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Joel Tenenbaum fined $675,000 over copyright infringement
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article published on 1 August, 2009
After just three hours of deliberations, a jury has ruled that convicted pirate Joel Tenenbaum has willfully infringed on copyrights, and has awarded the RIAA and the media companies $675,000 USD, $22,500 for each of the 30 songs he admitted to sharing.
In some ways, Tenenbaum should be grateful, as the jury could have awarded up to $150,000 in penalties per track. In the recent ruling ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by Interestx:
The jury was ordered to find him guilty.
What else do you need to know?
One of the most wealthy and profitable businesses on the planet has 'justice' all bought and paid for.
All the more reason why distribution without profit should be free.
Of corse when have have arrogant ignorant nobles running government they will side with their mentally challenged siblings in business...where the burnt of their take home pay comes from......
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3. August 2009 @ 23:12 |
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zippy
prince did that
give away i think 10m copies of his music which he had assigned to the record company for sale, they worked it out somehow but for someone not in the deal to make access for free copies without some deal is bootlegging-look at it like this
you spend 1m bucks making a cd promoting it,the whole deal,setting it up in stores,radio,web all the toppings,
you sell 1 copy,to one guy,and 10m people have it before you can shut the machine off., what do you do now? how you gonna get that 1m back? if you can aford to play music you are lucky
if you make a living off of it you are blessed!
hard to do it free when it costs so much to produce.
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i forgot to ask
why would someone want to distribute something that they made nothing off of or had no gain from anyway?
fair use doesnt mean crash the deal by world wide givaway.
the way they solved with tapes and such was to take a bite of the purchas price of the blank tape.
radio pays a blanket fee
record companies let some things stream and others not
indys sometimes dont care at all
i let my music stream free
but i am old and tired,and the long time village iddiot.
why bother?
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Originally posted by rockabout:
i forgot to ask
why would someone want to distribute something that they made nothing off of or had no gain from anyway?
fair use doesnt mean crash the deal by world wide givaway.
the way they solved with tapes and such was to take a bite of the purchas price of the blank tape.
radio pays a blanket fee
record companies let some things stream and others not
indys sometimes dont care at all
i let my music stream free
but i am old and tired,and the long time village iddiot.
why bother?
Fair use protects lending of physical media and "distribution" of media that's become difficult to obtain.
And you are missing the point if each person had to pay the tab for shearing stuff (bandwidth/server fees ect) and could not gain money off it unless they had a license you'd remove any site that "makes money" off sharing.
Basically you are limiting "shearing" to either individuals for personal archiving (how they share that data dose not matter as long as no profit is made from it) and organizations that have a license from CP owners.
Sharing data/media/information is the right of the populace, making money from it the right of business(ISP's chagrining for more bandwidth) but specifically CP owners. But CP owners should realize they do not have an absolute lock on distribution if they can not sell it to the people the people will either ignore them and not buy/use it or share it because they either can not afford it or would rather build internet infrastructure though higher internet costs instead of directly feeding the abusive beast of the media industry..
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4. August 2009 @ 00:58 |
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hi im johnny
you folks have some interesting view points
reading them has made me start thinking,which is useually not a good thing,but im knockin some dust off,
i do art and business,i am, capitalistic,humanstic,agnostic of faith,
fair should be my creed.
sometimes it is not.
what would it hurt to give a little more?
probibly not much.
when it gets to the bone,whose bite is it?
how much space between me and that bite am i going to give?
where is the line?
no one should be hungry for their dreams to come true.
few are willing to go so far as to give their lives to this dream of freedom in america so others just like us can do just what we are doing. and for the many who have given it all.
i for one think they deserve a little more support and respect
for their efforts.
crooks are everywhere.
we all have stolen something.
turning children into criminals has never been the answer.
letting criminals go isnt eather
i guess,at least for me,i love to share stuff
justice is good to share.
a little space.
stuff i actually owne.worked for,stuff like that.
in the end i just wish children anywhere didnt have to eat mudd cakes.
but they do.
we have war and hunger and crime and hate all over this world.
what are we really giving and what are we really getting for it
i just wish we were kinder to each other thats all
just a little less dog eat dog
id give anything to get to see this world at peace!
what do you think? could you share that?
whats it worth? why bother? i can see that it aint never gonna work taking anything from sombody and giving it to sombody else
sombody is going to get mad at sombody else. every time
i guess we gotta give it up or fight!i say fight!fight like you fight
for the fun of it!fight like theres no tomorrow fight fight fight to the fight fight hard fight to the death and maybe we will learn to share.
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hey zippy
sorry i got excited, it happens to me all the time.
yaknow you might just have the answer.
take the bite from the bandwidth.like the old blank tapes,or cds.
give it to bmi,ascap,sesac,those guys.
for the artists.let the web go free. or so to speak.not quite free
not quite restricted.
and then there are the add people,or the guys who use your stuff to get other peoples attention.
i dont know sounds like a FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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check this out
i want everybody to give me a buck for every copy of every song
i write if you like it enough to copy it for yourself and a couple friends.
if it brings people to your place of business split a buck with me
dont use me for some cheap cause or rip-off scam or any negitave waves.
i choose not to be antisocial although their are plenty of reasons to become that way.
all im gonna do is give it away anyway.
but thats my choice.
it broke my heart to see children eating those mudd cakes and i will never forget how badly we have let them down.
all of our efforts should be going to sharing the gift of life to all
and to hell with those greedy mudering basterds.
freedom of choice to give and share should and has saved us before and i sure hope it will save us now.
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Originally posted by rockabout:
hey zippy
sorry i got excited, it happens to me all the time.
yaknow you might just have the answer.
take the bite from the bandwidth.like the old blank tapes,or cds.
give it to bmi,ascap,sesac,those guys.
for the artists.let the web go free. or so to speak.not quite free
not quite restricted.
and then there are the add people,or the guys who use your stuff to get other peoples attention.
i dont know sounds like a FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its give and take, they can have a tax on the net 10% or do so to computer hardware/media phones and dvd players and we get to share but not profit in what we share.
Sure the media mafia gets some glorious regulatory BS the government can take 1-5 percent off of to run, but we keep our inherent freedoms free. At a price the powers may be can shallow....
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Hey big_poppa,
The RIAA needs to spend more time seeing that quality music gets made. If they didn't put out this "formula" music, where there is one good song on an album, and the rest is filler, there would be no need to sue someone for not buying it. People have had crap shoved in their faces for years. The music is based on market studies now. If you don't believe, look at american idol. I'm not saying there isn't any good music being made anymore, but more often than not, if it doesn't fit the "mold" it would be shoved aside. Because of their money and power, they are one of the few groups that can sue a poor person for these "hypothetical" damages and get away with it. Anyone who can't see this, needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling.
Just think if they could relax their white knuckle grip on the dollar, and just leave the making of music to the artists again. Call me crazy but I think their profits would spike, and there would be no need for these ridiculous lawsuits. Everyone would benefit.
No one even questions the rights of privacy, or how these corporations obtain the information, to bring these suits. No search warrant, no court order in most cases, and they are able to look at whats on your machine. To me thats an invasion of privacy, but I guess in america our rights are eroding so quickly it probably doesn't matter.
Interesting that the quality of music is not controlled by the RIAA. It is controlled by those who choose to steal music only for one song.
The fact is real simple...if you like it buy it...and if you steal it...you are a thief. Plain and simple.
A corporate RIAA shill if there ever was one.
Go post it on your myspace page along with your mood and how life is so unfair.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Hey big_poppa,
The RIAA needs to spend more time seeing that quality music gets made. If they didn't put out this "formula" music, where there is one good song on an album, and the rest is filler, there would be no need to sue someone for not buying it. People have had crap shoved in their faces for years. The music is based on market studies now. If you don't believe, look at american idol. I'm not saying there isn't any good music being made anymore, but more often than not, if it doesn't fit the "mold" it would be shoved aside. Because of their money and power, they are one of the few groups that can sue a poor person for these "hypothetical" damages and get away with it. Anyone who can't see this, needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling.
Just think if they could relax their white knuckle grip on the dollar, and just leave the making of music to the artists again. Call me crazy but I think their profits would spike, and there would be no need for these ridiculous lawsuits. Everyone would benefit.
No one even questions the rights of privacy, or how these corporations obtain the information, to bring these suits. No search warrant, no court order in most cases, and they are able to look at whats on your machine. To me thats an invasion of privacy, but I guess in america our rights are eroding so quickly it probably doesn't matter.
Interesting that the quality of music is not controlled by the RIAA. It is controlled by those who choose to steal music only for one song.
The fact is real simple...if you like it buy it...and if you steal it...you are a thief. Plain and simple.
A corporate RIAA shill if there ever was one.
Go post it on your myspace page along with your mood and how life is so unfair.
*yawns* you can't steal thought or information.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Hey big_poppa,
The RIAA needs to spend more time seeing that quality music gets made. If they didn't put out this "formula" music, where there is one good song on an album, and the rest is filler, there would be no need to sue someone for not buying it. People have had crap shoved in their faces for years. The music is based on market studies now. If you don't believe, look at american idol. I'm not saying there isn't any good music being made anymore, but more often than not, if it doesn't fit the "mold" it would be shoved aside. Because of their money and power, they are one of the few groups that can sue a poor person for these "hypothetical" damages and get away with it. Anyone who can't see this, needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling.
Just think if they could relax their white knuckle grip on the dollar, and just leave the making of music to the artists again. Call me crazy but I think their profits would spike, and there would be no need for these ridiculous lawsuits. Everyone would benefit.
No one even questions the rights of privacy, or how these corporations obtain the information, to bring these suits. No search warrant, no court order in most cases, and they are able to look at whats on your machine. To me thats an invasion of privacy, but I guess in america our rights are eroding so quickly it probably doesn't matter.
Interesting that the quality of music is not controlled by the RIAA. It is controlled by those who choose to steal music only for one song.
The fact is real simple...if you like it buy it...and if you steal it...you are a thief. Plain and simple.
A corporate RIAA shill if there ever was one.
Go post it on your myspace page along with your mood and how life is so unfair.
*yawns* you can't steal thought or information.
It's too bad that you have neither in that myspace world.
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*yawns* you can't steal thought or information.
It's too bad that you have neither in that myspace world.
Which is why people buy all the crap they advertise. :P
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
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Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
if i gave you permission to take some food out of my fridge if i gave you permission to funnel gas out of my tank then yes its sharing.
if one is to understand the concept one has to look at the very creation of P2P which by the original design was to take files chop them up into segments and upload them to all the computers in the network.
the concept gets all whacked from there Uploading is considered sharing in P2P. what is being shared is another question.
What big whig RIAA/MPAA have done is created a law that severely limits the use of p2p as a sharing infrastructure, by mandating,fear, and ties into the government.
you probably don't even care, your one of those types that are always right. i used to be one in, in one point of my life.
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Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
Where in any of my posts did I say I stole music or downloaded illeagally? That is a poor assumption that you have made on your own. It is exactly the type of attitude and corporate ideals you represent. The RIAA, a rich and powerful organization, has the attitude that the very people that put them in that position are stealing from them. Its a very paraniod view. Maybe they should change their viewpoint, and start treating the consumer like a customer again, instead of a thief. So why don't you man up and post something worthwhile, instead of accusing everyone of stealing.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
Where in any of my posts did I say I stole music or downloaded illeagally? That is a poor assumption that you have made on your own. It is exactly the type of attitude and corporate ideals you represent. The RIAA, a rich and powerful organization, has the attitude that the very people that put them in that position are stealing from them. Its a very paraniod view. Maybe they should change their viewpoint, and start treating the consumer like a customer again, instead of a thief. So why don't you man up and post something worthwhile, instead of accusing everyone of stealing.
Ahh yes, out of the mouth of babes. So you have never stolen a song? Wow...I am impressed.
Your sad assumptions about being a "shill" whilst parroting remarks by someone else shows how unoriginal your thoughts are.
Who should start treating the consumer like a customer? They are not the sellers or music. The members that are part of the RIAA do so on their own volition. They are protecting the people they serve...record companies not consumers.
So why don't you look into what they do before you go posting another "I'm grumpy" on your myspace page.
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Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
Where in any of my posts did I say I stole music or downloaded illeagally? That is a poor assumption that you have made on your own. It is exactly the type of attitude and corporate ideals you represent. The RIAA, a rich and powerful organization, has the attitude that the very people that put them in that position are stealing from them. Its a very paraniod view. Maybe they should change their viewpoint, and start treating the consumer like a customer again, instead of a thief. So why don't you man up and post something worthwhile, instead of accusing everyone of stealing.
Ahh yes, out of the mouth of babes. So you have never stolen a song? Wow...I am impressed.
Your sad assumptions about being a "shill" whilst parroting remarks by someone else shows how unoriginal your thoughts are.
Who should start treating the consumer like a customer? They are not the sellers or music. The members that are part of the RIAA do so on their own volition. They are protecting the people they serve...record companies not consumers.
So why don't you look into what they do before you go posting another "I'm grumpy" on your myspace page.
Yet another uninformed and idiotic post by the corporate shill. You can continue your rants about how much you support the RIAA with someone else in this thread. I'm done responding to a close minded person like yourself. Oh yeah, and I didn't assume you were a shill, someone else in the thread did, then you opened your mouth and proved it.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
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Dang, your are a corporate shill, windsong had you pegged.
Hunh, so I guess in your world where "sharing" is legal...so what I wanted to share your food in your refrigerator...or perhaps your petrol in your car?
So do not give me some lame emo excuse that since everyone is doing it, I can too. Got no spine to man up and work for something?
Until you can find a better solution, it is stealing plain and simple.
Where in any of my posts did I say I stole music or downloaded illeagally? That is a poor assumption that you have made on your own. It is exactly the type of attitude and corporate ideals you represent. The RIAA, a rich and powerful organization, has the attitude that the very people that put them in that position are stealing from them. Its a very paraniod view. Maybe they should change their viewpoint, and start treating the consumer like a customer again, instead of a thief. So why don't you man up and post something worthwhile, instead of accusing everyone of stealing.
Ahh yes, out of the mouth of babes. So you have never stolen a song? Wow...I am impressed.
Your sad assumptions about being a "shill" whilst parroting remarks by someone else shows how unoriginal your thoughts are.
Who should start treating the consumer like a customer? They are not the sellers or music. The members that are part of the RIAA do so on their own volition. They are protecting the people they serve...record companies not consumers.
So why don't you look into what they do before you go posting another "I'm grumpy" on your myspace page.
Yet another uninformed and idiotic post by the corporate shill. You can continue your rants about how much you support the RIAA with someone else in this thread. I'm done responding to a close minded person like yourself. Oh yeah, and I didn't assume you were a shill, someone else in the thread did, then you opened your mouth and proved it.
Where did I say "I support RIAA". Sad assumption based on someone that probably gets his/her info from a myspace page.
It is a crime...plain and simple. There is a great Chinese saying that fits..."To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken" I bet you all those emo's out there will be thinking twice before they start uploading music because they want to "share"
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@wahwah,
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but your last post was hilarious.
To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken!? LOL.
Translation, if they don't buy it, sue them into bankruptcy. So you support the RIAA's fear and intimidation tactics? I won't make any assumptions, its a question. There is one thing that is for certain, the RIAA's tactics have made them look evil in the public eye. Not to you I am aware, but you are in the minority.
I'm also not sure where you come up with these my space references, I don't even have an account, you obviously do. I guess that is another child like attempt to discredit someone who can actually think for themselves, instead of being led around like a sheep by the RIAA's propoganda.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
@wahwah,
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but your last post was hilarious.
To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken!? LOL.
Translation, if they don't buy it, sue them into bankruptcy. So you support the RIAA's fear and intimidation tactics? I won't make any assumptions, its a question. There is one thing that is for certain, the RIAA's tactics have made them look evil in the public eye. Not to you I am aware, but you are in the minority.
I'm also not sure where you come up with these my space references, I don't even have an account, you obviously do. I guess that is another child like attempt to discredit someone who can actually think for themselves, instead of being led around like a sheep by the RIAA's propoganda.
Why waist your time, there are more productive things for you to do like steal the latest copy of your favorite bands album, amiright.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
@wahwah,
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but your last post was hilarious.
To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken!? LOL.
Translation, if they don't buy it, sue them into bankruptcy. So you support the RIAA's fear and intimidation tactics? I won't make any assumptions, its a question. There is one thing that is for certain, the RIAA's tactics have made them look evil in the public eye. Not to you I am aware, but you are in the minority.
I'm also not sure where you come up with these my space references, I don't even have an account, you obviously do. I guess that is another child like attempt to discredit someone who can actually think for themselves, instead of being led around like a sheep by the RIAA's propoganda.
Why waist your time, there are more productive things for you to do like steal the latest copy of your favorite bands album, amiright.
Your absolutely right DRX88,
enough said.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
@wahwah,
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but your last post was hilarious.
To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken!? LOL.
Translation, if they don't buy it, sue them into bankruptcy. So you support the RIAA's fear and intimidation tactics? I won't make any assumptions, its a question. There is one thing that is for certain, the RIAA's tactics have made them look evil in the public eye. Not to you I am aware, but you are in the minority.
I'm also not sure where you come up with these my space references, I don't even have an account, you obviously do. I guess that is another child like attempt to discredit someone who can actually think for themselves, instead of being led around like a sheep by the RIAA's propoganda.
Why waist your time, there are more productive things for you to do like steal the latest copy of your favorite bands album, amiright.
Waist...hmmm...did you fail english as well as ethics classes. What is the mood today on your myspace page...giddy.
Is your last statement a question or a statement...or both? I am not so sure that with your limited knowledge of anything but your self centered world that you can tell the difference much less phrase anything into a logical argument.
What did the RIAA do to you, DRM your Britney albums so where you cant share it on date night with your other panty waste friends?
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was tenenbaum hired by the riaa to take the fall? was he paid front money for the FINE?
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Originally posted by wahwah1:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
@wahwah,
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but your last post was hilarious.
To scare the monkey, you kill the chicken!? LOL.
Translation, if they don't buy it, sue them into bankruptcy. So you support the RIAA's fear and intimidation tactics? I won't make any assumptions, its a question. There is one thing that is for certain, the RIAA's tactics have made them look evil in the public eye. Not to you I am aware, but you are in the minority.
I'm also not sure where you come up with these my space references, I don't even have an account, you obviously do. I guess that is another child like attempt to discredit someone who can actually think for themselves, instead of being led around like a sheep by the RIAA's propoganda.
Why waist your time, there are more productive things for you to do like steal the latest copy of your favorite bands album, amiright.
Waist...hmmm...did you fail english as well as ethics classes. What is the mood today on your myspace page...giddy.
Is your last statement a question or a statement...or both? I am not so sure that with your limited knowledge of anything but your self centered world that you can tell the difference much less phrase anything into a logical argument.
What did the RIAA do to you, DRM your Britney albums so where you cant share it on date night with your other panty waste friends?
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