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Upeer
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30. August 2009 @ 19:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by gawdtwyn:
i don't know but its seems you are having a horible time getting whatever it is that your burning.just a thought do you think its your burner,only reason im saying this is because.i have been using both memorex and verbatims and never really get coasters,and if i do its more than likely that my anti virus pops on to do a scan.and i have seen people post the log,so other members can see where your problem might be stemming from.but like i said just thought
I'm not ready to rule anything out, as I mentioned though, I have tried to burn from 2 different burners, both with the same results.
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30. August 2009 @ 20:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Upeer:
Right I totally understand what you are saying, I'm just not certain that you fully understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to argue with you.

I understand that low quality media will randomly fail to burn successfully. That isn't exactly the problem I'm having though. Some files burn every time I try, regardless of media. Some files I attempt always fail, every time. There is no element of randomness to what fails and what succeeds as there should be with media being the problem. I am going to try the better media and see if it solves the problem.


with that being said, and the file passes agbx, then it is simply just the different complexity of the file that is being burned that the media does not like. still the media's fault.

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30. August 2009 @ 21:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by homesick:

with that being said, and the file passes agbx, then it is simply just the different complexity of the file that is being burned that the media does not like. still the media's fault.
That will be tested tomorrow and I'll update.
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31. August 2009 @ 10:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Wanted to put in a vote for Media...

Verbs all the way at 2.4x...
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31. August 2009 @ 23:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well the Verbatims seem to be working fine. First burn works perfectly, making another right now. No issues to report, and no doubt that this 2nd burn will be fine.

I still find it extremely odd that the 1st burn I did I tried at least 4 times on bad media, between 2 different burners. Why would that particular game always fail on that media? Some other games I burned multiple times on the same junky media and they burned fine every time. Are some game files just more complex than others and therefore are more demanding of quality media?
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1. September 2009 @ 00:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Possibly. Anyways I'm glad you got it working.

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1. September 2009 @ 09:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
That was an interesting problem you had with the same files always failing to burn even on different burners. I'm glad you got them to work. I started using Verbs from the beginning just because everyone recommends them and of course they're right. I only had 3 Verb coasters when I first started burning and that was because I had an old burner. Got a new one and now it's all good. So yes Verbatims FTW!
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1. September 2009 @ 19:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
upper refer back to my previous post before this one. glad you got it working. class dismissed.

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2. September 2009 @ 02:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Upeer:
Well the Verbatims seem to be working fine. First burn works perfectly, making another right now. No issues to report, and no doubt that this 2nd burn will be fine.

I still find it extremely odd that the 1st burn I did I tried at least 4 times on bad media, between 2 different burners. Why would that particular game always fail on that media? Some other games I burned multiple times on the same junky media and they burned fine every time. Are some game files just more complex than others and therefore are more demanding of quality media?

Holy Schnykies this feels like my fuck*** statistics class!!!! I respect the senior members here alot with having to put with this and with such patience! Upeer, you got responses from the "longer fuse" guys, your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch.

Ubeer, No need to worry about the complexities and ponder upon the lack of "randomness" in results of succesful burns and coasters found in any media that isnt verbatim because the answer is always, V-E-R-B-A-T-I-M

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2. September 2009 @ 08:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
im not a senior member cause i know what i am talking about, apparantlly i just like to type alot. :)

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2. September 2009 @ 11:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
After a friend backed up my games and gave them to me on Memorex, I kept getting disc read errors. This led me to jump on Verbatims bandwagon, and I am never leaving. My Xbox has never had a problem with disc read errors since, and it even runs quieter. Even if the game plays fine, people need to realize how much stress it could be putting on their drive. Audibly, there was a HUGE difference!
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2. September 2009 @ 12:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by MReprogle:
After a friend backed up my games and gave them to me on Memorex, I kept getting disc read errors. This led me to jump on Verbatims bandwagon, and I am never leaving. My Xbox has never had a problem with disc read errors since, and it even runs quieter. Even if the game plays fine, people need to realize how much stress it could be putting on their drive. Audibly, there was a HUGE difference!
I don't think I would call it a bandwagon...a bandwagon to me is people getting together to try and prove something or make other people belive that something works or works better..or is better...

Verbatims being better media is just a fact. It's not really up for debate...there could and may have been bad batches at some point or in the future, but overall the Retail Verbatim DL DVDs are better for backing up xbox 360 games than most other brands...

A fact is a fact is a fact.

Use Verbatim and don't use a cheap burner...facts.
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2. September 2009 @ 13:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Only/Always Verbatum,
anything else is insignificant.

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Upeer
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2. September 2009 @ 15:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by goyankees:


Holy Schnykies this feels like my fuck*** statistics class!!!!


I have a statistics background, how shocking.

Originally posted by goyankees:

your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch.

My lucky what?

Originally posted by goyankees:


Ubeer, No need to worry about the complexities and ponder upon the lack of "randomness" in results of succesful burns and coasters found in any media that isnt verbatim because the answer is always, V-E-R-B-A-T-I-M
Thinking like this would obscure finding any other solution. This is much like if the police only investigated a single suspect at a time. If you have evidence, shouldn't you follow all of it, not just the parts you choose?
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2. September 2009 @ 15:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by homesick:

with that being said, and the file passes agbx, then it is simply just the different complexity of the file that is being burned that the media does not like. still the media's fault.
Ahh, this is pretty much what I ended up theorizing. It certainly fits all of the evidence. Do you know what causes one backup to be "more complex" than another?

This does explain the initial problem I was having where some backups were successful every time and some never. Thank you for mentioning this as I want to understand the actual cause of the problems as much as I appreciate being told the solution.
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2. September 2009 @ 15:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I actually hardly ever use verbatim though they're good (but expensive), I first used RITEK which worked really good on a good burner but bad on a laptop burner, Ridata worked ok but some aren't the best, mirror I bought these once as there were no Ridata and I risked buying 20 and got 20 absolutely perfect burns on a Lite-on 160p6s.
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2. September 2009 @ 16:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Upeer:
Originally posted by goyankees:


Holy Schnykies this feels like my fuck*** statistics class!!!!


Originally posted by upper:
I have a statistics background, how shocking.
Trust me i can tell, isnt statistics annoying ;)

Originally posted by goyankees:

your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch.

Originally posted by upeer:
My lucky what?
I repeat, since you seem to continue asking questions when youve already been answered, " your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch."

Originally posted by upeer:
Originally posted by goyankees:


Ubeer, No need to worry about the complexities and ponder upon the lack of "randomness" in results of succesful burns and coasters found in any media that isnt verbatim because the answer is always, V-E-R-B-A-T-I-M
Thinking like this would obscure finding any other solution. This is much like if the police only investigated a single suspect at a time. If you have evidence, shouldn't you follow all of it, not just the parts you choose?

Dude, you have the solutionnnn. Your over processing this whole situation. Every question your posing is due to media. It always works on one file because that media liked that file, it never worked on one file because the media didnt like the file. If crappy media 99.9% of the time made succesful burns then they would be called VERBATIMS and if crappy media (the ones you used b4 verbs) 99.9% of the time made you coasters they would be called crappy media and if your in between these two examples its because your using crappy media, hence what weve being saying to you.

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2. September 2009 @ 16:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by goyankees:

I can tell with the yippity yappity clacking your bringing to the table and disregard for what people in here tell you. This is not a statistics class, this is you come in here and you ask us a simpleton question, we answer, and yet you continue blabbing after your questions answered.

You don't read very well do you? I know, it's sad that today's education system doesn't provide properly for people like you. I'll help you though, because I'm generous. This is not a statistics class, it's applied use. Their is a big difference.

Originally posted by goyankees:


I repeat, since you seem to continue asking questions when youve already been answered, " your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch."

I find this one a but funnier, so I'll not give you the answer so easily, I'll simply repeat myself. My lucky what? I don't expect you to get it, I blame public schooling.

Originally posted by goyankees:

Dude, you have the solutionnnn! Your over processing this whole situation. Everything your posing is due to media. It always works on one file because that media liked that file, it never worked on one file because the media didnt like the file, since it is bad media to begin with thats why your having these problems, hence VERBATIM.
Since when do objects have feelings? You may be content to not understand things, as evidenced above. I am not however, I not only want to know the solution, but also the reason that the solution works. Your suggestion above is absurd. Recordable DVDs do not have feelings. Homesick mentioned something though that I believe is the root cause of the issue. I look forward to hearing more about it.
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2. September 2009 @ 16:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Your drive has problems burning certain games on crap media because some contain more empty data but some have more data that's not empty and it fails because it can't burn the proper data, but it can burn zero layered data easily because it's the same from the start of the empty data sector to the end. The further the laser moves out the more trouble it has on bigger games with lots of varied data but with blank data it has less work.

And that's why ghwt burns (smaller game) and cod4 doesn't (big game)

Does that answer your questions?

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2. September 2009 @ 16:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Myself and over 10 friends will stick with Memorex. Thou, the 11th friend had to use Verb because his refurb Hitachi don't got much life left in it.

Yeah yeah, we know Verb higher quality but isn't worth three times the cost. And no, none of us have been banned.


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2. September 2009 @ 16:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by upeer:
Originally posted by Upeer:
Originally posted by goyankees:

I can tell with the yippity yappity clacking your bringing to the table and disregard for what people in here tell you. This is not a statistics class, this is you come in here and you ask us a simpleton question, we answer, and yet you continue blabbing after your questions answered.

You don't read very well do you? I know, it's sad that today's education system doesn't provide properly for people like you. I'll help you though, because I'm generous. This is not a statistics class, it's applied use. Their is a big difference.
ROFL, ima let your snarky remark slide because as everyone can notice i rethought what i initially wrote to you but i felt bad so i put the brakes on and removed it and composed myself. Sorry you had to see that bro. lol

Originally posted by goyankees:


I repeat, since you seem to continue asking questions when youve already been answered, " your lucky you didnt get the other half of the bunch."

I find this one a but funnier, so I'll not give you the answer so easily, I'll simply repeat myself. My lucky what? I don't expect you to get it, I blame public schooling.

Originally posted by upeer:
Originally posted by goyankees:

Dude, you have the solutionnnn! Your over processing this whole situation. Everything your posing is due to media. It always works on one file because that media liked that file, it never worked on one file because the media didnt like the file, since it is bad media to begin with thats why your having these problems, hence VERBATIM.
Since when do objects have feelings? You may be content to not understand things, as evidenced above. I am not however, I not only want to know the solution, but also the reason that the solution works. Your suggestion above is absurd. Recordable DVDs do not have feelings. Homesick mentioned something though that I believe is the root cause of the issue. I look forward to hearing more about it.

Im glad your online so you can respond quick to this. Your absolutely right, what im saying is absurd. I hope you solve your problem at hand. ;)
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2. September 2009 @ 16:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by 360lifer:
Myself and over 10 friends will stick with Memorex. Thou, the 11th friend had to use Verb because his refurb Hitachi don't got much life left in it.

Yeah yeah, we know Verb higher quality but isn't worth three times the cost. And no, none of us have been banned.
I buy Ritek, Ridata, Mirror, Aone and they all work. Mirror and Ritek work the best in my opinion so there's no difference between verbs and mirrors for me except the price. At one stage I had BenQ discs and they worked but Hitachi didn't like them, but I have a Samsung :)

Also the Ritek worked better in a Hitachi than Verbatim did, Ritek didn't start skipping during spin up.

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2. September 2009 @ 17:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm still stuck with Verbs...I hear people saying a different brand works and then there is an "except with...".

I've used verbs with cheap drives, expensive drives, half working drives with no isses...just my experience.

How much are you folks spending on verbs anyway? They are only about a $1.10 a piece...if that is to much for a $40 game...well..not sure what to say...you buy your other brands...one fails...you are already over the price of a verb...

I get it...if you have a combination of a drive and media that works...great...but don't say "This media is GREAT!!!...except with this drive on a Sunday when the football game is on and it's raining.."..heheh..if it was GREAT it would work all the time in any drive..

Not real serious here but people are going to be reading these posts looking for opinions and probably drunk, high or tired and misread or think that this "other" brand will work in their drive...and chance are it won't...or onl some will..and then you'll have that person posting "I burnt this game 5 times on this media, but when I went to burn this other game...it wouldn't...what is the scientific reason why it doesn't work while the football game is on and it's raining...

haha..
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2. September 2009 @ 17:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Upeer:
Their is a big difference.
Their what?
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2. September 2009 @ 17:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by steo2k8:


Does that answer your questions?
Perfectly, thanks a ton.
 
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