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What does the law state for modding?
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 10:16 |
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With the article of the 27 year old getting busted, I am simply confused. Are we apparently not allowed to have backups of games we own? Is everyone here dropping their services? I always understand it wasn't the flashing that was illegal but selling pirated games. I was going to post some ads on craigslist, but heard people are getting busted on there. Any thoughts? If it were so illegal why don't they shut down the sites? How is afterdawn allowed to post topics and guides on how to do these mods if they are illegal? This simply makes no sense.
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AfterDawn Addict
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7. August 2009 @ 10:20 |
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modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 10:28 |
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and why would anyone do it for free?
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AfterDawn Addict
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7. August 2009 @ 10:29 |
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some people have friends and family. i.e. me, i don't make a profit.
EDIT: anymore
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7. August 2009 @ 10:36 |
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If you are asking these kind of questions, I would contact an Admin/Moderator here and ask them.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 10:45 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
some people have friends and family. i.e. me, i don't make a profit.
EDIT: anymore
As of this week? LOL. I was making a killing!
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AfterDawn Addict
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7. August 2009 @ 10:46 |
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it's not bad if you have business.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 10:48 |
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That's the problem. Who wants to flash for people now that people are getting busted. I've heard craigslist is one to stay away from.
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7. August 2009 @ 10:50 |
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its not worth it period, you seen what kinda jail time and fines these guys are getting? it would be one hell of a crushing blow to your life to have to go throught that. just my 2 cents.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 10:56 |
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How long have you been off flashing?
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7. August 2009 @ 11:22 |
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i stopped flashing people when i got thrown in jail for public nudity.
Come talk with us on efnet at #elitemods !!! or just click ME
ALSO, DO NOT SEND ME MESSAGES ON LIVE REGARDING MODDING CONSOLES, OR HOW I PLAYED A CERTAIN GAME EARLY. I WILL NOT RESPOND. I WILL INSTEAD DELETE YOUR MESSAGE, AND BLOCK ALL COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. JUST SEND ME A PM ON HERE. |
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 11:23 |
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Originally posted by wabashman:
i stopped flashing people when i got thrown in jail for public nudity.
I know you've done it for people on here. Are you still doing it? Seriously...LOL
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AfterDawn Addict
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7. August 2009 @ 11:52 |
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Originally posted by techman29:
Originally posted by wabashman:
i stopped flashing people when i got thrown in jail for public nudity.
I know you've done it for people on here. Are you still doing it? Seriously...LOL
No dude he stopped, didn't you hear him? (i heard he made an ass of himself! lol)
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 12:00 |
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I was just wondering how you guys were affected on the xbox flashing. I am sure we'll all lose now.
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360lifer
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7. August 2009 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
It's illegal as you are changing MS's software to be used in a way that's not intended. This isn't a grey area like making a back up of a cd that you own, this is pure 100% illegal.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 13:26 |
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so making a backup of your game is different than making a backup of a CD. The rights are the same.
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7. August 2009 @ 13:46 |
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like homesick said, it's the firmware flashing for profit that got the person busted.
because ixtreme/xtreme firmware allows you to run games that are not on original pressed discs, it makes modding, in general, borderline legal. for personal use, it's supposedly fine, but if you do it for profit, it's illegal.
ps2: v7 scph-39001 - independence exploit - hdloader 0.8c - maxtor 300gb hdd
(+[__]%) psp slim ta-085v1: 6.60 PRO B10
wii (powered by bootmii/priiloader): 4.1u - d2x v10beta53-alt (base 56) - configurable usb loader v70r51/devolution r188 - wd scorpio black 7200rpm 320gig w/ ams venus ds2 enclosure
got a whole lot more to list . . .
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360lifer
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7. August 2009 @ 13:50 |
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Originally posted by cee43ja1:
like homesick said, it's the firmware flashing for profit that got the person busted.
because ixtreme/xtreme firmware allows you to run games that are not on original pressed discs, it makes modding, in general, borderline legal. for personal use, it's supposedly fine, but if you do it for profit, it's illegal.
Their firmware isn't 100% of their making, they simply change MS's firmware which is illegal.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 14:04 |
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Wonder if you sold someone a DVD drive and then flashed it for free on how that would work?
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7. August 2009 @ 14:05 |
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Originally posted by 360lifer:
Originally posted by cee43ja1:
like homesick said, it's the firmware flashing for profit that got the person busted.
because ixtreme/xtreme firmware allows you to run games that are not on original pressed discs, it makes modding, in general, borderline legal. for personal use, it's supposedly fine, but if you do it for profit, it's illegal.
Their firmware isn't 100% of their making, they simply change MS's firmware which is illegal.
Yes, the PEOPLE who change Microsofts code, that is illegal. They are modifying Microsoft code without their permission. Again, I'm sure playing backed up games is frowned upon, but you DEFINITELY cross the line when you charge money to do such modifications.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 14:09 |
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sucks. I thought we were moving forward with the new Lite-on being cracked. Oh well, all good things always come to an end.
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7. August 2009 @ 14:12 |
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Get a real job. Become a family man. :)
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 14:15 |
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yep. lol
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JMack420
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7. August 2009 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by techman29:
Wonder if you sold someone a DVD drive and then flashed it for free on how that would work?
that would be like selling a legal bong and throwing in the weed for free. might have a tough time explaining that one also...
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qwert99
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7. August 2009 @ 15:14 |
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Circumventing copy protection by any means is a crime in the USA as of 1998 when the DMCA was passed.
Whether your create that firmware or just use it, it is a crime. This has nothing to do with charging money for the service or not charging money. There is no grey area.
The situation with CDs and tapes is different because there is no copy protection on CDs and tapes.
That being said, there are TONS of people out there who violate the DMCA every day. A few of them get popped every year. Just don't be stupid and you'll be okay.
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