 64 fanboy.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
besides being heavy in crappy cash ins
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
with new units randomly going out its hard to call the easy break oven by its official name
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sorry the easy break oven will forever be the laughing stock of the game industry(like I am of grammar :P) as far as manufacturing values/ fail rates are concerned
Sorry ps3 is being beaten in sales by "the easy break oven".
^^^About the only thing the ps3 is good for.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
they might have fixed it well enough to get a majority to the store shelf but it still suffered from a 30% fail rate that afflicted the end user, and its remnants still effect users today,
That's why they released a 3 year warranty. May I remind you of the ps3 ylod.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
is the fail rate which simply can not be ignored unless you are one of the people that have a solid working day one unit.
Originally posted by Interestx:
It's pretty obvious that their mobo revisions and warranty have killed this issue.
(Except for those PS3 fans who want to PR to anyone who'll listen & pretend nothing has changed)
By that definition (and by any other one) Zippy, I think you are the ps3 fanboy to hung up on the success of the ps2 to realise how good the 360 really is. The only point you have made is about the rrod, which has already been fixed, ps3 fanboys have their thumb to far up their ass to realise they made the wrong decision.
Wow...obvious troll is obvious ... 360 fanboy inddeed.....
I have not been on a PS3 triad of late mainly because there's not been much to lol at other than the "there's nothing wrong with the price" spewage. I have already stated what I think of the fail60 tho I think it could have a better variety of games but it kinda has even if said RPGs get better PS3 ports... which is nothing but sloppy development.
But lets look at the PS3 besides the price the hardware is so off the wall most ports look better on the 360 (unless the devs are really asleep at the wheel) because the hardware is basically incomprehensible...kinda like zippy half the time :P, but really it might have a bit more power under its hood but without the refined coding to optimize its power its basically lagging behind what can be easily done on the 360 creating development issues becuse you have to go out of underway to dev for each system, tho sony has done something about that with the cheap multi console dev kit they have created.
The main reason the PS3 is lagging behind is price more than anything else, the 360 had a years start at the cost of beta testing the pre production model on the public..... oh and in the UK you have a automated 3 year warranty on such things and MS was forced to put a one off 3 year warranty(meaning the replacement unit gets a 90 day warranty) after they were taken to court....please try and get your facts half right...I at least try too :P
BTW I do like the PS2 more than the Xbox and PSWIIfail60 mainly because game enhancers are not banned on it, game enhances make bad,poor and unplayable games fun and enjoyable without them 90% of all games are not worth 10$ much less the 60$ they are shoveling them out as. I had a 360 I sold it off it was not worth it I have had a WII and PS3 while they were nice they were not worth me keeping them, now adays the 360 is a bit better off more cheap games more stable hardware, the PS3 is at least cheaper and the WII has a nice drive unit that can play any GC/WII backed up game, things are a bit better now but just up to a couple years ago the 7th gen was a joke and its still pretty sad....
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Oh and I forgot the WII, kinda sad to have a less powerful console that has a poorly developed motion sensing system in it (sorry but a IR tethered setup is laughable in this day and age) it would not be so bad if it was more precise but but they did not build this for gaming, wipe the floor profit wise with sony and MS, they built it as a interactive entertainment rig.... gaming?? who needs it... nin dose not they just need to feed zombies....sony and MS only don;t need it either they just need enough shine to distract the woolly masses from shallow writing and even more shallow gameplay..................
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