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Eidos plays trick on Batman: Arkham Asylum pirates
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article published on 9 September, 2009
Some pirates of the new Eidos title, Batman: Arkham Asylum (PC version) might be surprised when they realize a certain "problem" in the game prevents them from advancing through it properly. While some pirates might have thought the copy protection mechanisms were beaten when the game loaded properly, Eidos has (at least) one more trick up its sleeve that probably wasn't suspected.
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dab0ne
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11. September 2009 @ 17:21 |
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Yea you're right, I just get a little upset when someone comes to the site and their major contribution is "You did that? What an idiot!" Please just post your opinion without passing judgment. I'm sure if you scroll back on all 450 of my comments posted on this site I probably said some things about others that I shouldn't have but I like to think that I made some sort of constructive contribution while doing it.
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hmp22
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12. September 2009 @ 19:19 |
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Download speeds on new releases are often very slow in the last 10-15%.
You mean torrent speeds? 'Cause any self-respecting pirate should have a usenet connection, in which case your comment does not apply. Of course, a self-respecting pirate would probably not ask for help on the Eidos forums, but that's neither here nor there.
WHDACV: If I was paying you $37 an hour I would fire your ass just for the grammatical error simply out of principle - and I still wouldn't be as judgmental as you are (or "you're", if you prefer).
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Please just post your opinion without passing judgment.
This whole article is about passing judgment. It's easy for you rich white folks to criticize pirates but a lot of people can't afford the incredibly costly games but desperately want to play them. Does that make it okay to pirate them? Probably not, but there's no reason to act all smug and superior about it. How would you feel if you were never even given a chance at making enough money to buy your games? Most people aren't, so count yourself lucky and stop acting all high and mighty. This is especially true when the victory only lasts for a few days at best before a hacker who is much smarter than you'll ever be patches the copy protection.
And one more thing before I go, just for all the people who used the word "steal/stole/stolen/etc":
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dab0ne
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12. September 2009 @ 23:11 |
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You're right I am white and I do have money. But please don't think for even a moment that I'm above pirating games and movies, oh heavens no. I'm the worst kind of pirate. The kind who can easily afford every game I would ever want but still too cheap to buy. The irony is I'm going to school for Game Design. What the hell is wrong with me?
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tobi2yul
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13. September 2009 @ 15:49 |
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dabOne is a funny guy. I get where hez coming from heck pirating is just so much easier than buying the game especially nowadays that games are leaked onto the net before actual release dates (Halo:ODST, Dissidia e.t.c). I guess people do have a point when they say piracy is wrong but please don't call it stealing because it isn't dear Sir. It looks like a grey area but infact it isn't. If the law says do not copy, download, distribute blah blah blah then anything contrary to that is an offence and warrants disciplinary action. But considering how dependent a whole lot of people are on piracy (games music tv films)good luck trying to take them down.
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dab0ne
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13. September 2009 @ 17:09 |
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To my defense I did buy it for PS3, played it, unlocked everything, and beat it. So I did technically buy the game. I usually download stuff to test it out, especially if it doesnt have a demo. Batman had a demo so I bought it for the PS3 because I knew I would like it. Fallout 3, however, did not have a demo so I downloaded it on PC and played it. Since then I've bought it (Fallout 3) on PS3 and 360 (360 for the DLC). Usually if I don't like a game I will delete it, because I don't like it. If it's really good I start to feel guilty and end up purchasing it for a console. Also, even if I really like a game I stil can't justify buying it twice unless there is some real allure to that version (fallout 3 on 360 has all the DLC same with GTA IV), which is why I downloaded Batman for PC. I also like being able to play my games on the go and modding them with cheats, and new skins for the characters. PC gaming is advantageous in some ways, but I will always be partial to Console gaming.
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15. September 2009 @ 09:35 |
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This whole article is about passing judgment. It's easy for you rich white folks to criticize pirates but a lot of people can't afford the incredibly costly games but desperately want to play them. Does that make it okay to pirate them? Probably not, but there's no reason to act all smug and superior about it. How would you feel if you were never even given a chance at making enough money to buy your games? Most people aren't, so count yourself lucky and stop acting all high and mighty. This is especially true when the victory only lasts for a few days at best before a hacker who is much smarter than you'll ever be patches the copy protection.
And one more thing before I go, just for all the people who used the word "steal/stole/stolen/etc":
Oh, boohoo, cry me a river for all the poor folk who can't buy their games. I don't have enough money to buy an expensive BMW. So should I then just throw a brick through the window of a garage and steal one? No matter how you turn it, it's morally wrong to pirate games. I'm sure those same people who pirate games are the firsts to lament when their favorite game series goes belly-under due to low sales. Now I have enoug money to buy the games I want but as a child, I couldn't. So what I did was carefully weigh which one I did buy and play that game to death. It never occured to me that I should pirate or shoplift a game. And when I wanted to buy a new console, I took a student job during summer holiday to earn the money I needed for that. That's the difference between people who support the industry they love and those that just parasite on it.
Also, piracy is theft. Allow me to explain, without a drawing:
1. It's not theft of property, since the original is still intact and in the hands of the rightful owner
2. However, it's theft of revenue! Due to distributing illegal copies of software for free, the company misses out on potential revenue since those people in 99% of the cases won't go out to buy the game.
What your nice little drawing demonstrates is theft of property, but it doesn't show how it's not theft of revenue.
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15. September 2009 @ 14:29 |
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Whats with all the bickering? I have seen 6 year olds hold a more intellectual conversation about what flavored ice cream they like.
i just played the demo of Arkham Asylum, the camera is iffy at best. i am however impressed it wasn't just another Superhero title of old.
If you like it and have the 60 bucks to spare buy it, if you like it but don't have 60 bucks to spend ascertain it.
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Mansonx
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19. September 2009 @ 12:46 |
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Well it is shameful to pirate a game, especially all of the work that it takes into making a game. I do believe people have the right to try a game out, and if they like it this much, then they should buy it. I've pirated games many of times, and most of them I never kept, I ended up deleting them because they were just horrible. Most places, where you buy PC games, if you buy them, they will not refund your money if there is either a problem with the PC not running it correctly or if you're not satisfied with the game.
I downloaded the "pirated" version of this game just to check out these protection codes that they've placed in it. I had to laugh cause it was pretty funny.
I did manage to buy the game cause I like super hero games anyways. I own a lot of Marvel and DC Comic games. All though, this is one of the first Eidos games I've liked. Usually they do make terrible games and I was actually half afraid to even look at it.
But the good majority of gamers really can't afford the enormous price of games, so they are going to have to wait for price drops on the game. Like Quake 4, I bought it when it first came out and I paid $50 for it, and just during December of 2008, I found it on sale for $6. So it's either cough up the enormous amount of money, wait several years, or pirate it so you can enjoy it early.
I don't point a finger at piracy, but I don't agree with it either. I saw on 1up posts about this game and piracy and people were acting like that this piracy is going to end the world. But PC games don't sell as much as the console versions anyways. And the consoles are usually more expensive.
As some said, the game will usually be "fixed" by someone who has spare time to sit down and figure out how to get into it like they did with several other games. This game, to me, I even bought it, but I honestly didn't care for the game at all.
Batman Returns for the SNES was more fun than this. But that is my opinion. I am not saying that Arkham Asylum is a bad game, it was fun to play, but I quit playing it after 90% cause it was the same crap over and over again.
It's not worth $50 other than the graphics.
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emugamer
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19. September 2009 @ 16:26 |
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Originally posted by kyo28:
Oh, boohoo, cry me a river for all the poor folk who can't buy their games. I don't have enough money to buy an expensive BMW. So should I then just throw a brick through the window of a garage and steal one? No matter how you turn it, it's morally wrong to pirate games. I'm sure those same people who pirate games are the firsts to lament when their favorite game series goes belly-under due to low sales. Now I have enoug money to buy the games I want but as a child, I couldn't. So what I did was carefully weigh which one I did buy and play that game to death. It never occured to me that I should pirate or shoplift a game. And when I wanted to buy a new console, I took a student job during summer holiday to earn the money I needed for that. That's the difference between people who support the industry they love and those that just parasite on it.
Also, piracy is theft. Allow me to explain, without a drawing:
1. It's not theft of property, since the original is still intact and in the hands of the rightful owner
2. However, it's theft of revenue! Due to distributing illegal copies of software for free, the company misses out on potential revenue since those people in 99% of the cases won't go out to buy the game.
What your nice little drawing demonstrates is theft of property, but it doesn't show how it's not theft of revenue.
I agree that hmp22's drawing is a bit retarded. It's an extreme view, but I have to say that yours is just as extreme. I haven't addressed the "stealing a car" illustration is a long time. It always gives me a good laugh though, so thank you. To debunk your response to hmp22, unfortunately, you can't copy a BMW and leave the owner with the original.
So 99% won't buy the game? Can you point me to a reliable source of this fascinating statistic? I'd like to see the survey. Which 3rd party organization conducted the study? Oh wait....maybe you were making another assumption and judgment. Nevermind then. Just fyi...(and keep this a secret please)........./whisper in ear - nobody really knows. It's something called "perceived" losses. The gaming industry might somehow track how many people downloaded their game (or make up a number), and then immediately translate each download to a loss. But they don't really know for sure. You see, the developers that make the really great games are still around. Isn't that pretty strange? "Piracy" has been rampant since DOS games, and the industry somehow evolved from 8-bit pixels to Crysis. I agree that there are some losers out there that get a hard-on when they think of themselves as "pirates", but developers should really just write them off and focus on making games for the people who will buy them. After all, those are the people that have supported the game industry all these years. Moral of the story is buy what you can. Download what you want. Buy what you download if you want. If you don't want, delete and move on. Enough of this IP entitlement. If you made something worth more than a POS, you'll most likely get compensated. Don't worry about the people who are playing your game for free. They are all potential customers. Win them over. If you can't, then crawl into a hole until you grow a pair. I swear, people on their soap box spewing their self righteous sermom tick me off. Bunch of sheep, the lot. No thought or reason behind anything.
I don't believe in DRM because I feel it is a waste of resources for something that doesn't work and that drives up the price of games. But I totally support the thought behind the trick that Eidos played. Good for them. After all, it is their intellectual property and they have the right to protect it as they please.
Enough with the accusations of thievery and judgements on character. The game companies are doing what they should do. I'm happy that Eidos got my money for this game. I truly enjoyed the PS3 version. I did grab the PC version to compare. Very well done. Didn't care to play through a second time, so I deleted it. So thank you RELOADED for another fine release!
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hmp22
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22. September 2009 @ 17:07 |
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Emugamer is getting at the truth of the situation. If X million people download the game, it doesn't mean they lose x million sales. I'll indiscriminately download something because it's free, but it's not like I would have bought it if I were unable to download it.
If something costs $70 I'm gonna have much higher standards than if something costs $0. All this talk about theft of revenue and perceived losses is BS to anyone who understands the fact that those who are inclined to buy games already do and continue to do so, and those who are inclined to pirate are not.
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korish
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30. December 2009 @ 07:32 |
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wow, what a flamewar...
good point there hmp22.
As for the rest of you saints who think to have it all figured out, explain me what difference does it make for the developers if an individual downloads the game or buys it off ebay? In both cases the publishing company does not receive any money, yet somehow ebay is not considered illegal or immoral, while by the law it is prohibited to resell something that you do not own rights of distribution for.
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30. December 2009 @ 08:06 |
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its lucky eidos made the game and not me i would of put a virus in the downloadable version.
On the topic of piracy some people will pirate stuff some won't no point is having 50 sentences written about it.BTW copying is not stealing.
As for batman arkham asylum i havnt played it personally.might be an excellent game,might be a terrible game dont really know.
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17. March 2010 @ 00:10 |
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Duh whatever kind of security measure they put out will get patched. I'm sure they know this but this is amusing that someone actually went on the forums and get pwneded.
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dawnik246
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27. March 2010 @ 12:40 |
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OK so maybe they need a piracy method.
That I can agree.
What I dont agree is how they did the logic.
I bought the game here in South America, Country: Chile.
For a cost that was NOT cheap.
I only read from the box: "Games for Windows Live" and the requisites for the game to run.
The game came out sealed and I bought it (as I mentioned before)
When I came home, I did everything there is to do to play the game:
Cleared out disk space and installed it.
After the game loads up I see there is a HUGE MESSAGE that says: "YOU MUST LOG ON TO WINDOWS LIVE" (otherwise no SAVING WILL BE ALLOWED)
I got frustrated and .. well ... followed the instructions and started going through the steps.
To my annoying surprise MY REGION IS NOT SUPPORTED for Windows LIVE.
So HOW THE HELL am I going TO PLAY the stupid game!?!?!
This is a disaster.
I really see I have been offended.
They should mention everything in the box.
I dont own a console and I DONT plan to buy one. PC is fine with me.
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22. April 2011 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by aweiford:
This thread was linked on Cracked.com.
So those of you who are bickering needlessly from the comfort of your homes or offices, over something that really doesn't matter, with people who are not going to change their minds...now all look like assholes in front of the several several Cracked fans who will come here to check it out. Good day.
P.S. You can all go to Hell. Arguing over the Internet is literally the most pointless thing one can do with their time.
And yet you took the time to post/bump a thread from well over a year ago in a failed/weak attempt of "elitism". So who really is the ignorant/immature one here doing something pointless? Point made. Topic closed.
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