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Forza 3 bannings!
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17. October 2009 @ 14:28 |
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I am hoping against hope that you are not right about newly improved (or simply ballsier) detection methods, bhetrick.
Oh, me too. I'm not looking to be right or wrong about anything. I'm just throwing some posibilities out there.
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I"m sorry let me re word my question. Forza 3 right now is unverified. I burn and play off line. I dont go on live at all. Forza 3 verifies and is patched and I re burn with the abgx fixes and go on live will I still have the chance of the ban hammer or does the chip in the 360 send info that I had in 2 different versions of the game? Kind of like a reviewers copy compared to a retail copy played on the same console.
I also know you stand a chance of the ban regardless but since this is an insta ban just courious and really I dont care about a gamer tag permaban. Sorry for the stupid questions again.
Naw, no such thing as a stupid question. Unfortunately, none of us know what info is stored, if anything is even stored, or what not.
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 14:28 |
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Heh.... just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not accurate.
If MS is going to ban you for your pre-release play, they will ban you for it as soon as you log back on to Live. Perhaps not immediate, but if they caught you, it will happen then. It doesn't matter if you played offline.
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17. October 2009 @ 14:36 |
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Not to get too off track here, but MS does the same thing for temporary account bans.
Just reading through the suspension forum on xbox.com ( http://forums.xbox.com/1386/ShowForum.aspx ), it's easy to see that MS doesn't always ban you right away for breaking the rules. Quite often it seems like someone may have gotten away with some offense then bam, MS tags them later down the road.
So I could see MS doing the same thing when I comes to detecting modders. Maybe they do store incriminating data from the past and ban everyone in waves in the future.
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dvbranton
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17. October 2009 @ 14:55 |
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Thank you all for the replies. I just wanted to re word my question as the first one wasnt clear enough...........
Also just throwing this out there. I wonder if M$ is know paying attention to gamer tags more since the tags store what games you are playing and in order to. With the new update i wonder if something isn't running in the back ground to let M$ know and then they check you out right away. But then again with the ODST leak there was no bannings so I don't know. But I do know that the person I get my games from is very reliable they only get retail versions.
Forza 3 is wave 3. Borderlands is wave 3. Smackdown vs raw 10 is wave 3.
retailers should have the games by now. SO i do trust the what is up right now. I am just trying to put up as much info that i know so that someone who does know what they are doing can see what is going on =)
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 14:57 |
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Maybe....not sure about that, dvb.
I would still be careful with being sure about those games being wave 3, though. Borderlands isn't even released officially until Oct 20. You can do what you want, but I will personally wait for ABGX verification before playing them.
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Hardwatch
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17. October 2009 @ 15:12 |
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col12
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17. October 2009 @ 19:37 |
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a think the people have been banned becouse the game that was leaked is on two disks all the cars and tracks that are supposed to be paid for from xbox live marketplace and dl content only and some accepted the new xbl update thats not out until next week
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17. October 2009 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by col12:
a think the people have been banned becouse the game that was leaked is on two disks all the cars and tracks that are supposed to be paid for from xbox live marketplace and dl content only and some accepted the new xbl update thats not out until next week
Hhrrmmm... are you sure about that?
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1031109p1.html
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dvbranton
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18. October 2009 @ 15:50 |
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This is interesting:
http://forums.xbox.com/29476424/ShowPost.aspx
my opinion from what I read is that turn 10 has the servers and working with m$ like if they see a gamer tag that they don't reconise on the servers and reporting to M$ and in return M$ is banning the people using Forza 3 bought retail or not. That is causing lots of problems for the people renting/buying the game legit. The mods don't seem to be too bright there as they are eluding to the fact that there is some illigitimate game play going on when a lot of the people on there don't understand why they got banned. If that is the case then M$ could be in a lot of trouble. I really hope this is the case. M$ will get what is comming to them like when they go and disable the "unarthorised" Hard drives and mem cards I really feel sorry for those people who was trying to save money due to overpriced HD. Hope this info helps
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18. October 2009 @ 16:00 |
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That thread you just linked to has a guy in it that's saying he wasn't banned from Xbox Live, only from playing Forza 3 online. He was also given an email address for Turn 10 so he could contact them to sort it out: -
Originally posted by Stepto:
Tommo if you have not been suspended from Xbox LIVE then it's probably just a simple mistake on the Turn10 side, just contact them to undo it.
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18. October 2009 @ 16:22 |
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Originally posted by dvbranton:
M$ will get what is comming to them like when they go and disable the "unarthorised" Hard drives and mem cards.
I don't understand your logic. What do you mean by "get what is comming to them"? People are stealing from MS and MS wants to stop it. And you think MS is wrong?
Granted, I also feel their accessories are overpriced, but people aren't forced to buy a 360. It's their choice. It's not like MS is doing anything that will impact the average 360 consumer. The only people this will affect are the one's who wouldn't have purchased a 360 anyways, if it wasn't moddable.
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dvbranton
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18. October 2009 @ 18:29 |
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Sorry
I was refering to the stuff that datel makes like the 2 or 4 gig mem card instead of the M$ 512 mem card and I think the 120 gig hd you can buy on ebay from hong kong that runs for about $60 instead of 130 or so. I just feel sorry for the ones who are tring to save some money on storage (the ones who havent modded their stuff).
Besides I was just throwing out a possible theory on how they are doing the bans. Yep that was a reviewer who was banned but I think xbl must have a group of id's that they track that are reveiwers that some how got buy turn 10 which explains why he wasnt banned from xbl but from the forza servers.
I am a major nooby booby so thanks for not flaming me =)
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assman21
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18. October 2009 @ 22:10 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Playing online or offline, there is no difference. As soon as you reconnect to Live, your 360 will turn over on you like the dirty snitch it is.
LAMBO!! hahahahaaaaaaaa
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19. October 2009 @ 01:37 |
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I think it's funny that people think they will be safe if they disconnect the ethernet and play offline, and all will be well. Yeah, your 360 logs what it's doing, and once you plug back in, M$ can see that!
I've been playing games before release all the time, just cause I know the risk, and don't care if M$ bans me, cause it's happened before (check sig). I guess I was too slow though to play Forza 3, cause 5 of my modder buddies got the boot as well!
Also, I guess people are getting the hit for Borderlands as well! According to 1up.com: LINK
And if my 360 goes to hell with all the others banned, I still got my PS3, so I'm good!
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jayquik03
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19. October 2009 @ 13:41 |
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So,
Everyone is saying that if you play Forza 3 offline and then go online you will be banned. But has anyone actually had this happen to them with Forza 3 or any other game, or is it just a friend of a friend did this and got banned. I truly thought that if I didn't play online or even have my xbox signed into live that I would be fine. Gonna suck when I go online in a week and get banned for playing forza offline :(. Also I understand that some people feel that we have problems for wanting to play a game early. But that's just one of the benefits of having a modded console.
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19. October 2009 @ 14:25 |
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Originally posted by jayquik03:
So,
Everyone is saying that if you play Forza 3 offline and then go online you will be banned. But has anyone actually had this happen to them with Forza 3 or any other game, or is it just a friend of a friend did this and got banned. I truly thought that if I didn't play online or even have my xbox signed into live that I would be fine. Gonna suck when I go online in a week and get banned for playing forza offline :(. Also I understand that some people feel that we have problems for wanting to play a game early. But that's just one of the benefits of having a modded console.
If you haven't connected to Live at all since playing Forza 3 and you wait until after the game is released before you connect, there's no way they can know you've played the game early. All the will know is that you have played it, but they won't know when. It doesn't mean you won't get banned of course.
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19. October 2009 @ 14:34 |
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Unless he got achievements in the game. It says when you unlocked them, so yes they actually would know when you played it! And they could have some sort of technology to check when you played it, no one really knows!
If you want to remain on Live and not banned, your best bet is to wait for iXtreme 1.61!
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19. October 2009 @ 14:49 |
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Originally posted by DavGerm4:
Unless he got achievements in the game. It says when you unlocked them, so yes they actually would know when you played it!
No, they wouldn't. If you unlock achievements offline, it doesn't say when you unlocked them (look in your achievements list), because there's no way they can know when you did unlock them. You have to set the time and date manually if you're not connected to Live and if you unplug the console from the mains and plug it back in again, the date resets to 2005.
Here's the proof - my profile on Xbox.com showing my Bioshock achievements. The offline ones just say acquired cos they can't know when I unlocked them. The ones unlocked while I was connected to Xbox Live are date stamped: -
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19. October 2009 @ 14:54 |
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Ok that may be true, but M$ still may have a way of seeing when they were unlocked! Just because it doesn't show for us, doesn't mean they don't know.
And again it's just a theory, just like playing offline is safe compared to connected to live.
I'm just saying to those that are so worried about being banned, to just wait for iXtreme 1.61, if they want to remain on Xbox Live!
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19. October 2009 @ 15:02 |
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Originally posted by DavGerm4:
Ok that may be true, but M$ still may have a way of seeing when they were unlocked! Just because it doesn't show for us, doesn't mean they don't know.
How? The only way to do that is if there's an internal clock inside the 360 that keeps the date and time when the console is unplugged. If there was, they wouldn't make you reset the date and time manually when you plug it back in, and they would show the date you unlocked achievements offline on Xbox.com, unless you think they specifically designed it to not do those things in order to catch out pirates - and bear in mind, they'd have to have thought of doing that well before the console was even released or hacked and they'd have had to assume it would be hacked and this would be a way of catching people. lol. That makes no sense whatsoever. They don't know when you unlocked achievements if you weren't connected to Live at the time of unlocking them.
Obviously if jayquik03 connected to Live now, they'd know he'd played the game even if he doesn't play it again before the release date, because info on any achievements he'd unlocked would be uploaded, but those achievements aren't timed stamped. Also, some people unplug their hard drive and use a different profile on a memory card to play games offline before release, but there is a theory that info on games you've played is stored in a file called secdata.bin which is stored in the 360's NAND and then uploaded to Live when you connect with your regular profile, hence you will still be caught - that is just a theory though.
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19. October 2009 @ 15:04 |
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Ok well I don't care anymore, I was just here to help, but I guess you seem to know everything that M$ does, so good luck with that!
I'm out...
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19. October 2009 @ 15:05 |
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Originally posted by DavGerm4:
Ok well I don't care anymore, I was just here to help, but I guess you seem to know everything that M$ does, so good luck with that!
I'm out...
No need to get upset just because you were wrong. It's all very well wanting to help, but you're not helping by spreading bad information!
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jayquik03
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19. October 2009 @ 17:07 |
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well thanks to everyone for helping w/ the question. That brings me to another though. So I have not connected to live yet. But why would Ixtreme 1.6 stop me from being banned later?
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vister
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19. October 2009 @ 17:27 |
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Originally posted by jayquik03:
well thanks to everyone for helping w/ the question. That brings me to another though. So I have not connected to live yet. But why would Ixtreme 1.6 stop me from being banned later?
for the wave 4 games?
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jayquik03
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19. October 2009 @ 18:43 |
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Originally posted by vister:
Originally posted by jayquik03:
well thanks to everyone for helping w/ the question. That brings me to another though. So I have not connected to live yet. But why would Ixtreme 1.6 stop me from being banned later?
for the wave 4 games?
Why would that stop me from getting banned for playing forza 3 early?
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