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Are modchips for the wii going the way of the dodo?
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angeteen
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5. September 2009 @ 03:54 |
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Thanks to having been boneheaded enough to delete a few IOS that were critical to my Wii, I had to go out and get a new one. Instead of fooling with a modchip, I just softmodded it, and saved myself a little over 100. Then I started thinking...what *do* I need a modchip for anyway?
Not to toot my own horn, but aren't modchip just for those who don't want to learn how to do things the longer (but cheaper) method? I mean, as long as I can get my backups to work, I could care less if it is the result of a chip, or the result of some fancy system tweaking.
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6. September 2009 @ 01:37 |
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Not everyone is daring or savvy enough to do softmodding and keep track of the details associated with softmodding.
I would NEVER softmod a Wii for friends or family that I have to "support".
Harmodding is much more reliable and "maintenance free" in that regard.
A sampling of this forum and the number of softmod questions/problems vs. hardmod problems is testimony to that.
Oh, and BTW my own Wii is chipped AND softmodded.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 6. September 2009 @ 11:08
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6. September 2009 @ 10:52 |
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Also hardmod is best option for those of us with really young children playing the wii. No chance of them deleting a chip.
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6. September 2009 @ 12:42 |
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You should qualify your question a little better. A modchip is only used for playing burned games. Period.
Softmodding opens a much larger world of wads, homebrew, and usb loading (I have 5 kids and I would much rather them just pick a game from a list instead of me blowing through stacks of dvd-r's cause they get too scratched to play)
So you can have both or either but I wouldn't go as far to say that one replaces the need for the other (wait maybe I would say that cause if you're softmodded you don't need a chip)
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angeteen
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8. September 2009 @ 19:54 |
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Hmm...you all bring up some good ideas. I suppose a firmware update could make soft modding useless, but even so, that's when you got idiot family members/kids. I was just talking about soft modding for yourself. I mean, if something comes up, you should be able to handle it to a degree. That...or at least be smart enough not to do something like delete an IOS below 100.
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gullzway
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9. September 2009 @ 02:41 |
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Originally posted by angeteen:
Thanks to having been boneheaded enough to delete a few IOS that were critical to my Wii, I had to go out and get a new one. Instead of fooling with a modchip, I just softmodded it, and saved myself a little over 100. Then I started thinking...what *do* I need a modchip for anyway?
You also cost yourself $250 for a new Wii by having to mess with IOS files which is not necessary with a modchip.
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angeteen
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9. September 2009 @ 14:44 |
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I had some trouble with USB Loader GX, so I thought uninstalling/reinstalling a few things would help. Yes, modchip or not, I like fooling around on the homebrew scene. Still, this is me messing my machine up, aside from others. With other people anything with IOS in it's name get's deleted immediately, not to mention CIOS, firmware upgrader 4.0, and anything else that is going to wind up being just another disaster to happen.
In other words, since most people don't care how it works, but rather that it just works, that leaves things up to me as to decide what is an is not safe. So, yeah, I see your point, modchips allow backups to work without any related knowledge, but not everyone wants to blow $100+ for what someone else can do for you for free. I just happen to like fooling with electronics, so I know how to softmod systems to tweak things a little more to the user's likings. Personally I say doing things via USB is better and faster that having the physical disc which is something you can't just up and do via modchip.
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drakoniss
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9. September 2009 @ 14:58 |
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lol, angteen stop acting like your some genius or whatever. You use stuff people make to mod your wii. If anything wakinkoko is a genius, you just follow instructions and dont use the term tweak cause you dont do any of that.
This is another mod chip vs soft mod debate. Truth is both has its benefits. But in the end people know hard mod is better because nintendo can always patch something until wakinkoko or some other genius finds a way around and then gives the tools for people to use.
Another benefit of the modchip is you can play 3 to 6 gamecube games on one dvd, softmod users cant do this. I personally prefer to have both because if softmodding ever dies which it can. Atleast my games will still boot with my modchip while all your Wiis brick or just dont work.
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9. September 2009 @ 16:08 |
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"but not everyone wants to blow $100+ for what someone else can do for you for free."
Most chips are in the 30 dollar range if you don't add one of those clips. I'm not sure where you are getting the 100+ dollar amount unless you have modders charging that much.
But then again if you are eager to learn then you would be doing it yourself.
I have a softmod and a chip.
I installed the softmod first but got tired of constantly having to update cios,etc. and go through loaders to get a game running.
I like being able to throw a disk in and have it boot up like a normal game without all the work. The girlfriend and her son appreciate the ease of a chip as well.
I hardly use any of the homebrew apps anyway, however softmoding is great for people who are afraid to open up their wiis, don't feel comfortable soldering or don't want to spend any money.
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Wii = w/ Blue XCM ii-case, Wiikey2 & softmodded
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angeteen
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10. September 2009 @ 06:18 |
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Sorry if I sounded like I was bragging. I'm just saying that most people do not want to put the time/effort into learning how to softmod. It is true, that if left on my own, I wouldn't be able to do any of this, but the thing is, I at least take the time to learn how to use what is out there, which is something most casual gamers don't. It's either because they have never heard of the homebrew channel etc., or because they just don't want to do a bunch of downloading/reading/updating. So, while I can't deny I'm nothing special, the fact is not everyone knows even what bit I know. :/
Also, while yes you can fit a number of gamecube games onto a disc, I really don't fool with any of the games (nothing has really caught my eye), so no consequence there. As for easy loading, personally, I do things by USB just for the decreased loading times. The fact you can put USB Loader GX onto the system menu requires at minimum only three or so extra clicks of the remote, so I'm fine with that (that and USB loaders are a good way to tell if you forgot to patch something/if it's compatible with your system before bunring yet another coaster).
As for $100 modchips...sorry, I was thinking of where they solder the chip to the board. :P They do got solderless chips for around $30-$50 or so, but as stated, why pay money, when you can do it for free? That, and it's not just the end result, but challenge of it as well. Sorry, but I'm somewhat of a technophile, so I love to see what I can and can not do with a system. Most of it's just for kicks, than for practical use, so yeah if the entire softmod scene went kaput, I'd worry then, but until then, why bother?
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10. September 2009 @ 11:44 |
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"They do got solderless chips for around $30-$50 or so, but as stated, why pay money, when you can do it for free?"
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"I'd worry then, but until then, why bother? "
IMHO you are completely missing the point and probably won't get it until the first update that knocks out your softmod or a game that you really want to play is unplayable (yes, there are many) on a softmodded system.
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10. September 2009 @ 12:33 |
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I'm mostly in the 360 threads, and this same question was posed to me over there. My answer is:
There is no need for a modchip for 360 or Wii console, unless the user is a complete novice. An experienced user can "maintain" the firmware & cIOS changes and updates, so flashing/softmodding would suffice.
If someone is modding a console for a novice, child, or anyone that can't "maintenance" the console themselves, then a modchip would probably be better suited, to avoid tweaking someone else's console regularly.
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