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I mean come on like DX88 said if they put 5$ or 8$ more into it with a fan the damn thing would never fail in anything but 90+ degree weather!!

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I mean come on like DX88 said if they put 5$ or 8$ more into it with a fan the damn thing would never fail in anything but 90+ degree weather!!

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to MS Yes.

if the consumer wanted to do it himself your looking 39.99 could be more could be less.

components you would need

A +/- powered fan 20cfm or higher
A low power soldering Iron + lead solder(silver bead will work as well)
/you could stop here
Some copper heat pipes about 3 feet in length
a low profile heat sink like those used on NorthBridge Chipsets.
a drill or a hole puncher


and one unit of crappy diagram.

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So let me get this straight. Person A gives links, proof, and valid documentation and is "wrong" but Person B who gives ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support their "facts" is "right" and is supposed to somehow be taken seriously?...That sure isn't the way I see it, and to top it all off what I don't get is how you have the time to post 6 replies and track this thread over the course of 3 days but yet you

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do not have enough time to scour the internet to find links to prove my point to narrow minded "fanboys"

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So explain to me how is anyone supposed to take you seriously with such contradiction? Because it sure as hell doesn't make any sense...


Edit: Oh forgot to add that Zippy, Jemborg, DXR88 & Varnull (plus a couple others) have been here for quite some time and DO know what they are talking about (quite well if you ask just about ANYONE here on aD) and should be taken pretty seriously because they actually give supporting PROOF with their comments to uphold their views & points.

Give me proof over conjecture any day, any time.

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oner you shouldve just replied with this pic




lol. jk

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Once again, you have the time to talk BS in reply but not the time to actually PROVE your "facts"...The more you talk, the more you solidify my point.

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Originally posted by kushner:

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You can give it but you can't take it. Zippy was calling the xbox 360 an "easy brake oven" a long time before i posted that pic, i did not start anything.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
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Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
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Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

Quote:

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Lol, so you were addding the failure rate from the production line with the failure rate off the shelf? What if some consoles failed on both the production line and off the shelf. Let's just say the xbox 360 use to have a high failure rate, which has been fixed now (to some extent).

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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I think my point has been very well PROVEN here. But believe what you will, I already know this is a waste of time since you have never provided proof with your "points".

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Wtf is your point??? You keep saying it has been "proven", it has not! Zippy posted one link to an article written by a biest author trying to sell books (i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once I get home).

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And if he is baised where is the proof, via links he is not?

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He's the author of exposing the 360 book, he's just creating more hype/interest around the subject.

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*sigh*

Quote:

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And if he is so biased where is the proof, links?

At least try and defend your argument with some researched evidence to place some validity in it.

Here are a few more 30% rate claims
http://gizmodo.com/271487/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers
(30%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
(higher than 15%)
http://www.marketingvox.com/in-australia...tailers-030879/
(30%)
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home/D3Q7G8S2
(30%)

You can not ignore MS's sloppiness, its just too widely reported.

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Sigh.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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i will be sure to post equally irrelevant links once i get home

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It's a bit hard to memorise an entire url. Btw, I said the xbox 360 had a 30% failure rate at release, you are just contradicting you 60% failure rate remark.

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*yawns* thats wut R bookmarks iz for.

The 60% remark is based on the PRODUCTION LINE issues combined with off the self issues.

Unless they had a full 60% fail rate(gaaa been up all night I'll see if I can run down where in my arse that number came from,most likely its a combination of stuff) on the line where then they patched them got them working and then sold them....which could explain alot of things really..............

*yawns* I think you don't disagree with the 30%(all time high) fail rate number as much as the slightly ridiculous 60% right?
I do not claim that number to be off the self I do claim it as either whole or part of production and or off the shelf issues.

Production generally weeds out bad units the 360 had a high rate of them now I'll have to see if I can find what lead me to the 60% number I am sure it was a mix of things but fuzzy bwains seems to haz forgotten >> and I need sleep, I wrote all this together at once(and these lines last) so forgive the incoherence...I take nap now K bubye =X.X=
==================
Ok I did it for you
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/12...-percent-report

Quote:

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Gaming site 1UP.com got its hands on a survey from SquareTrade, a firm that sells warranties for various consumer electronics. The company recent took a thousand claims it received and compiled statistics about relative gaming console failure rates. The results? The PlayStation 3 and the Wii both clocked in with failure rates of three percent, pretty standard when it comes to the average gadget. The Xbox 360, however, racked up a failure rate of 16.4 percent, according to SquareTrade, with 60 percent of those failures due to the dreaded Red Ring of Death.

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Which basically means, of what square trade covers they report a fail rate of 16% of which 60% accounts for the RROD.

Oh wait....... what its a is a statical study of 1000 people who bothered to fill out the form they were sent....

This basically means by then end of 07 the 360 may have had a fail rate around 16%, it also means out of the 30 million or so 360 users they hit a sweet spot in the 70%/30% working/nonworking statistic.

If you side with caution or reason there is really is nothing holding you back by saying that the fail rate can easily be above 15% even double it for older units possibly those made in and before 06-07 and the newer the units mid/late 07 to now will have a fail rate as high as 16%.

It really dose nothing to paint the 360/MS in a better light......... its still 5 or 6 times the normal fail rate for such devices....

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Lol, so you were addding the failure rate from the production line with the failure rate off the shelf? What if some consoles failed on both the production line and off the shelf. Let's just say the xbox 360 use to have a high failure rate, which has been fixed now (to some extent).

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