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Spoofing Drive but using Stock Firmware - XBL Ban?
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 06:29 |
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Hi Guys,
As title - is there a chance one could be banned from XBL for having a spoofed drive (original key), without iXtreme firmware installed?
If they can somehow detect a spoofed drive, is this something they consider 'unfair play' and bring the ban hammer down? Seems crazy if they do, as a lot of people have knackered DVD drives and just want a new/better model installed, but don't necessarily want to play back-ups, so just use stock firmware with their key injected.
Any info appreciated!
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w4nker
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11. September 2009 @ 06:33 |
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Well Microsoft change the DVD drive all the time when they develop a fault and also change the type of drive completely BenQ to Liteon etc.
So its safe to say there is no risk there at all :-)
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 06:42 |
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Originally posted by w4nker:
Well Microsoft change the DVD drive all the time when they develop a fault and also change the type of drive completely BenQ to Liteon etc.
So its safe to say there is no risk there at all :-)
Thanks for the reply w4nker (love the name BTW! Classic!!)
I know what you're saying, maybe I'm way off the mark here, but I was under the impression that MS know what type of drive should be in your 360 and if when on XBL it reports it's not the mated drive (unspoofed) to your board, you get flagged or maybe banned.
I'm also thinking as well, why have the spoofing feature at all for stock firmware if it's 100% safe, surely you could just copy the keys and not bother with the spoof side of things!
I don't know, you're probably right though.
Thanks again.
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w4nker
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11. September 2009 @ 06:52 |
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honestly i am definitely right, i have changed the DVD drive many times and its never a problem.
Its all the do with the dodgy media you put in the drive that will get you banned.
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 07:18 |
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Cool, thanks dude!
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 15:00 |
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Stumbled across this article:
http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50182
I've heard of people getting their repaired RROD Xbox 360's back with different DVD drives in them in their original machines, so do MS bother spoofing to match the board or do they just leave as is!?
I'm getting apprehensive now about doing this for a mate, as I don't want them to get a XBL ban due to the drive replacement.
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11. September 2009 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by w4nker:
Well Microsoft change the DVD drive all the time when they develop a fault and also change the type of drive completely BenQ to Liteon etc.
So its safe to say there is no risk there at all :-)
I actually would say this information is completely incorrect. We don't know if MS just swaps out DVD drives, or if they just give us a whole new board with the matching DVD drive.
Additionally, I don't know how prevalent it is now, but when liteon fw was first released, people who were spoofing their drives were actually more likely to get caught because MS could send drive specific commands to the console. And when/if the console didn't provide the correct response, then it could have put a flag to their console.
Would you be going from one DVD drive to another, or stay the same? (i.e. benq to hitachi vs liteon to liteon).
What is your reason for not flashing it, but spoofing the drive? Did drive die, and is your warranty out?
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 15:20 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Originally posted by w4nker:
Well Microsoft change the DVD drive all the time when they develop a fault and also change the type of drive completely BenQ to Liteon etc.
So its safe to say there is no risk there at all :-)
I actually would say this information is completely incorrect. We don't know if MS just swaps out DVD drives, or if they just give us a whole new board with the matching DVD drive.
Additionally, I don't know how prevalent it is now, but when liteon fw was first released, people who were spoofing their drives were actually more likely to get caught because MS could send drive specific commands to the console. And when/if the console didn't provide the correct response, then it could have put a flag to their console.
Would you be going from one DVD drive to another, or stay the same? (i.e. benq to hitachi vs liteon to liteon).
What is your reason for not flashing it, but spoofing the drive? Did drive die, and is your warranty out?
Hi guessswho - thanks for the reply and information.
Yes, the drive won't read discs anymore, I have a few BenQ's and I was going to put one of them in there regardless of the faulty model.
Warranty is out and the reason I'm not going the iXtreme route is because this guy absolutely doesn't want to be banned from XBL!
Thought I was playing save by just spoofing the drive but now it seems it's a risky as playing backups!!!! What do MS expect people to do when their DVD drives fail out of warranty - new console everytime I guess?! ;-)
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11. September 2009 @ 15:33 |
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They might. I would say if you are going from a benq to another benq, you are pretty much as safe as can be. I think you have the lowest chance of being banned, but I believe that the chance might still be there.
In the end, you might as well just swap it though. If replacing the laser can't fix it, then swapping the whole drive is your only choice, otherwise you just have an expensive paperweight.
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 15:42 |
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I know what you mean. If it is a BenQ in the console and I'm replacing it with another BenQ of the same type, do I have to swap over the drive PCB or is the key enough you think? Thanks again dude.
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11. September 2009 @ 15:45 |
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i you swap the board, then I believe that is all you would need to do.
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da_mage
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11. September 2009 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
i you swap the board, then I believe that is all you would need to do.
Cool - thanks man!
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w4nker
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12. September 2009 @ 07:12 |
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just to confirm tho i spoofed a drive years ago Hitachi to BenQ for a friend with stock firmware etc.. Never had any issues and survived ban waves, i truly believe from my own experience that's its just the Media inside the console that will get you banned and quiet rightly too.
Talking from experience tho its not an education guess.
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da_mage
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12. September 2009 @ 07:39 |
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Originally posted by w4nker:
just to confirm tho i spoofed a drive years ago Hitachi to BenQ for a friend with stock firmware etc.. Never had any issues and survived ban waves, i truly believe from my own experience that's its just the Media inside the console that will get you banned and quiet rightly too.
Talking from experience tho its not an education guess.
Just wish there was a definitive answer to it though, you know?
Does anyone actually know a real situation where a console was banned for having a non-iXtreme spoofed drive? Not hearsay or speculation.
Been searching for days on this now and still haven't found a "Yes, I was banned because I replaced my faulty drive and spoofed it to another model without iXtreme" scenario.
i do agree with the ropey media being the most probable cause of a ban though.
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12. September 2009 @ 10:30 |
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how about exactly, like I just said earlier?
It has been confirmed when swapping drives, from one model to another, that you can get caught. Because MS would send drive specific commands, and when it would send a benq command to a hitachi, it wouldn't provide the correct response.
I had already said this above.
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da_mage
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12. September 2009 @ 10:44 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
how about exactly, like I just said earlier?
It has been confirmed when swapping drives, from one model to another, that you can get caught. Because MS would send drive specific commands, and when it would send a benq command to a hitachi, it wouldn't provide the correct response.
I had already said this above.
I know what you said, and thank you for the info. Do you know the person that was banned because of this or did it happen to you personally?
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12. September 2009 @ 10:52 |
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no, but it was talked about where all the developers who make the flashing programs and hacked firmware meet.
It's not going to be a lie. But if you want to do it, go for it.
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da_mage
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12. September 2009 @ 11:04 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
no, but it was talked about where all the developers who make the flashing programs and hacked firmware meet.
It's not going to be a lie. But if you want to do it, go for it.
I see, thanks. I'd say those meetings are pretty cool, love to be a fly on the wall! Do you go to them?
BTW: I wasn't doubting you dude, I was just asking, as had it happened to you personally, or a friend, as to what drives you were using at the time. No worries though.
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12. September 2009 @ 11:09 |
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ok cool.
Well if you go for it, just let us know how it works. Hopefully successful for you.
good luck
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da_mage
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12. September 2009 @ 11:11 |
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Will do. Thanks dude.
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da_mage
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5. November 2009 @ 20:19 |
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Hey Guys,
Just bringing this thread back from the dead to let you all know that a test console in which I spoofed the DVD drive was indeed banned (tonight) during the latest wave. Hitachi original replaced with a BenQ that had the stock firmware with just the key transfered and drive spoofed, as in no iXtreme.
Fair play, guessswho - you were spot-on mate!
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shakey001
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17. November 2009 @ 22:07 |
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Originally posted by da_mage:
Hey Guys,
Just bringing this thread back from the dead to let you all know that a test console in which I spoofed the DVD drive was indeed banned (tonight) during the latest wave. Hitachi original replaced with a BenQ that had the stock firmware with just the key transfered and drive spoofed, as in no iXtreme.
Fair play, guessswho - you were spot-on mate!
And it is called anti-competition legislation...
and that in my opinion is illegal on MS's part, that would be like GM saying your warranty is void if you let a different shop change the oil, If they could get away with it I am certain they would, but there are laws that prevent companies from taking punitive action against people for doing things like that... Yes even in America! If the drive was just spoofed but using stock firmware MS has no justification in banning you...
My 2 cents..
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Jesus32
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18. November 2009 @ 07:59 |
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I dont think itll get u banned. But spoofing in the drive isn't a good idea.
Yes,
Jesus hates M$ too.
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haza12d
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18. November 2009 @ 14:47 |
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Originally posted by da_mage:
Originally posted by w4nker:
just to confirm tho i spoofed a drive years ago Hitachi to BenQ for a friend with stock firmware etc.. Never had any issues and survived ban waves, i truly believe from my own experience that's its just the Media inside the console that will get you banned and quiet rightly too.
Talking from experience tho its not an education guess.
Just wish there was a definitive answer to it though, you know?
Does anyone actually know a real situation where a console was banned for having a non-iXtreme spoofed drive? Not hearsay or speculation.
Been searching for days on this now and still haven't found a "Yes, I was banned because I replaced my faulty drive and spoofed it to another model without iXtreme" scenario.
i do agree with the ropey media being the most probable cause of a ban though.
I for one got banned the other day. I had a dead Hitachi drive that would read games as DVDs so I decided to replace the drive. I picked up a BenQ and spoofed my Hitachi Key to the BenQ. The firmware was STOCK (No iXtreme), and I got hit by the banhammer along with the countless unfortunate ones with modded consoles.
XPS Gen.4 3.6GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB+750GB Seagate HD, BenQ DW1650, BenQ DW1655, Samsung SE-S184M (External) Dimension E520 3.0GHz 3.5GB RAM, 74GB+500GB Seagate HD, Samsung SH-S183, Samsung SE-S184M (External)
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shakey001
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18. November 2009 @ 17:05 |
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Originally posted by haza12d:
Originally posted by da_mage:
Originally posted by w4nker:
just to confirm tho i spoofed a drive years ago Hitachi to BenQ for a friend with stock firmware etc.. Never had any issues and survived ban waves, i truly believe from my own experience that's its just the Media inside the console that will get you banned and quiet rightly too.
Talking from experience tho its not an education guess.
Just wish there was a definitive answer to it though, you know?
Does anyone actually know a real situation where a console was banned for having a non-iXtreme spoofed drive? Not hearsay or speculation.
Been searching for days on this now and still haven't found a "Yes, I was banned because I replaced my faulty drive and spoofed it to another model without iXtreme" scenario.
i do agree with the ropey media being the most probable cause of a ban though.
I for one got banned the other day. I had a dead Hitachi drive that would read games as DVDs so I decided to replace the drive. I picked up a BenQ and spoofed my Hitachi Key to the BenQ. The firmware was STOCK (No iXtreme), and I got hit by the banhammer along with the countless unfortunate ones with modded consoles.
You know folks, there is competition legislation, if what you say is true, at least if it were me.. I would find out what government department handles the fair competition legislation, find someone there that can understand what it is you are speaking of, explain that you did not want to pay MS repair fees although because you are capable of doing the repair yourself, emphasize that the firmware you were using would not allow anything illegal such as copied games, you just didn't want to be coerced into the MS repairsystem because it is a rip-off, explain that the drive you used is identical in every way to ones sold in millios of xbox 360's (including the firmware)and that you feel the ban can only be a reaction on microsoft's part because they didn't get the chance to fleece you with artificially inflated repair fees...
Expect that they will try hard to push it away, but it is true, if microsoft can tell the difference between a modded Benq and an unmodded BenQ then they could tell that your firmware wasn't modded!!! THAT MAKES IT AN ILLEGAL ACT in my opinion, as well as being just plain unfair.
What it comes down to is, MS can void your warranty for third party repairs, that may be argued but they will win that, but they can not ban you for using unmodded firmware, They say they can tell, from recent events it would seem that is true, so what possible moral or legal reason could they possibly have for banning you?
-Shakey
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