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Forza 3 bannings!
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16. October 2009 @ 19:13 |
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16. October 2009 @ 19:17 |
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wow,wonder how many people went online
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db5304
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16. October 2009 @ 19:24 |
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Seems weird that its an account ban. I have played on my offline xbox, but using my live profile/hard drive and have achievement points logged on my gamerscore and they even show up on xbox.com but I have not gotten any email. But I only did however go on live with games that are out and on my xbox I only play released games on.
Thanks for the heads up guesswho, anyone got anymore information on this?
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deepc266
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16. October 2009 @ 19:48 |
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people SHOULD know better.
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16. October 2009 @ 20:54 |
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17. October 2009 @ 05:56 |
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A friend of mine has been suspended indefinitely.Happened last night.220,000 gamerscore and 4 yrs of his life gone.
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moleyman
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17. October 2009 @ 07:08 |
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its a rolling ban once the week is up it will ban untill 9999
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vister
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17. October 2009 @ 09:52 |
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Originally posted by infam0us:
wow,wonder how many people went online
Its not sure that you will get banned, 4-5 person on my friend list was playing halo:odst when its leak and they are still not banned
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17. October 2009 @ 10:36 |
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that's because this is specifically related to forza, not odst.
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gameover9
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17. October 2009 @ 11:09 |
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wow. Can't people wait? I have never been banned. Of course I don't take those chances. Playing any game early is stupid in my opinion.
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17. October 2009 @ 11:56 |
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So wait you think they will start doing ban waves on accounts?
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17. October 2009 @ 12:10 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
wow. Can't people wait? I have never been banned. Of course I don't take those chances. Playing any game early is stupid in my opinion.
Agreed.
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 12:47 |
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I read up on this on another site (maybe Ars Technica?), and the authors interviewed the head security enforcer person at MS Live. That person said that this ban applies ONLY to people who are playing burned copies of the game that leaked early. He went on to say that if somebody happened to get a legit retail version of the game because a vendor broke the street date, that the person would NOT be banned. This puzzled me since I couldn't figure out how the hell MS would be able to tell the difference.
Then I read up on wave 4. My theory is that they leaked a wave 3 version of the game (and who knows how many other games...) online, but the legit retail version is actually wave 4. In other words, a super simple way to 100% identify the modders.
I've read other posts wondering about Brutal Legend and other games that seem like they should be wave 4, but were released online as wave 3. I'd be extremely careful with any game being newly released online in the immediate future which is not wave 4, as they all should be now.
Just my .02
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17. October 2009 @ 12:52 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
I read up on this on another site (maybe Ars Technica?), and the authors interviewed the head security enforcer person at MS Live. That person said that this ban applies ONLY to people who are playing burned copies of the game that leaked early. He went on to say that if somebody happened to get a legit retail version of the game because a vendor broke the street date, that the person would NOT be banned. This puzzled me since I couldn't figure out how the hell MS would be able to tell the difference.
Then I read up on wave 4. My theory is that they leaked a wave 3 version of the game (and who knows how many other games...) online, but the legit retail version is actually wave 4. In other words, a super simple way to 100% identify the modders.
I've read other posts wondering about Brutal Legend and other games that seem like they should be wave 4, but were released online as wave 3. I'd be extremely careful with any game being newly released online in the immediate future which is not wave 4, as they all should be now.
Just my .02
I understand where you are coming from. But wouldn't it be an illegal action on Microsoft to "leak" a copy to someone fully knowing they had piracy intentions? Sounds like they would be shooting themselves in the foot. All just to ban some people...
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 17. October 2009 @ 12:53
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 12:57 |
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You're right about that. I imagine that MS didn't directly leak the game to the intarwebs themselves, but rather created their first batch of the game as wave 3. The wave 3 version then gets into the hands of the 'leaker mole', whoever/where-ever that person is in the chain, and the 'leaker mole' does the dirty work.
That's how these scene groups work... getting people on the inside, at the very beginning of the distribution chain, to rip the games (or whatever else) for them.
Sort of like a counter-intelligence operation by the CIA or KGB.
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17. October 2009 @ 13:18 |
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Originally posted by leerage:
I understand where you are coming from. But wouldn't it be an illegal action on Microsoft to "leak" a copy to someone fully knowing they had piracy intentions? Sounds like they would be shooting themselves in the foot. All just to ban some people...
I don't see what that would be any different than, say, law enforcement setting up an undercover sting op to catch street corner drug dealers. Contrary to popular belief, it's not illegal to "bait the hook".
Got to remember, we don't have the right to use LIVE, we have the privilege. So MS isn't violating any of our rights by doing what ever is in their power to catch modders. We all agreed to their ToS, so they're covered.
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dvbranton
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17. October 2009 @ 13:32 |
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You said a key word that is Law enforcement... M$ is not law enforcement. I know they publish and develop this product so yeah it is possible for them to do that but i think a waste of time. I have no interest in this game and if you go on live before a release date and or unverified in abgx then you get what is comming to you. Sometimes patience can be a virtue..........But it is kind of funny how all of a sudden the ban hammer is coming and xbl is getting rid of third part mem cards and stuff too........ Then again it is xmas time and what better way to boost console sales right around this time of year.
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17. October 2009 @ 13:44 |
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Originally posted by dvbranton:
You said a key word that is Law enforcement... M$ is not law enforcement.
Right, but that's why I also mentioned rights vs. privileges. Laws enforce the public's rights. LIVE is not public. It belongs to MS. It's their personal property. Granted, there's still a few laws MS must abide by, but using whatever reasonable means available to catch modders is well within their rights to protect their property.
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Hardwatch
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17. October 2009 @ 13:44 |
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if you cannot wait a a couple weeks for a game to be released, you might have a problem.
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 13:50 |
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Well, there is a simple test to my theory. When we get an actual, legit, verified rip of Forza 3, if it is wave 3, I am wrong. Microsoft used some other way, as yet unknown to us, to do this mini ban-wave. One possibility is that is was a review copy, or a bad rip, or something else like that. This would be a huge escalation of MS ban policy, as they have never had near-instant bans due to those issues before.
If the legit retail is in fact wave 4, then I am correct, and no matter the semantics of how it happened, it did. MS somehow got a wave 3 version of the game out on web distribution pre-release and used that info to identify modders. I'd prefer this option, as it would mean that MS has not necessarily made major strides in immediate ID and banning of people playing bad rips/review copies.
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dvbranton
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17. October 2009 @ 14:04 |
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I can understand a wave 3 being leaked. From what I am reading on xbl forums that people have been banned according to "the pro" that these people are playing bad copies instead of retail ones as he has stated that "they" can tell so it could be a reviewers copy of game and the retail is different (maybe the way it boots) or it is a wave 4 game like qwert99 is saying.
Here is a stupid question. Lets say I play forza 3 now off line and dont go on live until it is verified by abgx will I still get the ban hammer or will the chip in the 360 detect 2 different versions of the game?
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 14:06 |
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Playing online or offline, there is no difference. As soon as you reconnect to Live, your 360 will turn over on you like the dirty snitch it is.
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17. October 2009 @ 14:07 |
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I think what's interesting is that they're banning profiles, not consoles.
I've read many, many, MANY posts and blogs where people generally care more about their profile than the console itself. You can ban their console. They don't care, they'll go get another. But you take away their LIVE tag and gamerscore, and boy does their tone change.
So maybe MS is now realizing this.
Or maybe MS has a way to detect backups, but it's still not 100% foolproof (like with the jitter debacle awhile back). So maybe they're using that info (red flag 1) along with certain versions of games being played early (red flag 2), and maybe something else we don't know about yet.
Long story short, you set off enough red flags and poof... LIVE disappears.
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 14:11 |
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I am hoping against hope that you are not right about newly improved (or simply ballsier) detection methods, bhetrick. I hope that this was a fluke one trick pony for MS, and they got lucky with this transition between wave 3 and wave 4.
On the other hand, I would be happy if MS started banning only gamertags and not consoles. I'd much rather lose a nickname and an imaginary number than my console. So much less work to get it going again.
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dvbranton
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17. October 2009 @ 14:16 |
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I"m sorry let me re word my question. Forza 3 right now is unverified. I burn and play off line. I dont go on live at all. Forza 3 verifies and is patched and I re burn with the abgx fixes and go on live will I still have the chance of the ban hammer or does the chip in the 360 send info that I had in 2 different versions of the game? Kind of like a reviewers copy compared to a retail copy played on the same console.
I also know you stand a chance of the ban regardless but since this is an insta ban just courious and really I dont care about a gamer tag permaban. Sorry for the stupid questions again.
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