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RROD already been xclamped
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EvilToast
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15. August 2009 @ 20:09 |
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I bought my 360 off of ebay awhile back; I wanted an older model that was easier to flash with iXtreme. Its was working without any issues for about a year now, but about a week ago it froze up during the middle of playing a game and rebooted to a black screen and the ever joyful three blinking red lights.
I had learned of the x-clamp fix awhile back and figured I'd try my hand at it since worse case it would still be not working afterwards.
Bought a x-clamp repair kit off ebay:http://miniurl.org/TSb
Opened up my 360 this afternoon, and saw some stuff that threw me for a loop.
For one, my 360 has no case screws. Now, I noticed the screws to hold the two metal halves were missing when I was flashing the firmware, but didn't notice that every single screw was missing. But they were. Nothing holding the dvd drive in, nothing holding the fan cover in, nothing holding the mobo down, etc.
Second, the 360 had no x-clamps. It looks like whoever I bought this thing from on ebay had already done the fix.
Regardless, I unscrewed the heat sinks, removed the thermal paste (which was a pain and a half, whoever put that stuff on last caked that gunk all over both the CPU and GPU), let the rubbing alcohol dry, put the new thermal paste on, screwed the heatsinks back on (screwing the screws in a little at a time each), baked the GPU for 20 minutes, let the thing cool for 15, tested it again, still the RROD.
Any ideas? Should I do the penny fix? I've also heard of an x-clamp fix that drills through the case?
Thanks for any opinions
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gameover9
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15. August 2009 @ 20:32 |
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Xclamps suck. Search on reflow
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15. August 2009 @ 21:23 |
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It all depends on how you do it. Xclamp replacement will fix any of the rrod errors but not e73 or e74. For the e73-e74 errors you will need a reflow.
Use the llamma xclamp fix
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/rin...x-clamp_fix.htm
This involves drilling the metal tray which keeps the motherboard secured at 8 more points and helps flatten out the warped board. You should use a thermometer to monitor your temps. This way you can manipulate the air flow to get the gpu as hot as possible.
Just follow the tutorial, goodluck.
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gameover9
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15. August 2009 @ 23:12 |
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I have seen all the xclamps and no xclamp is better than a reflow. Heck I know guys that do it so cheap it's the price of parts you'll have involved in an xclamp and more of a guarantee of a fix. The fact is, Xclamp replacements warp the board and do not last long. If they worked, don't you think M$ would be using a simlar fix?
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16. August 2009 @ 01:08 |
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Actually there's no way the llamma xclamp fix can warp the board. You space 4mm under the board in the middle at 8 points and the sides are 4mm tall. What exactly is flexing the board at that point? So instead of the 9 screws that hold the board to the metal chasis you have almost double. I don't see any downfall in that design. You just want to think that a reflow is the best but really it doesn't hold the board at all while it's reflowing. Yes it's better for certain problems but for the rrod the xclamp replacement can be better than a reflow.
You put the xclamps back on after a reflow right?
That's just like changing the filter in your car and leaving the oil. You may have got the xbox working again but the xclamp is still putting pressure on the bottom of the board. With enough heatcycles the problem will come back.
Case in point...
The green xbox i modded a long time ago was a refurb from ms. I threw in a talismoon fan and cut the back for cooling mods. It returned to me a couple months ago with rrod, almost a year and a half later. I put the xclamp fix on it, overheated it and it's been perfect ever since. I never once had one returned to me that's had the xclamp fix applied, you could call it luck or you can call it an actual fix.
You can't argue with the facts man, there's no way the board will flex with that fix done properly. I doubt many people are doing it right and that sadly reflects on fix and not the skill of the person performing the fix.
Don't get me wrong when i finally get my car back together i'll be buying an actual reflow station, but right now it's not really worth the money or the hassle. I can fix any of the rrod errors with my own fix.
There's so many xclamp replacement tutorials around, some of them work and some of them don't. People say they need to retighten the screws or retune them...i think that's just bs. They obviously don't know what they're doing and they then discredit the fix.
It just pisses me off....
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EvilToast
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16. August 2009 @ 01:31 |
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I'm sure that the extra screws holding the board to the case help prevent future errors, but don't forget that I'm missing ALL the screws in the xbox case. Should I look into getting replacement screws for everything along with getting the stuff for the llama xclamp fix?
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16. August 2009 @ 03:37 |
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gameover9
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16. August 2009 @ 08:03 |
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Wow. I can't read that book....anyway could care less. No xclamp will ever be better or as good as a reflow...period.
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coorva
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16. August 2009 @ 10:32 |
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i have done many a xboxs with the xclamp and heat fix,,all have worked real well,,but i will agree that the reflow fix is the best because i do that with the ps3,,you cant xclamp them,,but if you reflow and xclamp,,i think your good to go for a long time,,cheers
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gameover9
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16. August 2009 @ 10:48 |
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Originally posted by coorva:
i have done many a xboxs with the xclamp and heat fix,,all have worked real well,,but i will agree that the reflow fix is the best because i do that with the ps3,,you cant xclamp them,,but if you reflow and xclamp,,i think your good to go for a long time,,cheers
Are you using a certain kit or screws and washers?
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coorva
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16. August 2009 @ 20:13 |
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just regular screws and washers,,i think the kit is a waste,,as long as its a proper fit,,shouldnt go wrong,,but in certian cases,,if you have done a good reflow,,you dont need screws and washers,,i put them there just for extra hold,,cheers
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