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Carmack thinks Sony might release PS4 before new Xbox
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article published on 11 August, 2009
In a recent interview, John Carmack of id Software, touched briefly on the next generation of gaming systems that will replace the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 (PS3) consoles. The interview, with Polish site CD-Action, is primarily about id Software's upcoming shooter Rage, but it is the few words he dedicated to the next-generation of gaming that had caught the interview in tech site's radar.
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11. August 2009 @ 20:13 |
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so in 8 years then seems the ps3 has a shelf life of 10 years!
lets just av 1 reasonably priced, not bloatware gaming platform, instead of this nonsense of exclusives & trojan horse movie players.
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11. August 2009 @ 22:19 |
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An interesting question,that is who will be the first to bring out a new console, it can be answered in how many units are sold how well they are selling and what dose the attach rates look like.
Nintendo is cheap so a new console is out of the question for at least another 5 years, the PS3 is not that old and is slowly picking up momentum add to the fact sony is almost broke I highly doubt they would pull a sega. Unless of coarse the PS4 is a online only console but even that would defy logic when the PS3 could do that as well.
So that leaves the 360 its old but its well supported will MS wait for "a shoe to drop" before they bring out their next best box or will they bring it out in the next 3 years.
IMO MS is more likely to bring us a new console with sony number 2 and Nin dead last.
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11. August 2009 @ 22:38 |
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I think Apple will be next (not really but i would like to see that)
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11. August 2009 @ 23:15 |
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This doesn't matter because I will STILL be playing my PS2.
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11. August 2009 @ 23:29 |
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I'm not sure it would count as next gen, but I would expect nintendo to release something sooner once it's customers start wanting bluray. The xbox360 could easily be retrofited, and sold as a "Xbox Ultimate Blu-Ray edition", but this is not in the capabilities of the WiiWii hardware.
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12. August 2009 @ 04:33 |
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PS4 already has my vote because their has been a rumor that it will have Tivo within it. This is the reason i would go for it over anything else.
Clear and simple.
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Originally posted by bam431:
I think Apple will be next (not really but i would like to see that)
They already are with the iPhone ect, ppl purchasing games from apple must be taking revenue away from the DS, PsP, ect
especially seems the games are so cheap when compared to £30 - £40 for a title for the Nitty or Sony hardware.
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12. August 2009 @ 06:24 |
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Originally posted by borhan9:
PS4 already has my vote because their has been a rumor that it will have Tivo within it. This is the reason i would go for it over anything else.
Clear and simple.
The same rumor existed for the ps3...and they released the "Tivo" style add-on in europe (it's called PlayTV), but never released it in the states. There is no reason why it can't be released in a USA version (numerous people have made a PS3 tivo using linux and external tuners). If you are voting for the PS4's features just because the PS3 still does not have the features we were promised, then I think you will be dissapointed.
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12. August 2009 @ 06:44 |
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Sony cant afford even a rumour about an upcoming PS4 sooner than 2012-13, that will totally kill PS3.
360 i believe will be enhanced but i dont see a new one coming before 2013.
i dont know the specs of the slim PS3 but i believe that sony in time will make some changes too.
Wii is dead but they dont know it yet, especially after summer that both MS and Sony will release major titles, 2010 is the end of it.
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The Xbox 360 had a year on the market over the PS3, and its not hard to see that this extra time came as something of an advantage in terms of unit sales
I am a PS3 fun but IMO that PS3 is in 3rd place has nothing to do with the 1 year lead of the 360.
Main reasons IMO.
-Too many exclusive games have been lost or gone multi.
-The only exclusive that PS3 have that is actually one hell of a game is metal gear solid, correct me if i am wrong.
-1st class Exclusives like God of war III, Heavy rain, Gran Turismo etc will be released almost 4years!! after PS3 release.
-1080p games are much less than we expected to be.
-That is uncrackable. IMO thats a 1mill consoles less at least per year.
-backwards compatibility that has been removed instead of killing PS2 and have PS2 content available at PSStore.
-Last but not less the price, that even tho for the specs may be right
they could easily have 2 versions.
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12. August 2009 @ 07:57 |
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this is gonna be very intresting to watch, its just gonna take a small spark to start some new or intresting things from sony or microsoft, or even nintendo
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12. August 2009 @ 08:18 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Sony cant afford even a rumour about an upcoming PS4 sooner than 2012-13, that will totally kill PS3.
360 i believe will be enhanced but i dont see a new one coming before 2013.
i dont know the specs of the slim PS3 but i believe that sony in time will make some changes too.
Wii is dead but they dont know it yet, especially after summer that both MS and Sony will release major titles, 2010 is the end of it.
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The Xbox 360 had a year on the market over the PS3, and its not hard to see that this extra time came as something of an advantage in terms of unit sales
I am a PS3 fun but IMO that PS3 is in 3rd place has nothing to do with the 1 year lead of the 360.
Main reasons IMO.
-Too many exclusive games have been lost or gone multi.
-The only exclusive that PS3 have that is actually one hell of a game is metal gear solid, correct me if i am wrong.
-1st class Exclusives like God of war III, Heavy rain, Gran Turismo etc will be released almost 4years!! after PS3 release.
-1080p games are much less than we expected to be.
-That is uncrackable. IMO thats a 1mill consoles less at least per year.
-backwards compatibility that has been removed instead of killing PS2 and have PS2 content available at PSStore.
-Last but not less the price, that even tho for the specs may be right
they could easily have 2 versions.
Uncharted, infamous, LBP are some incredible hell-of-a-game exclusives. Uncharted 2 will be right up there with MGS, as the devs have had a couple of years to make major improvements. 720p games look incredible and there is really no need for 1080p versions in the majority of cases. What is needed is more substance. I think the PS3 will be around for a while longer. But they need to keep the exclusives they have. Give me a few great exclusives a year alongside some solid multi-platforms and I'll be happy. The graphics in most of this gen of gaming are sufficient for me at least. I can wait a few more years for more realism. Sony is definitely gaining momentum, and a few more years of polishing the services and bugs would do it good. It would give them a chance to really start seeing a profit. I agree that a PS4 any time soon would defy logic.
The PS3 lagging the 360 has a lot to do with the 1-year lead. There are numerous threads where this has been vigorously hashed out by people more knowledgeable on the subject than I ever care to be.
Nintendo lost me. But obviously there is a console for everyone. They might show up on my radar if they reinvent themselves and develop a console more in line with Sony and MS, but in the direction they are going now, you couldn't give me a chipped Wii.
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12. August 2009 @ 09:17 |
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If Carmack thinks that the PS4 will be released before the new Xbox then Carmack is a retard.
EDIT: What's up with the stretch?
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Originally posted by bam431:
I think Apple will be next (not really but i would like to see that)
Since Apple is so good at games on the mac....
Besides, I don't have the minimum of $1000 that Apple would want for a product.
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Sony cant afford even a rumour about an upcoming PS4 sooner than 2012-13, that will totally kill PS3.
360 i believe will be enhanced but i dont see a new one coming before 2013.
i dont know the specs of the slim PS3 but i believe that sony in time will make some changes too.
Wii is dead but they dont know it yet, especially after summer that both MS and Sony will release major titles, 2010 is the end of it.
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The Xbox 360 had a year on the market over the PS3, and its not hard to see that this extra time came as something of an advantage in terms of unit sales
I am a PS3 fun but IMO that PS3 is in 3rd place has nothing to do with the 1 year lead of the 360.
Main reasons IMO.
-Too many exclusive games have been lost or gone multi.
-The only exclusive that PS3 have that is actually one hell of a game is metal gear solid, correct me if i am wrong.
-1st class Exclusives like God of war III, Heavy rain, Gran Turismo etc will be released almost 4years!! after PS3 release.
-1080p games are much less than we expected to be.
-That is uncrackable. IMO thats a 1mill consoles less at least per year.
-backwards compatibility that has been removed instead of killing PS2 and have PS2 content available at PSStore.
-Last but not less the price, that even tho for the specs may be right
they could easily have 2 versions.
Uncharted, infamous, LBP are some incredible hell-of-a-game exclusives. Uncharted 2 will be right up there with MGS, as the devs have had a couple of years to make major improvements. 720p games look incredible and there is really no need for 1080p versions in the majority of cases. What is needed is more substance. I think the PS3 will be around for a while longer. But they need to keep the exclusives they have. Give me a few great exclusives a year alongside some solid multi-platforms and I'll be happy. The graphics in most of this gen of gaming are sufficient for me at least. I can wait a few more years for more realism. Sony is definitely gaining momentum, and a few more years of polishing the services and bugs would do it good. It would give them a chance to really start seeing a profit. I agree that a PS4 any time soon would defy logic.
The PS3 lagging the 360 has a lot to do with the 1-year lead. There are numerous threads where this has been vigorously hashed out by people more knowledgeable on the subject than I ever care to be.
Nintendo lost me. But obviously there is a console for everyone. They might show up on my radar if they reinvent themselves and develop a console more in line with Sony and MS, but in the direction they are going now, you couldn't give me a chipped Wii.
A few more years of polishing services to get the PS3 right? I was a sony fanboy back in the day, and I had to face it. Right now, they make an overrated and overpriced system. They showed off the PS3 back in 2005 at E3, so I think they have had way more than enough time to get it right. Really, they are looking more like the Dreamcast every day - even though they have the most powerful system, there aren't enough great exclusives. To make matters worse, I can't even count on one hand a game that looks substantially better on the PS3 than the 360. I find myself seeing that games look better on the 360 than the PS3. Look at GTA4 or even Madden 09.
Don't get me wrong, I would totally buy a PS3 when they lower the price and get a slim version, but I would still find myself favoring it for only a couple games, like MGS or God of War.
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12. August 2009 @ 11:09 |
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Are you suggesting that my comment was fanboyish? Yes, a few more years and updates, and the PS3 will become more polished, just like the 360 with its dashboard updates. Both system are working to to make improvements. Maybe Home will offer more and will get to the point where it's the model for the future Sony system. Because right now it's a POS.
And what do you mean by "getting it right?" They put out a solid system that didn't blow up. It's been a bugger to program for, but devs are coming around. Did MS get it right by stripping their system down numerous times to offer multiple models at lower prices? Maybe, they did. It's definitely a valid argument that Sony was wrong to offer the console at such an initial high price. That really won't matter anymore if in fact there is a price cut.
360 and PS3 are both powerful systems, each with their flaws. The "overpriced" PS3 argument is old and overused. Depending on what type of gamer you are, you can spend about as much or as little on a 360 as on a PS3. Depending on what each game system has to offer, and what peripherals you find the need to purchase, you can spend a pretty penny on each one. If the only benchmark you have is MGS and GOW type games, then you're really limiting yourself and will probably setting yourself up for severe disappointment in the years to come. No point in arguing about game selection. That's completely objective.
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I don't see how the 360 is outdated in relation to the PS3. The graphics for both consoles are pretty similar. Sometimes the 360 version of a game looks better, sometimes the PS3 version does. And one dual-layer DVD disc is sufficient for the vast majority of 360 games. Aside from Metal Gear Solid 4 and JRPGs (some of which still only use 1 DL DVD), why would you need extra capacity? All that space in MGS4 and jrpgs is used on HD video cutscenes anyway, which could easily be replaced with in-game engine cutscenes that take up a lot less space. There is no pressing need for games to adopt Blu-Ray. Anyone who grew up with multi-disc Playstation 1 games knows that multi-disc games are not a big deal anyway.
I don't want to sound like I'm saying "in my day, four discs was nothing. Phantasmagoria was on seven discs and you couldn't install it to your hard drive!" But really, it doesn't really kill you to disc swap a game a few times. *plays disc 1 for X amount of hours* *swaps in disc 2* *repeat with each additional disc*. Is that so bad?
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The 360 is old and has much less forward potential than the PS3 of coarse as long as MS supports it will do well, well up to the first 3 years of whatever next next gen console pops up.
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
I'm not sure it would count as next gen, but I would expect nintendo to release something sooner once it's customers start wanting bluray. The xbox360 could easily be retrofited, and sold as a "Xbox Ultimate Blu-Ray edition", but this is not in the capabilities of the WiiWii hardware.
The wii could be easily retrofitted as well even give it a proper 720P mode for newer games, upscaleing for older a HDMI out it can easily be done.
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Are you suggesting that my comment was fanboyish? Yes, a few more years and updates, and the PS3 will become more polished, just like the 360 with its dashboard updates. Both system are working to to make improvements. Maybe Home will offer more and will get to the point where it's the model for the future Sony system. Because right now it's a POS.
And what do you mean by "getting it right?" They put out a solid system that didn't blow up. It's been a bugger to program for, but devs are coming around. Did MS get it right by stripping their system down numerous times to offer multiple models at lower prices? Maybe, they did. It's definitely a valid argument that Sony was wrong to offer the console at such an initial high price. That really won't matter anymore if in fact there is a price cut.
360 and PS3 are both powerful systems, each with their flaws. The "overpriced" PS3 argument is old and overused. Depending on what type of gamer you are, you can spend about as much or as little on a 360 as on a PS3. Depending on what each game system has to offer, and what peripherals you find the need to purchase, you can spend a pretty penny on each one. If the only benchmark you have is MGS and GOW type games, then you're really limiting yourself and will probably setting yourself up for severe disappointment in the years to come. No point in arguing about game selection. That's completely objective.
I'm in no way calling you a fanboy.
I would just hope that after 3 years of being out, the PS3 would be a little better off by now. Almost from day one, the Xbox has had Xbox Live and I can't really say anything bad about it, besides that you have to pay for it. It not like it's 3 years later and people are still disgusted with it.
I'm not really limiting myself with my game selection, but those are the only PS3 exclusive games I would play. Anything else, I'd prefer my 360, which is practically made for the shooter games I like.
Then again, i'd still pick my Gears of War and Halo games over any PS3 exclusive.
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Are you suggesting that my comment was fanboyish? Yes, a few more years and updates, and the PS3 will become more polished, just like the 360 with its dashboard updates. Both system are working to to make improvements. Maybe Home will offer more and will get to the point where it's the model for the future Sony system. Because right now it's a POS.
And what do you mean by "getting it right?" They put out a solid system that didn't blow up. It's been a bugger to program for, but devs are coming around. Did MS get it right by stripping their system down numerous times to offer multiple models at lower prices? Maybe, they did. It's definitely a valid argument that Sony was wrong to offer the console at such an initial high price. That really won't matter anymore if in fact there is a price cut.
360 and PS3 are both powerful systems, each with their flaws. The "overpriced" PS3 argument is old and overused. Depending on what type of gamer you are, you can spend about as much or as little on a 360 as on a PS3. Depending on what each game system has to offer, and what peripherals you find the need to purchase, you can spend a pretty penny on each one. If the only benchmark you have is MGS and GOW type games, then you're really limiting yourself and will probably setting yourself up for severe disappointment in the years to come. No point in arguing about game selection. That's completely objective.
I'm in no way calling you a fanboy.
I would just hope that after 3 years of being out, the PS3 would be a little better off by now. Almost from day one, the Xbox has had Xbox Live and I can't really say anything bad about it, besides that you have to pay for it. It not like it's 3 years later and people are still disgusted with it.
I'm not really limiting myself with my game selection, but those are the only PS3 exclusive games I would play. Anything else, I'd prefer my 360, which is practically made for the shooter games I like.
Then again, i'd still pick my Gears of War and Halo games over any PS3 exclusive.
I dunno res 1-2 is more interesting than halo "ep" 3 and gears "I'ma a half a game" of war.....
I am a shooter fan mind you but I find corridor(becuse developing anything deeper costs more than they are willing to spend on high dollar shovleware) shooters bland,repetitive and pointless >>
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Originally posted by borhan9:
PS4 already has my vote because their has been a rumor that it will have Tivo within it. This is the reason i would go for it over anything else.
Clear and simple.
If sony is even considering putting a Tivo in the ps4 then they didn't learn anything from the ps3's failure.
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Originally posted by borhan9:
PS4 already has my vote because their has been a rumor that it will have Tivo within it. This is the reason i would go for it over anything else.
Clear and simple.
If sony is even considering putting a Tivo in the ps4 then they didn't learn anything from the ps3's failure.
what are you talking about? im sure it would have to be an optional feature(because you have to pay monthly for tivo), and how would this hurt PS4 sales at all? if anything it would improve sales.
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Originally posted by borhan9:
PS4 already has my vote because their has been a rumor that it will have Tivo within it. This is the reason i would go for it over anything else.
Clear and simple.
If sony is even considering putting a Tivo in the ps4 then they didn't learn anything from the ps3's failure.
what are you talking about? im sure it would have to be an optional feature(because you have to pay monthly for tivo), and how would this hurt PS4 sales at all? if anything it would improve sales.
you can get a life time subscription for 200 or so bucks, sony could haggle that down to 50$ or less or make a deal with them to do it for free.
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i can see how sony might be able to drop costs
Originally posted by fun2000:
Your friend in nam is not lying. She has a modded PS2, and the modder was generous enough to relabel the PS2 to PS3.
Then the pirate selling games relabeled Assassins Creed 1 and called it Assassins Creed 2. This is called marketing.
Your friend is honest and thinks she plays AC2 on a PS3. In reality she is playing AC1 on a PS2.
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Think he needs to hurry up and actually put a game out for the current systems before talking about the future.
And who says there will even be a PS4? Sony is no where near getting a profit from the PS3 nor its software. Software sales for the PS3 are simply horrible no matter if it's first party or third. Shoot, third party usually sell better. Only thing that can save the hardware is a big price cut but that would put Sony in even more red. Sony has failed in every way.
All in all, I could care less about the future as the Xbox 360 has everything I want now. And when ever the next consoles do come out, I'll have a huge back log of games to play.
Speaking of games, can't wait for Borderlands. :D
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