Originally posted by jcalton88:

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I'd think Microsoft wouldn't be that stupid. Even in the terms of service they don't and can't say that at no point in time you cannot take apart your xbox. Which is essentially all that a flag saying it was started with no drive does.

Maybe, just maybe, for shits and giggles I took my box apart and started it up without the drive in. That doesn't necessarily mean I flashed my drive and play backed up games all day long. Maybe they will scrutinize the information sent by that box when its online, but as the sole reason for a ban, dumbest thing I've heard.

But then again...its MS

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Originally posted by Eisherz:

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That only means you're screwed if you had to powercycle the drive, which I hadn't. So even if this information is true (which I more than highly doubt) only those who used JF are screwed.

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Originally posted by Eisherz:

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That only means you're screwed if you had to powercycle the drive, which I hadn't. So even if this information is true (which I more than highly doubt) only those who used JF are screwed.

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Originally posted by goyankees:

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Originally posted by Eisherz:

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That only means you're screwed if you had to powercycle the drive, which I hadn't. So even if this information is true (which I more than highly doubt) only those who used JF are screwed.

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How bout iPrep?

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Originally posted by jcalton88:

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Even in the terms of service they don't and can't say that at no point in time you cannot take apart your xbox.

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Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Originally posted by jcalton88:

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Even in the terms of service they don't and can't say that at no point in time you cannot take apart your xbox.

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What???

It CLEARLY states that.

You agree that you are using only authorized software and hardware to access the Service, that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., through unauthorized repairs, unauthorized upgrades, or unauthorized downloads), and that we have the right to send data , applications or other content to any software or hardware that you are using to access the Service for the express purpose of detecting an unauthorized modification. Taken from section 16, http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/LiveTOU.htm

Right there it is. Unless you are an authorized repair center, if they can detect in any way that you've opened the console, you've just violated the TOS.



And all you other guys saying "so they're going to ban me if my drive dies... it's BS". The 360 doesn't work that way. If your drive craps out, the 360 can still detect it. If the drive is missing, that's completely different and I find it VERY possible that MS could detect and ban someone for it.

This isn't the first time that the speculation of being banned by powering the console with a missing drive has come up. It was also found plausable back when the very first Fall update rolled out and the first Ban Wave hit. That was back when H3 came out.

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Originally posted by Sploitz:

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There are specific timers within the challenge/response protocol that may be checked by MS to determine as criteria for banning. We believe they are measuring one or more to find discrepancies. While a lot of this is speculation, and a lot of data is inaccurate as far as replication due to different mechanics, there may be specific timers that can be easily read. One that we are focusing on has to do with the degree's of disc rotation, which will generate a sum (0,90,180,270) and embed that data within the Security Sector file. Now, we recently have noticed a change within games in regards to that Challenge/Response timer.

We recently found out that new games ripped with kreon drives will give back a degree, that in combination with ixtreme jitter, will produce a 360 degree value. This would be a unacceptable range (should only be 0-359). This is a detectable and possibly a criteria for the recent ban waves. Also, this would explain why some users got banned playing the same games that others played, and did not get banned.

source: xbox360-hacks.com v1.4 iextreme dload

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Originally posted by homesick:

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i've never even heard of vgcrepairs, but i bet they've heard of afterdawn :)

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Originally posted by homesick:

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i've never even heard of vgcrepairs, but i bet they've heard of afterdawn :)

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Probably just a stunt to make customers anxious, hence people buying the proper resources, from their site.

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Originally posted by jcalton88:

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But I guess thats why we have implied meanings, and why they are vague. That way it can be manipulated to other situations.

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