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What does the law state for modding?
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 15:14 |
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Not really if as stated above is a true statement. I think weed is a bad example comparing to a xbox mod.
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7. August 2009 @ 15:56 |
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How so? They are both illegal.
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techman29
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7. August 2009 @ 16:00 |
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I think the modding got changed down the road. It seemed to be legal until recently. I actually always thought it was legal to mod your own console you bought. I think the world needs to concentrate on more important things than some kid modding consoles. I mean it's not like he made millions
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7. August 2009 @ 16:35 |
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Originally posted by techman29:
I think the modding got changed down the road. It seemed to be legal until recently. I actually always thought it was legal to mod your own console you bought. I think the world needs to concentrate on more important things than some kid modding consoles. I mean it's not like he made millions
It never got "changed down the road". It has never been legal to modify a console for the purpose of playing backups, even if the backups do happen to be legal.
And the world is still concentrating on more important crimes. It's not like law enforcment is dropping all it's other priorities. They now have the resources and teams to focus on hardware/software piracy. It's a multi billion dollar-a-year crime.
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I mean it's not like he made millions
No. But surely he made hundreds. Now, multiply that by the tens-of-thousands of others who are modding consoles for cash.
That there is enough reason for The Man to start cracking down.
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7. August 2009 @ 17:21 |
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Anyone know if its illegal in the UK?
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13. August 2009 @ 09:36 |
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as far as i know UK is prolly less strict about it but has the same rules, UK, US, & CA all usually follow suite. The others, could care much less.
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13. August 2009 @ 21:29 |
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The only area where it might be a gray area in the U.S. is if you do it just for yourself. If you aren't profiting, and are doing it only for yourself, it would be tough for a solid case against you (although if it is just for you, I don't know how you would get caught in the first place).
The big thing is when you help someone else circumvent copy protection, regardless if it is for free or if they are paying you.
Cliffs notes version:
gray area = Doing it only for yourself and no profiting
Black area = doing it for others, regardless if you are getting paid.
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13. August 2009 @ 21:31 |
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Well, I wouldn't call it a grey area, but if you only mod your own console it's pretty dang hard to get caught.
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13. August 2009 @ 22:13 |
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I would call it a gray area because it really could go either way if it went to court.
But I agree, only way you could get caught is if you show it off.
Pride, probably one of the biggest reasons some people will get caught.
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qwert99
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13. August 2009 @ 22:17 |
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DMCA says circumventing copy protection for any reason, even for private use, is not legal. Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Of course you'd have to try very hard to get prosecuted for DMCA violations if all you have done is mod your own gaming console.
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14. August 2009 @ 16:31 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
The way it was explained to me recently was:
softmodding (flashing) is 100% illegal, as you're altering copyrighted software on the machine to force it to act in a way unintended.
hardmodding (modchips) is borderline legal, because you don't alter any copyrighted material on the the machine. The modchip contains everything needed to circumvent protection, and is simply considered an add-on.
I'm no expert on this by any means, it just sounded pretty logical to me.
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14. August 2009 @ 16:48 |
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Originally posted by eebeejay:
Originally posted by homesick:
modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
The way it was explained to me recently was:
softmodding (flashing) is 100% illegal, as you're altering copyrighted software on the machine to force it to act in a way unintended.
hardmodding (modchips) is borderline legal, because you don't alter any copyrighted material on the the machine. The modchip contains everything needed to circumvent protection, and is simply considered an add-on.
I'm no expert on this by any means, it just sounded pretty logical to me.
You bought the modchip and are using it to circumvent the copyrighted material.
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14. August 2009 @ 16:51 |
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Originally posted by andmill11:
Originally posted by eebeejay:
Originally posted by homesick:
modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
The way it was explained to me recently was:
softmodding (flashing) is 100% illegal, as you're altering copyrighted software on the machine to force it to act in a way unintended.
hardmodding (modchips) is borderline legal, because you don't alter any copyrighted material on the the machine. The modchip contains everything needed to circumvent protection, and is simply considered an add-on.
I'm no expert on this by any means, it just sounded pretty logical to me.
You bought the modchip and are using it to circumvent the copyrighted material.
I agree with andmill on this one. Of course I am not an expert, either.
By the way, andmill, is your screen name short for "Andy Millman" by any chance? :D
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15. August 2009 @ 13:17 |
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What i don't understand is if you bought your xbox you should be able to change or do whatever it is you want to do with it...you know?
its like buying a civic and dropping a prelude motor in it.. thats how i see it. Still drives but just goes faster.
the whole law just sucks. if they don't want us to mod then make it impossible. which the act of making something uncrackable is near impossible itself, but still.
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15. August 2009 @ 13:52 |
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I agree, for what it's worth. It's a stupid law. Hopefully one day it will go away, but I doubt it.
If it makes you feel any better, when the law was being passed in 1998, it was a huge deal. The gaming community came out big time against it at the time, and there were major blogs (before the word was coined) reporting on it. Basically everyone was calling it an end of the world type scenario. Obviously it wasn't the end of the world, but it still ended up being a real pain.
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15. August 2009 @ 15:14 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by andmill11:
Originally posted by eebeejay:
Originally posted by homesick:
modding you box it boderline legal. the reason that guy got bustend was he "modded boxes" for a profit. if he did it for free there wouldn't have been a problem. that is the simple version.
The way it was explained to me recently was:
softmodding (flashing) is 100% illegal, as you're altering copyrighted software on the machine to force it to act in a way unintended.
hardmodding (modchips) is borderline legal, because you don't alter any copyrighted material on the the machine. The modchip contains everything needed to circumvent protection, and is simply considered an add-on.
I'm no expert on this by any means, it just sounded pretty logical to me.
You bought the modchip and are using it to circumvent the copyrighted material.
I agree with andmill on this one. Of course I am not an expert, either.
By the way, andmill, is your screen name short for "Andy Millman" by any chance? :D
Nope. It's not andy milonakis either.
You did get the first 3 letters of the first name right and the first 4 letters of the last name right though ;)
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qwert99
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15. August 2009 @ 15:25 |
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Ha....okay, I tried.
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gameover9
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15. August 2009 @ 20:34 |
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Makes you wonder. I am super parnoid after the big bust in cali. Trying to do just repairs but extra $$ makes it tough to give up
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15. August 2009 @ 21:00 |
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Is this debate still going on?
This type of thread usually comes up a few times a year.
It doesn't matter what you try to say. Even when the law is black and white (DMCA says you can not use HARDWARE or SOFTWARE to circumvent copy protection) you still get those that say it is a grey area to make themselves feel better when breaking the law.
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15. August 2009 @ 21:49 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
Is this debate still going on?
This type of thread usually comes up a few times a year.
It doesn't matter what you try to say. Even when the law is black and white (DMCA says you can not use HARDWARE or SOFTWARE to circumvent copy protection) you still get those that say it is a grey area to make themselves feel better when breaking the law.
Yes but when you mix black and white together you get gray ;)
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15. August 2009 @ 22:47 |
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Originally posted by andmill11:
Yes but when you mix black and white together you get gray ;)
If you mix Blue and yellow together you get green. What does that have to do with the law?
Everyone probably would agree that the DMCA is a stupid law. But do you really think the politicians in the USA give a crap?
No they don't!
They just want the money from the lobbyist that push for these crap laws to be passed.
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gameover9
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15. August 2009 @ 23:10 |
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This law ruins my life...LOL
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15. August 2009 @ 23:53 |
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16. August 2009 @ 01:09 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
Originally posted by andmill11:
Yes but when you mix black and white together you get gray ;)
If you mix Blue and yellow together you get green. What does that have to do with the law?
I don't think you got the joke.
You said the law was "black and white" well some people like to mix things up (hence mixing black and white) and this is how gray areas are formed.
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gameover9
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16. August 2009 @ 08:02 |
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I guess we'll be modding our own stuff now
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