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Forza 3 bannings!
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dvbranton
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19. October 2009 @ 18:44 |
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wave 4 for sure as I don't know if 1.6 will boot a wave 4 without the activateiso disk.
DavGerm maybe right about the achievements maybe m$ could see then again maybe not but to assume that they don't know is not good to assume that either as for what I have read on the forums here no one knows for sure.
Now as far as the forza bannings I think in my opinion (honestly it isnt worth anything LOL) I think that take 10 is sending M$ the tags and thus they are banning on both sides the take 10 servers and XBL. That is why that one reviewer didnt get banned from xbl but did on take 10 servers. I mean XBL has to have a way of knowing who is a reviewer and who isnt due to the fact of they are playing reviewer copies on xbl and not getting the ban hammer but yet anyone else that plays a copy that isnt a reviewer does get banned (maybe there is a cut off date for reviewer copies on xbl). I am sure that not all the ones getting banned are playing "pirated or leaked" versions of the game. The game got released early people went online with a legit and then got banned along with the other "pirated" copies. Just goes to show if you play a game EARLY legit or not you have a GREAT chance of getting banned. I just hope we dont see all of those OMG I have been banned off of XBL!! I am a noob and know better then to play on xbl early on a popular game so should every other nood if they read these forums. But thank you all to the members here who share their knowledge on the scene.
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htorihpeS
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20. October 2009 @ 16:28 |
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On the now closed thread http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/807229/4881894-942646 , I said that M$ would lose a lot of customers if they started banning both consoles and accounts from xbox live over piracy. What I meant to say was that they would lose a lot of the people who were banned by doing that. Think about it. You get banned from live with both your profile and console. You can still use your console to play any 360 game offline. So why not buy a ps3 instead of a new 360? You can use your ps3 to play multiplats online and now you can play both 360 (only offline) and ps3 exclusives. I already have a ps3 but if I got banned, the optimal thing for me to do would be just that. I think the optimal thing for M$ to do to keep as many banned users customers as possible is to just ban profiles because then the banned would have to start up another account, repurchase dlc and would have to buy all games they wanted to play on live. Though why did M$ not do this in the first place? Were they concerned that some people's profiles would be banned unfairly? BTW if my profile was banned, I would personally go nuts so I'm not risking getting banned. Sorry for babbling on. BTW bhetrick, I never thought of the fact that dlc would have to be repurchased. Another huge deterrent for people considering to mod their consoles. Thanks for that.
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xerofyre
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27. October 2009 @ 01:11 |
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So was playing early the only reason for the bans?
Or are there early wave 3 forza releases that will get you banned?
Is the retail disk wave 3 or 4?
I want to play it but I don't want to get banned.
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qwert99
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27. October 2009 @ 01:31 |
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The retail game is wave 3. People were banned based on playing early.
That's sort of more disturbing than the alternative, because it means that MS is definitely stepping up their banning efforts to levels they haven't bothered with before.
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Aiur
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27. October 2009 @ 01:49 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
The retail game is wave 3. People were banned based on playing early.
That's sort of more disturbing than the alternative, because it means that MS is definitely stepping up their banning efforts to levels they haven't bothered with before.
I don't think it's disturbing at all. If you play a game 3 weeks+ in advance, it is fairly obvious to think you will get caught. You'll probably see the same thing happen with retards who played Guitar Hero: Van Halen already. If I get a game really early, I usually wait 3-5 days before release to play it. I made an exception for Forza 3 because of the bannings, so I started playing it yesterday.
Also, I know someone who got banned for playing Forza early. His GT got banned, but not his console. He made a new GT and was playing Forza again the next day.
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xerofyre
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27. October 2009 @ 01:54 |
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Thanks guys
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modmyxbox
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27. October 2009 @ 06:36 |
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i played tekken on live not online but still signed in 2 xbl before its realease.
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27. October 2009 @ 07:20 |
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Originally posted by modmyxbox:
i played tekken on live not online but still signed in 2 xbl before its realease.
ok.
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NoShine
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27. October 2009 @ 07:26 |
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I will never understand playing a game before it releases... You people know that is a huge flag right? why do it? It just boggles my mind, i can not understand the need to play early and risk getting banned.
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cartroid
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27. October 2009 @ 07:27 |
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i just flashed my xbox about a week ago and have been waiting to burn forza because i wasnt sure if it stealthed. is it safe to play now even before verification comes out on abgx360?
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27. October 2009 @ 07:30 |
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Originally posted by cartroid:
i just flashed my xbox about a week ago and have been waiting to burn forza because i wasnt sure if it stealthed. is it safe to play now even before verification comes out on abgx360?
Maybe, maybe not. No-one will be able to tell you till its on the ABGX database
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MGHBox
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27. October 2009 @ 10:17 |
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I had my Xbox flashed two weeks and played Forza 3 offline. I'm new to this world. What dose it mean if I run ABGX and the stealth check passed but verification failed? Can anyone help this MOD noob? Thanks.
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27. October 2009 @ 10:29 |
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Originally posted by MGHBox:
I had my Xbox flashed two weeks and played Forza 3 offline. I'm new to this world. What dose it mean if I run ABGX and the stealth check passed but verification failed? Can anyone help this MOD noob? Thanks.
It means that the ISO looks OK, but it cant check it for sure as it cant verify it agaist an original copy
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MGHBox
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27. October 2009 @ 10:41 |
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I see so how long dose is it before it can? And thanks for the help. My friend talked me into doing the flash after years of trying to get me on the dark side. So I really have no idea what I'm doing.
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qwert99
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27. October 2009 @ 11:17 |
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Originally posted by Aiur:
Originally posted by qwert99:
The retail game is wave 3. People were banned based on playing early.
That's sort of more disturbing than the alternative, because it means that MS is definitely stepping up their banning efforts to levels they haven't bothered with before.
I don't think it's disturbing at all. If you play a game 3 weeks+ in advance, it is fairly obvious to think you will get caught. You'll probably see the same thing happen with retards who played Guitar Hero: Van Halen already. If I get a game really early, I usually wait 3-5 days before release to play it. I made an exception for Forza 3 because of the bannings, so I started playing it yesterday.
Also, I know someone who got banned for playing Forza early. His GT got banned, but not his console. He made a new GT and was playing Forza again the next day.
The point isn't whether or not it's smart to play games early. It isn't for the same reason you stated, and especially for the fact that games cannot be verified before release.
The reason it is disturbing is because it means that MS is stepping up their efforts to ban people in general. Sure, it is a dumb decision to play a game online 3 weeks early. However, in the past that has not necessarily meant a ban as long as the backup was legit.
In addition, this is the first time that I am aware of MS ever banning gamertags for anything but cheating at games or general douchebaggery. Obviously a new weapon in the war against backups.
The fact that MS is apparently ready to bring the fight to a new level and opening a new can of worms is what is disturbing.
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vister
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27. October 2009 @ 13:17 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by Aiur:
Originally posted by qwert99:
In addition, this is the first time that I am aware of MS ever banning gamertags for anything but cheating at games or general douchebaggery. Obviously a new weapon in the war against backups.
The fact that MS is apparently ready to bring the fight to a new level and opening a new can of worms is what is disturbing.
^^ its probably because they cant see on wich xbox forza 3 was played?
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27. October 2009 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by vister:
its probably because they cant see on wich xbox forza 3 was played?
Sure they can, how else would they ban consoles in the past?
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27. October 2009 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by MGHBox:
I had my Xbox flashed two weeks and played Forza 3 offline. I'm new to this world. What dose it mean if I run ABGX and the stealth check passed but verification failed? Can anyone help this MOD noob? Thanks.
The stealth check checks the stealth files and video partition to make sure that they're present and appear to match the game. If you check the option to "check for AnyDVD style game data corruption" then it'll check for that as well. If you're ripping your own games, that's all you need to know, because you know that the rip is from a proper retail source. If you download a game, it might be a preview/review copy. Some people speculate that certain versions of games are leaked in order to catch people out - there's no solid evidence for this, but it's possible. You don't know the source of the rip, which is why verification is important as you haven't ripped the game yourself.
Verification checks that the stealth files, video partition and game CRC match up with the same things taken from a proper retail copy of the game and uploaded to the abgx360 database. If a game passes the stealth check and verification, you can be as sure as you can be (outside of ripping your own retail discs) that the game is OK to play.
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Aiur
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27. October 2009 @ 15:43 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by Aiur:
Originally posted by qwert99:
The retail game is wave 3. People were banned based on playing early.
That's sort of more disturbing than the alternative, because it means that MS is definitely stepping up their banning efforts to levels they haven't bothered with before.
I don't think it's disturbing at all. If you play a game 3 weeks+ in advance, it is fairly obvious to think you will get caught. You'll probably see the same thing happen with retards who played Guitar Hero: Van Halen already. If I get a game really early, I usually wait 3-5 days before release to play it. I made an exception for Forza 3 because of the bannings, so I started playing it yesterday.
Also, I know someone who got banned for playing Forza early. His GT got banned, but not his console. He made a new GT and was playing Forza again the next day.
The point isn't whether or not it's smart to play games early. It isn't for the same reason you stated, and especially for the fact that games cannot be verified before release.
The reason it is disturbing is because it means that MS is stepping up their efforts to ban people in general. Sure, it is a dumb decision to play a game online 3 weeks early. However, in the past that has not necessarily meant a ban as long as the backup was legit.
In addition, this is the first time that I am aware of MS ever banning gamertags for anything but cheating at games or general douchebaggery. Obviously a new weapon in the war against backups.
The fact that MS is apparently ready to bring the fight to a new level and opening a new can of worms is what is disturbing.
I'll start to think MS has a clue when my cousin gets banned. He never checks his games with abgx, he plays games sometimes a month before release, and he patches wave 3 games so he can play them (he still has ix 1.50).
Again, to me, this is not disturbing in the least. The only way I would find this slightly disturbing is if MS themselves put out the torrent 3+ weeks in advance to bait people into playing the game early.
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qwert99
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27. October 2009 @ 18:49 |
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Bans don't happen one at a time 99% of the time, they happen in waves. Huge groups of people banned at once.
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Aiur
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27. October 2009 @ 21:15 |
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I know. My cousin has had his system flashed for over a year now, and he's been using the same routine since he started.
If MS really thought the whole pirating issue was crippling to their business, they would put out a torrent of a big name game once it goes gold, so that way they know that it has not been leaked from a store and they can keep track of review copies.
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SYMBYAX
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27. October 2009 @ 21:48 |
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So if MS would put out a bait copy like people say and you wait till the release date and it runs through AGBX all green and verified is there still a chance they will cathc you ? And what happens when you get banned I'm new at XBL with stealth games sorry foe the noobish question.
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27. October 2009 @ 22:21 |
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Originally posted by SYMBYAX:
So if MS would put out a bait copy like people say and you wait till the release date and it runs through AGBX all green and verified is there still a chance they will cathc you ?
There's no evidence that this has ever happened, but hypothetically, if they did put out a copy to catch people it would have to be different in some way to the general retail release to make it detectable, and therefore you shouldn't get all greens in abgx360. It would pass the stealth check, but it should fail verification as verification compares it to a proper retail rip, so those that don't wait for games to verify would get caught out, but like I said, there's no evidence that this has ever happened.
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And what happens when you get banned I'm new at XBL with stealth games sorry foe the noobish question.
There's 2 types of ban: -
If your console gets banned, then you can't use any online functions on that console at all (so no more Xbox Live), so it's only good as an offline box. If you buy a new console and attach your hard drive to it, you can carry on where you left off with the same gamertag (assuming your gamertag hasn't also been banned).
Sometimes they ban the gamertag and not the console. This happened with the recent Forza 3 bans. It means that you would have to create a new gamertag and start from scratch or carry on with the same gamertag but only use it offline. In some ways, this is more annoying than a console ban, because you lose your Live subscription, access to your online friends list etc.
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SYMBYAX
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27. October 2009 @ 23:05 |
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Thank for clearing that up man sounds good.I'll just stick to ABGX. One last question if un-stealthed games have been played on an xbox that was beign used offline only do you need to do something before you start playing online with stealth copies? Would MS know that the others were played offline and ban you ?
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qwert99
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28. October 2009 @ 11:18 |
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Originally posted by SYMBYAX:
Thank for clearing that up man sounds good.I'll just stick to ABGX. One last question if un-stealthed games have been played on an xbox that was beign used offline only do you need to do something before you start playing online with stealth copies? Would MS know that the others were played offline and ban you ?
If you have at any point played unstealthed games on your 360, you are potentially in danger of a ban, whether you played the game online or offline.
If you truly have never ever had the 360 connected to the internet since you've played unstealthed games, then you might be able to remedy the situation by clearing the system cache of all info before connecting. That is doubtful, however.
Sorry, I know it's not an answer you wanted to hear, but that's why it is so important to always use ABGX.
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